It was recently announced that FTTH will soon (finally) be available in my market. The provider coming to town offers rates up to 8g.

I’m upgrading from DSL at <100mbps - really exciting! However I will then face a bit of an issue.

I self host many services over my DSL, and use custom firmware on my router. My DSL modem is in a transparent bridging mode. I like the flexibility and customizability this setup provides.

The new service includes a WiFi 7 router, but that means I’ll also potentially be subject to all the weird things providers like to do, like adding backdoors, opening shared WiFi networks, force deploying different firmware, etc. Plus I won’t be running any kind of service on the router itself, which I do have today (transparent proxy etc). The router I have today is not going to enable me to touch the peak bandwidth available.

What’re the best options to upgrade LAN components so that I can support multi gig internal networking speeds, ensure my self hosted services all function normally, and I take advantage of the bandwidth the ISP upgrade offers? In your personal opinion, is it worth it to invest in upgraded lan components?

Anyone have experience converting from 1G LAN to 2.5 or even 10?

Do I really need 8G FTTH, of course not, but if I ever wanted to get the max out of it, what does that take?

  • Xanza@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    The new service includes a WiFi 7 router

    I don’t recommend it.

    I would shoot for a 4 port 2.5Gbe unmanaged switch with 2 SFP+ ports (6 total ports) for 10G networking. 2.5Gbe is going to be more than enough for any WiFi solution you choose with room to upgrade 10G to WiFi if you wanted to spend a bit more on a higher tier WiFi router still leaving a single SFP+ port for 10G networking from your PC.

    Biggest hit for your buck. Gonna set you back $40-50.

    but if I ever wanted to get the max out of it, what does that take?

    Kind of a lot. At least a top to bottom upgrade, from modem (PON), to 10G networking, to new Ethernet cables, to new 10G network drivers. Looking at a few hundred if you do it right. I also had Optimum’s 8Gbps internet and was never able to even get anywhere near advertised speeds due to network saturation. IMO, the upgrade right now is too expensive to justify the expense for what you get. If you were confident you would be able to max out the connection, that would be a different story. But ultimately it’s gonna be up to you. If you don’t mind dropping a few hundred on upgrades, then go nuts.

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    Here’s my opinion:

    • get 1G WAN - it’s a huge upgrade, and you probably won’t notice going much faster unless you’re downloading/uploading a lot of stuff over the internet; it’s probably substantially cheaper
    • consider 2.5G LAN, if it’s not much more expensive than 1G - fast transfers over your LAN are much more likely to be noticed than transfers over the internet
    • put in CAT 6 cables at least, since that’s capable of 10G in case you decide you want it; it’s not much more expensive than 5E (1G capable), and then you won’t need to redo it later; or better yet, run fiber everywhere, though that’s more of a pain

    Then upgrade anything that’s <1G on your LAN, and leave the rest as-is until you actually need it. Chances are, you won’t, and it’s not worth spending the money. Prices for 2.5G and 10G (and higher) will eventually come down, so put it off until you actually need it and you’ll probably save money in the long run.

    In terms of what It takes, I think others gave good insight. Here’s my basic summary:

    • expensive router and switch - copper can do 8G, but you’d probably want fiber if there’s a chance your ISP will offer upgrades
    • start converting to SFP+, since that’s likely what you’ll want when upgrading things in the long run
    • some kind of mesh WiFi network - higher bitrates tend to be at higher frequencies, which have poor penetration; starting out w/ a mesh means it’ll be easier to swap out APs as you increase bitrates/solve signal issues in various rooms
    • run lots of cable - the best mesh is one that’s backed by cable

    It’s going to be expensive supporting anything over 2.5G in an entire network. Honestly, 1G is probably fine, and you can upgrade things more incrementally as you decide to improve speeds between endpoints (big ones are anything that handles high bitrate video).

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    2 months ago

    Does the new ISP require use of their router or just offer it as an option?

    AT&T used to require using their router, which was a pile of hot garbage. I have a Mikrotik Router and managed to mostly cut the AT&T router out but I had to configure my router to use the AT&T router for authentication, at which point the Mikrotik would take over. It was complicated to configure but it worked.

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      At this stage I don’t know - but they seem to describe a setup where they are essentially providing a WiFi 7 router as an access point, which connects to another piece of hardware acting as the gateway

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        If they don’t say it’s required, assume it’s not and ask them for details to run your own. IMO, you’ll be happier if you can control exactly what you’re running.

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    2 months ago

    Anyone have experience converting from 1G LAN to 2.5 or even 10?

    Going from 1 G to 2.5 G is fairly cheap these days. You can almost certainly use the same cabling, even when you’ve got only Cat.5e cabling. While you can do 10 G over copper, I wouldn’t suggest doing that, since it consumes quite a lot of power compared to both 1 G and 2.5 G. You’d need Cat.6E for reliable 10 G over copper.

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      2 months ago

      To be pedantic, there is no 6e. Just 6A. I am looking at a spool labelled 6e as I type this, but that’s just a manufacturer thing, not an actual spec.

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        Oops, you are correct of course, 6A is what I meant, plain 6 should work fine also most of the time, but there is pretty much no point going for that, unless you have that deployed already.

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          Cat 6 should be fine for 10gbit, you only really need 6A if you’re running near power mains or something with a lot of noise.

          Just don’t put Cat 5e in new installs and you’ll be fine.