Chinese technology companies are paving the way for a world that will be powered by electric motors rather than gas-guzzling engines. It is a decisively 21st-century approach not just to solve its own energy problems, but also to sell batteries and other electric products to everyone else. Canada is its newest buyer of EVs; in a rebuke of Mr. Trump, its prime minister, Mark Carney, lowered tariffs on the cars as part of a new trade deal.
Though Americans have been slow to embrace electric vehicles, Chinese households have learned to love them. In 2025, 54 percent of new cars sold in China were either battery-powered or plug-in hybrids. That is a big reason that the country’s oil consumption is on track to peak in 2027, according to forecasts from the International Energy Agency. And Chinese E.V makers are setting records — whether it’s BYD’s sales (besting Tesla by battery-powered vehicles sold for the first time last year) or Xiaomi’s speed (its cars are setting records at major racetracks like Nürburgring in Germany).
Yes, China has very purposefully put itself at the forefront of the first technological revolution of the 21st century and done this at multiple levels (solar panel production, battery tech, EVs)
Meanwhile the American elites have decided that 19th century technology is were they want to be. Well, that and dead ending killing the country’s lead in the Tech revolution by going down a branch with no future in the form of LLMs and making everybody lose trust in keeping their data in anything owned by American companies.
And, of course, the crooked politicians here in Europe are actually following America more than China in this.
And, of course, the crooked politicians here in Europe are actually following America more than China in this.
That is much less the case then it might appear. Out of the Top10 largest EV makers three are European(Volkswagen, BMW and Stellantis). When you look at wind, Europe has a few of the largest companies in the world. Europe is also basically the only place even attempting to compete with China in batteries, since Trump cut US support for that industry. There are plenty of more niche industries as well, in which Europe has some very strong companies.
It is a lot more complex than “Europe is actually following America more than China in this”.
Europe have very limited lithium deposits compared to China. Europe is trying to be as self sustaining as possible, especially now that the US have shown themselves to be a highly unreliable partner.
So exchanging one dependency for another is a poor lateral move at best.
You can’t just start digging up the entire ground and make car batteries out of all lithium you find.
European universities all over are researching alternative battery technology that doesn’t rely as much on lithium.
None of that is true. There is lithium everywhere, Germany just found 45 million tonnes of it. People have been digging up the entire ground for oil for 200 years.
You can research all you want, but the periodic table is not changing, and Chinese R&D is decades ahead of the West.
Yeah, they just found it late last year. And still working out how they should bring it up. They’ve made estimates on the amount, i’m not qualified to verify their estimates.
If they can actually bring it up we have security in the materials required to make the research worth it.
But no, we have not dug up all of the ground to get oil. Oil is a lot more liquid than lithium ore. We can pump up the oil without having to excavate the entire surrounding area.
I’m not saying that to defend oil. But the funny part about it is that if they had dug up all of the ground to get it, they would have found their lithium deposits sooner. Because they found it in an oil-field.
You can research all you want, but the periodic table is not changing, and Chinese R&D is decades ahead of the West.
What does that even mean? Do you have any idea how long ago it was since we found the last naturally occurring element? Should we have just stoped all research I the early 1900’s because “the periodic table is not changing”. Dumbest shit I’ve heard all years. And yes, I did hear about Trumps email to Norway. You still win.
Adding to your comment: Lithium brines are extracted through drilled wells, it’s not always ore.
Thank you. I didn’t know that.
You can research all you want, but the periodic table is not changing, and Chinese R&D is decades ahead of the West.
Yeah, well, there’s no Oil in Europe either, so ICE cars are even worse for a self-sustaining Europe (at least Lithum is only consumed once for an EV car, whilst Oil is consumed all the time for ICE cars)
If Europe can constantly source Oil from abroad to keep ICE cars going, I’m sure it can also source (a far lower quantity of) Lithium from abroad to make cars that can then run on electric power produced right here in Europe.
Your entire “argument” is one big cherry picked excuse.
there’s no Oil in Europe either
Confused European noises
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/crude-oil-production?continent=europe
Yeah, well, there’s no Oil in Europe either,
C’mon. I’m a dumb American, but even I know without looking it up about Norway’s vast petroleum production as well as the North Sea petroleum platforms off the coast of Scotland.
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Well informed people knew that it wasn’t safe already for quite a while.
Most people did not, most companies did not, most public institutions either did not or could make believed they did not.
That’s changing (as are lots of other things) because Trump is being far more loud about how Europe is an adversary of America than previous administrations (it was too for Democrats, though only on business and trade terms)
There was quite a lot of fighting against treating America as a safe haven for the data of Europeans from people in the know in Tech and IT Security in Europe but we lost, but now crooked politicians can’t make believe America or American companies are safe for the data of Europeans anymore.
I wonder if the prediction that China will hit peak oil in 2027 will come true. This will have a massive impact on oil markets.
You reckon they will just promise Trump to buy lots of oil but then do nothing like their soybean promise?
I don’t think they’ll bother, they get oil from the russians at a massive discount relative to world markets.
Oil companies will probably go the way of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, going broke. They’re continuing to invest heavily in oil infrastructure at a time when the market is shifting and even now there is a flattening of demand for oil products where EVs are becoming prevalent. The trend will start to hit profitability and they will most likely double down.
Oil companies are not that dimwitted.
They’re already investing in electric products and there’s more to oil than just car fuel.
They’re just not in a hurry but don’t think BP can’t easily put electric chargers in all their gas stations in a pinch if they want to.Not enough demand yet (nor real pressure, a.k.a. governments or other entities massively enlarging grid offers), so they’re just coasting.
go the way of the Encyclopaedia Britannica,
Still quoted by facists who pretend it’s a better source than Wikipedia?
He’s a corrupt moron.
Beyond EVs, the much cheaper sodium-ion battery is entering mass production in China. We can already buy B-grade cells on AliExpress. This will have implications for all sorts of use cases that could use batteries but don’t due to cost.
much cheaper sodium-ion battery
To my understanding, these aren’t suitable for many use cases we associate with batteries (smartphones, EVs, laptops), but it has the potential to have a massive impact on utility scale battery systems and industrial use cases.
Yeah they can’t match top of the line Li-Ion like lithium-cobalt batteries. Neither can LFP, but LFP is good enough for lower range EVs cars as they’re already used in such. Sodium ion has even lower density than LFP but not dramatically so and it’s still early days so their density is likely to improve. Look at these two cells currently on sale:
The first one is a CATL LFP. The second is some smaller manufacturer’s sodium ion. The 729Whr vs 713Whr, 1944cm³ vs 2593cm³. If the sodium ones can be made cheap enough, these are already usable in low range vehicles like Nissan Leaf or equivalent. And then there’s buses, trucks, other ICE powered equipment.
Yeah, conservatives don’t think of the future except through the lens of the present. They can’t imagine a world with EVs and batteries because they have oil brains. They are looking for solutions to problems with an oil first mindset. Sunk cost is everything.
Need to remember where they are getting paid from as well. That’s oil money lining their pockets.
It’s not conservatives, it’s money and power.
it’s not money and power because both are on the side of renewable energy: money already today and power in the future
Coal Brittain -> Petro Murica -> Electro China.
It’s funny how China said years ago that was the plan and they’re doing it while nobody stopped them because of short term greed.
nobody stopped them
What would “stopping them” have even looked like?
Facing reality and evaluating technologies through the crucial era of the 2010s with an eye on efficiency and pollutant reduction in the overall energy sector. From there, having the empirical justifications to your nation that focusing on energy storage and further electrification would be more beneficial than fossil fuels.
Rather than doubling down on the existing status quo due to lobbying and sunk cost beliefs from prior consumption rates.
Sure. But that doesn’t change China’s economic growth path. You aren’t changing their behavior
Oh, certainly. However, if enough nations had their heads out of their asses and spoke with engineers rather than oil tycoons, we’d have a more competitive and distributed market for these technologies and a lower future dependence on Chinese imports for said technologies.
Right now, I can see a chokehold forming on that sector, and it’s a completely self-inflicted circumstance for those deadset on oil.
we’d have a more competitive and distributed market for these technologies and a lower future dependence on Chinese imports for said technologies.
I don’t see a future where at least one of the two largest populations of educated professionals doesn’t lead the way on electric vehicles. And that really only leaves you with China or India.
You might have a broader distribution or more regionalized production. But there’s no world in which a country with the manufacturing capacity plus the enormous population advantage doesn’t come out on top eventually.
Right now, I can see a chokehold forming on that sector
I don’t see a chokehold on EVs any more than Taiwan has a chokehold on CPUs.
There’s a building comparative advantage, but the global market is enormous. Plenty of room to catch up.
That’s why China has ten competitive major brands right now
Regarding EVs I agree with you, but I was referring to sodium/solid state battery production.
As for Chinese production leading the charge, I also think that’s apt, but I’m referring to the availability of domestic alternatives for things such as military production, which seems to only being kickstarted recently compared to say the 2010s. Currently, it seems like compromises will have to be made in order to minimize reliance on imported batteries from China, which is not necessarily a problem for the consumer market, but may be for governments seeking isolationist policies for their self-sufficiency (EU, US).
There is still plenty of time for things to change of course, but there are plenty of missed opportunities along the way.
Competing. No one really even tried.
Yeah, it means giving up the current cash cow and they’ll only do that when it’s visibly dying. And then the competition has too much of a headed start so it’s already to late.
Tesla is definitely “trying” by number of units produced. Volkswagen is also taking EVs very seriously, at least by current and projected manufacturing numbers.
Lol Volkswagen, the company that actively rigged diesel cars to pass the tests… ? Dieselgate. The German car manufacturers are hopelessly late at EV because they wanted to drain every last penny out of their ICE. The EU setback to extend ICE is after German car manufacturers lobbied… They are killing themselves in the long run, for bit more production in the short run. They saw this all coming decades ago and made wrong choices. Now they’re fucked. The Volkswagen id (EV) sales numbers are so disappointing they had to lower production and make employees stay home.
Lol Volkswagen, the company that actively rigged diesel cars to pass the tests… ?
That’s the one. They’re run by absolute pieces of corporate shit, but they do still seem to recognize the market driven writing on the wall.
The German car manufacturers are hopelessly late at EV because they wanted to drain every last penny out of their ICE.
The pool in Europe is a lot shallower, especially in the wake of the Russia/Ukraine war. They don’t have the same access to cheap fossil fuels that the US enjoys, so they’re being forced to pivot to EVs entirely due to their regional limitations. They’re also competing internationally in a market with a growing Global South demand. Many of these countries are undergoing electrification far faster than they’re seeing a petrochemical expansion, in no small part thanks to the high installation costs of pipelines and processing plants relative to electric grids and renewables generation.
The Volkswagen id (EV) sales numbers are so disappointing they had to lower production and make employees stay home.
The entire EU economy has stalled out with the war. But they’ve seen a double-digit upswing in EV sales in Latin America, Africa, and the Pacific Rim.
Europe just did a 180 on the commitment for no ICE cars to be sold from 2035 onwards under pressure of just a handful of big automakers.
And when I say Europe, I actually mean crooked European politicians rather than the public in general.
I mean, even if one puts the aside the whole strategical point of Europe delaying even more commiting to the first big tech revolution of the 21st century so that a handful of large automakers make a little bit more profit, there are actually lives as stake: fumes for diesel cars are estimated to kill more than 10,000 people a year in Europe.
Corruption in politics is both killing people and fucking up our future prosperity.
I personally know people who cheered for the extension of ICE cars to be sold, so it’s not only “crooked politicians”, this is an actual sentiment among people.
Here in the US, the reasons people generally cheer for ICE vehicles boil down to how expensive EVs are here. Legacy manufacturers sell them only in premium trims and dealers tack on excessive profit to help discourage them - they truly are not affordable here.
They don’t seem to understand this is a choice by legacy manufacturers, combined with protectionism bought by those same manufacturers.
I suppose there’s a range concern but I don’t see how that has any validity. As people have more direct experience, that should mostly disappear. While there are never enough chargers, most of the population has high speed charging convenient to them and most homeowners can charge at home.
In my experience, how many people think like that really depends on the country of Europe: my own native Portugal is far more shit when it comes to Environmentalism in general - especially around cars as the country has a very 1980s mindset on them and a car is still seen as symbol of status - whilst for example The Netherlands is almost the the opposite.
Cheney had an international oil/security conglomerate they keep renaming. uh, uh, haliburton. had to look it up. gravy train is moving out.
Halliburton hasn’t ever changed their name as far as I know. Are you thinking of Blackwater/XE Services/Academi/Constellis?
Our Danish company Ørsted which produces wind power, has been in a huge legal dispute with the American administration for months over this. He wants oil, even if wind is cheaper:
He wants oil even if the wind is cheaper, the wind farm is almost finished and already producing power
Yeah because it’s not so much “he wants” as “oil and gas corporations are paying him for”.
I’m not sure how true that is. For example, Exxon don’t want to go back into Venezuela.
Batteries, yes. Chinese? Not necessarily for long.
I don’t know if he’s obsessed by oil. So far when a president invaded a country because of it’s oil, it always went with a cover story to justify it. Now the (cover) story provided by Trump is oil, so it may be possible it was all just to get the Nobel prize. As trinkets are all he cares about. Now it looks like he wants what I want when playing hearts of iron: make all the continent mine.
Why make up a conspiracy when they’re telling you to your face what they’re doing? Trump literally read outloud a note passed to him in a meeting, he has no filter left and he’s never been subtle.
Ya’ll please just deal with the issues in front of you. There’s no secret motivation that will change and then make the problem go away, the problem is just what it is and needs to be dealt with.
Does it matter? He invaded a country illegally and kidnapped it’s leader. Whether his motivation is oil or the Nobel peace pride, it doesn’t change the fact he’s a war criminal, on top of being a pedophile, rapist, white collar criminal and probably much more.
You brought it up! Unless you’re going through a multiple personality disorder thing the guy I replied to is you talking about his reasons.
Thank you the diagnosis, random guy on the internet. Clearly you never heard of the concept “humor”. Maybe find a thesaurus, work your way through it. Cheers.
That’s not humour and you’re just embarrassed for being called out.
Making fun of Trump isn’t humor? Are you MAGA?
That’s not really what you did and not what I was talking about? Like at all? Brother, your low literacy level ain’t gunna be my problem, go figure that out on your own time.
His best before has already expired, one foot is in the grave, old age takes its toll, why do you think he would care about anything other than himself at this point in his life?
It is the party, they are coming out of the(ir nazi) closet and holding his hand to betray his america first promises and use the unchallenged power of the military for the benefit of their rich and connected.
We get the bill. And if we are dumb enough a feeling of pride being the most capable of killing people for the benefit of the same rich stealing our lunch.
The president does not know what is going on. Big fella really went downhill the last 5 years, he is running on autoprick.
China isn’t set to rule the world, they’re set up for collapse, be it in 10 years or 100. It’s just another cruel dictatorship in a long line.
I hate Trump, but I hate Xi Jinping with an equal fervor, they’re two of the same.
I hate Trump, but I hate Xi Jinping with an equal fervor
Is this your equivalent to magats posting “TDS”
Version 2.0 uses memes
There’s definitely an element of reflexive “China Bad!” in these predictions of imminent collapse. But I do feel like I’m talking to a KHiver doing the High Hopes dance in late October 2024.
The irrationality of the China Hawks feels endless. This country is simultaneously about the launch a Third World War on every regional neighbor and mere weeks away from complete societal implosion. It’s always on the verge of some kind of cataclysm that will Change Everything.
The sentiment seems to parallel people predicting the end of the AI bubble, people predicting that Trump will keel over and die from Oldtimers in the next few days, and people insisting they’re holding a winning lottery ticket two days before the drawing. Just total divorce from material conditions.
You think the USA is going to start WWIII? Bro, look around, China and Russia keep invading and occupying nearby nations. If it’s happening then it was already started by them.
You know what the best evidence is for “China Bad”? They promoted and endorsed Donald Trump, even utilized their TikTok psyops for his reelection.
You think the USA is going to start WWIII?
Greenland does. Venezuela does. Iran does.
You know what the best evidence is for “China Bad”? They promoted and endorsed Donald Trump
Honestly, where do you even get this shit? The people who promoted Donald Trump were Americans. And they’d been promoting him since the 1970s. Nobody in China gave a shit about Trump until January 6th, 2017.
Yeah China is like the Soviet Union.
My grandparents had to hold their noses and be allies with the Soviet Union for a while.
But unlike the Soviet Union which was way behind the West in technology, China is ahead of us on EVs and we will have to catch up. But before worrying about that, we gotta take down the US.
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I hope this is satire, but this being Threadi I have my doubts.
Doesn’t it bother you that you’re wrong all the time? Don’t you think that after 15 failed “China is LITERALLY COLLAPSING RIGHT NOW” predictions you ought to think about whether your source of information (the CIA) is flawed?
Does it ever occur to you that to a neutral observer you appear identical to a doomsday cult leader on his latest “Um, well, I guess I was wrong, but the world really is ending next month” pivot?
Right, so because I don’t believe the following:
China is a democracy with 9 political parties … You’re allowed to criticize the government … [GIA conspiracy gibberish]
This makes me a “doomsday cult leader”.
Sure, thing! ;)
I mean denying those things just makes you equivalent to a flat earther. What makes you a doomsday cult leader is being on board with the “China is collapsing!!!” nonsense even though we’re on the 100th failed prediction already.
I know the reading comprehension skills of flat earthers and doomsday cultists tend to be stunted so I’m being patient with you.
Of course, of course!
You’re not at all engaging in demagoguery and trying cheaps tricks (no one can read the thread OP what it says specifically)! So what kind of discussion can there be about no one buying into your narrative, right?
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Have you ever lived in a non-Western country? Or are you parroting some random copytext you saw online?
This has gotta be framed, its beautiful.
I’d sooner buy a Chinese EV than a Tesla, but the orange gameshow host running my country says I can’t.
Because Biden said you could? He’s the one that doubled tariffs on Chinese EVs from 50% to 100%. Biden also gave the EV tax credit which was essentially a subsidy to Tesla, which Trump ended.
Note that I’m not defending Trump, but simply noting that the US was heading in his direction. He’s a symptom of advanced disease, but you don’t get to blame him all the shitty things all US presidents ever did. He’s a raging tumor, but the cancer was spreading already.
Because Biden said you could? He’s the one that doubled tariffs on Chinese EVs from 50% to 100%. Biden also gave the EV tax credit which was essentially a subsidy to Tesla, which Trump ended.
I don’t fault Biden for adding a tariff on Chinese EVs to temporarily protect the American auto manufacturing envornment. We just have too many jobs tied to the domestic production of cars. The immediate loss of those jobs would plunge the USA into deep recession. It looked like this was working too with many American companies adapting and coming out with EVs.
However, most of those American EVs have been scaled back or canceled. Further, with the exception of the Chevy Bolt no domestic maker produced an affordable EV. Since American companies decided they don’t want to play in EVs anymore, I fully support removing the tariff and letting Chinese EVs into the USA. It looks like that will be the only thing that will force American car companies to compete. This situation closely mirrors the 1970s where Japan introduced small, reliable, fuel efficent cars, and affordable cars at a time when gasoline was crazy expensive.
It looks like this time around it will be the Chinese that teach the American auto market to adapt instead.
Yeah, I liked Jim Crow Joe even less than orange gameshow host. Some of his policies had direct negative effects on my life. Then the election came around and the democrats decided we don’t get a primary at all this time, so we ended up with a choice between an ignorant gameshow host who somehow fancies himself an independent thinker and a cackling hen who puts on no such airs, both of whom are completely loyal to the international billionaire cabal.
You’re absolutely right. Trump is a lightning rod for rage, but most of what the US is doing is bipartisan. It’s a huge problem that so many people harbor false hope for the controlled opposition.
the controlled opposition.
The strongly worded letters opposition?
That’s a joke, right?People downvoting facts simply because they contradict their own stated position tells so much. They want cheap Chinese EVs but can’t accept that what they defended as protecting American companies (Biden’s tariffs) and making EVs more affordable for Americans (Biden’s EV tax credit) are the reasons they can’t have cheap Chinese EVs.
Instead of reflecting on the progranda they’ve been consuming, they downvote and move on to repeat the same nonsense later. I’m relieved they didn’t call me a tankie Russian bot this time for suggesting Biden wasn’t an angel.
JFC…are people this dumb? The first taste is free buddy, these TEMU EVs are being sold below cost just to attack US industry. BYD has a $38B debt propped up by the Chinese government.
You geniuses forgot about the Biden investment in US battery plants.
Wrong, they are selling cheap to dismount Mercedes, Porsche and BMW in Europe, and it’s working. Once they dump on those 3 companies they will raise the prices to be profitable, but Europe will already have no options. Just wait and see. Chinese EVs are all over Germany now, and it’s only going to increase.
You’re mixing a few real dynamics with a lot of propaganda framing.
Yes, China uses industrial policy and subsidized credit, and yes, firms can price aggressively to gain market share. But pretending the U.S. is some pure “market” victim is absurd when it literally did the same thing via public-credit industrial policy. The Biden-era battery buildout you cite is a perfect example: the public underwrites corporate risk, and when demand softens the companies pause projects, restructure deals, and keep the upside private. Ford/SK On’s “big national strategy” became delays, a JV breakup, and loan restructuring; Stellantis/Samsung is ramping cautiously amid volatility. That isn’t “saving U.S. industry,” it’s socializing risk and then calling it patriotism.
Also, “TEMU EVs” is just culture-war branding. The issue isn’t that consumers are “dumb,” it’s that working people are getting squeezed, and cheaper cars matter when wages lag and housing/healthcare eat the paycheck. If you want to defend tariffs or targeted restrictions, make the case honestly on labor, climate, and supply-chain resilience, not xenophobic moral panic.
And the funniest part is you invoke BYD debt like it’s uniquely scandalous while ignoring the mountain of subsidies, tax abatements, and cheap financing that props up U.S. automakers and battery JVs. If you’re worried about state-backed capital distorting markets, congratulations: you’re arguing against capitalism as it actually exists, not for it.
If we’re going to spend public money on industrial capacity, attach enforceable labor standards, community guarantees, and public equity or governance rights. Otherwise it’s a corporate welfare program with a flag taped to it.
I just read an article stating that Ford lost 36k on every EV they sold in 2023… In a market where they had government protection from Chinese EVs.
I just read an article stating that Ford lost 36k on every EV they sold in 2023…
Ford, and other American auto makers, were asleep at the wheel when EVs were starting to take off. Ford and GM doubled down on selling pickups and big SUVs which had good margins. Instead of investing in R&D to make a solid product they were caught unprepared and had to throw everything at the wall to see what stuck with their first EVs. Yes, they were able to bring them to market fairly quickly (good), but at the cost of efficient of the product and the production method.
This means for every EV they make, they do it expensively where they wouldn’t need to if they improved their designs and production methods.
Well this is Lemmy, not reddit. We’re all tankies here.
Yeah, people responding to my original comment assume I’d prefer Jim Crow Joe. Trump has a more abrasive personality that a lot of people love to hate, but obviously they’re both geriatric puppets to distract everyone while the billionaire cabal continues business as usual. Trump is primarily an entertainer and is certainly the more engaging distraction.
Because the US is a corporatocracy. Red or Blue, corporate donors win.
That is a very fair statement.
Agreed. Not sure what those downvotes are for. I saw this coming 20 years ago. Especially with lobbying as out of control as it has been. If Trump dropped dead now, we’d still have a catastrophe.
Biden increased tariffs…AND invested heavily in battery plants in the US. Trump killed that. Biden’s tariffs were because the Chinese government is dumping in the US to undermine the car industry.
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US is the same as China now. Well that’s not true, US foreign policy is way more batshit insane than China’s. If you can even call it a foreign policy… it seems to me it’s just the whims of a deranged old child molester surrounded by fucking Nazis.
And China is further away and there’s pretty much zero probability China will invade my country. With the US, who knows? Kinda stupid to send money to a country I may have to be fighting against within a year.
there’s pretty much zero probability China will invade my country.
Boots on the ground invasion? Sure, not likely.
But that’s because China long ago realized the wars to be fought in the 21st century are economic… and they’re way ahead.Whenever I hear news of China, they built a new electric railway, invented something new, or made massive tech progress.
Whenever I hear of USA on the other hand…
…they are still following the philosoohy of the people who explicitly said they want the human race extinct.
Trump is following in china’s footsteps. His longterm plan will fail because he is not authoritarian enough to retain power. If the CCP were in his shoes they’d have murdered millions of americans to ideologically cleanse the country.
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Using photo-generating AI has become a mixed bag for me.
yeah this is a great example of him not being authorization enough to follow in ccp footsteps. For this to be a proper comparison it would have to be ice murdering 1000s of unarmed protestors not 1.
Many Chinese EVs are made by Tesla
You’re right. They call them ‘Teslas’ if I remember correctly.
I assume you’re referring to the fact that Tesla has a Shanghai factory and is exporting Teslas made there to Canada.
I’m guessing so too as I read (albeit I don’t recall where so could have been an unreliable source) that its the other way around - Tesla utilise BYD for some of their cars destined for the Chinese market
I can hold out on not buying a new car a hell of a lot longer than the American economy can survive under a tariff regime.
The market can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent - John Maynard Keynes
I want a fucking Huawei P70. The 10x camera on that thing can practically take stabilized macro photos from a 5 m distance. But Ursula says Orange Man will spank her if she allows competition to Apple and Google.
I wouldn’t buy that even if it wasn’t banned, locked bootloader and spyware preinstalled at all levels
One is an energy and material source. The other is neither and is simply storage.
Why would you compare them?
Because batteries are a point of tension in the adoption of some electricity-centric techs. Electricity production can be done in many different ways already (unless you suddenly decide to 100x the demand for shit and giggles), but a lot of applications requires batteries, which makes them some sort of choke point for adoption. Making them better, more accessible, cheaper, more friendly on the environment ease that.
The comparison is also on one end of the world focusing on the dying down side of things, while the other end is (allegedly) looking forward.
That’s why they’re compared.
That’s nice. Now run a modern civilization of 10 billion (upcoming) with only electricity.
Yeah? That’s kinda the plan? Do you see a particular problem with a mostly renewable (to the scale of our species’ lifetime) source of energy, that can be implemented in various way to accommodate different situations, locations, and use, while trying to make things more efficient?
Because I don’t.
