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China needs unions.
That have one. It’s called the CCP.
Hey, how come you didn’t get the snide arrogant insults for saying the same thing I did? I’m jealous! ;-)
“But China is a communist utopia!!! It’s a dictatorship of the proletariat! Any criticism of the CCP is western propaganda!!!”
-tankies
My least favourite argument is them pointing to the reduction in poverty.
Like, I could say the same for capitalism. Which I won’t because capitalism needs to be abolished, but just “there was a massive reduction in poverty therefore system good” is stupid.
Tankies aren’t socialists in my eyes because socialism necessarily needs to be democratic control by the people.
Oh I’m sure that’ll go perfectly well in China!
Maybe ask some students on how well that went when they protested on some big square there…
I’m aware. I still think they’re the country most in need of labor unions.
Oh, you were serious! Well, I think what they need is Democracy first, then unions. Communism theoretically eliminates the need for unions, but the reality is that it’s just a dictatorship. Unions in China would likely either be co-opted by the Communist party through subterfuge, or through “reeducating” the misguided leadership and defining the unions - thus landing them right where they are, with a new bureaucracy.
Unions represent the spirit of the checks and balances envisioned in the U.S. Constitution. It is only by being of near equal power to the company that employees can negotiate for fair compensation and treatment. Without that, they’re just resources. It’s an effort to use human nature to gain good outcomes.
They were manipulated by CIA plants that were murdering Chinese army soldiers. So. There’s that part of the story that caused the states response.
Username checks out.
Tankies will always find any excuse to say China can do no wrong, and if they do it’s the west’s fault…
“We had to massacre those protesters, you see. The US was targeting our military assets! It’s their fault.” Golly.
I mean. If labor unions killed people. Like they did during some of the coal mine riots. It gives the police and at times military freedoms to retaliate.
I grew up where the sheriff of my county killed 25 people in a single day before miner unions were allowed to exist.
Look up the Williamsport Mine Field Riots. They treated these people like animals. Just like the CCP treats their lower workers.
I’m not a tankie. I just know what happened on the ground that led up to the violence. I was in a masters program for counter terror.
Maybe I misunderstood your original comment. It seemed like you were saying that it was okay for the CCP to massacre protestors because the protestors were manipulated by CIA plants.
If that’s not what you were saying, then I was mistaken. If it was, then I don’t know how anything you just said is supposed to change my opinion…
Tbf they did protest against the so-called “zero covid” policy and the government sort of gave in.
Was that before or after they welded a bunch of apartment complex doors closed?
You know the answer already, but for those that don’t: after.
People in China really need to do what their anthem says:
起来，不愿做奴隶的人们 (Arise, those who refuse to be slaves)
Didn’t you hear? China’s been one gigantic people’s union since 1949. That’s the whole point of Communism. As you can see, it’s working swimmingly well.
Tell me you don’t know what communism is and can’t recognise a dictatorship under the guise of communism without telling me you don’t know what communism is.
I imagine that you’re from the US? If so, it’s understandable. Dr. Strangelove was what opened my eyes to how demonised it is and how misguided people in the US are to its true ideology and meaning.
The USSR, where the gov controlled most of the means of production, is the antithesis of communism.
Sarcasm. The comment you replied to was being facetious. Obviously things are not going swimmingly. Use your context clues.
Thank you for the assist. You are correct. I made the fatal assumption that most people discussing such things would have the context of Mao, the long march, the various purges, the decades of poverty, the suppression and outright murder of minorities under their belt and would recognize that the statement was so obviously false that it could only be taken as sarcasm. Unfortunately, I didn’t account for people having arrogance and a sense of other people being ignorant morons by default.
Yeah no, sounds more like a dig at communism, ya know, the usual rhetoric, hey, look at this dictatorship, as you can clearly see, communism doesn’t work
Yes. I simply found it somewhat ironic that someone would point out that a Communist nation would need unions given the definition of Communism. It was to me a Monty Python level of dry humor to suggest that, and I felt my response should match that dry humor.
Tiananmen square protests were (also) against introduction of capitalism to China, so… you know… (https://jacobin.com/2019/06/tiananmen-square-worker-organization-socialist-democracy)
I was implying nothing about any other type of societal organization. However, since you mention it, I will point out that Capitalism (which is an economic, not political philosophy) can become horrific for the same reasons Communism becomes horrific - People. Communism was a response to naked, mercantilist Capitalism. Marx’s heart was in the right place, but he was describing a Utopia.
I think Democracy (in its many forms) designed with checks and balances is a viable answer to the problem. It ain’t magic, though. People still need to ensure it remains balanced. We’ve been having some trouble with that lately. It took fifty years of planning for the authoritarians to get us here. It’s a good sign it was so difficult, but now we have to work hard to fix the mess.
Calling marx utopian lol
Yeah, you wish. Electoralism will always work in favour of the wealthy class. Even damn ancient Greeks knew that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition
TIL Sortition. Thanks. Your since you don’t believe in democracy, what form of governance do you feel is best?
Sortition.
Chinas communist party is as communist as trump is a democratic leader.
Or as our German „Christian party“ is christian…
Christianity: love thy neighbour German christianity party: the immigrants are ruining our cityscapes by their presence