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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking
The Israeli media has been full of overt calls for and endorsements of just outright genocide for over a year now.
At one point a prime time media show was ‘debating’ just fucking nuking Gaza.
Israeli social media has also been absolutely full of average people with genocidal rhetoric for over a year.
… They just say it in Hebrew, not English… most of the time.
This isn’t suprising to anyone who can use google translate, or read supplied English subtitles/captions.
This “issue” has unfortunately been in Israeli controlled media for much longer than a year. They’ve been indoctrined to hate Palestine since the forming of israel
Also, part 2:
Israelis tend to get really fucking triggered when you tell them about:
Israel was literally founded by terrorists who bombed and shot civillians in terror bombings… as in, they explicitly targetted civillians for the chaos factor… and they wrote about this in their own journals and memoirs and then went on to lead the government.
The entire USS Liberty incident, which was almost certainly Israel trying to false flag blow up an American ship during the 6 day war and blame it on the Egyptians, to get the US directly involved.
The Apollo Affair, wherein Israeli sympathizers/spies literally stole US nuclear fissile material from the US to aide in the production of their nuclear weapons (which basically every Western government officially, and society generally, denied they even had nukes untill about a year to 6 months ago).
The Samson Doctrine, Israel’s take on nuclear detterance… is more or less this:
If Israel feels like it is going to be nuked or completely invaded, they will nuke major cities in all countries within one to two thousand miles, ally, enemy, neutral, who cares, the logic is to throw as big of a shit fit as possible and declare that if they can’t have Israel, no one can have anything, and they’ll do all that themselves.
And finally, if you just tell them that Hasbara is a real thing that obviously exists and promotes publically that it will pay anyone who will draft themselves into being an online propaganda troll for Israel.
… Conversely, if anybody were to tell me about all the awful shit the US has done and is doing, I have a functioning moral compass and brain and can say, yep, that shit is/was fucking awful, unnaceptable, and in my ideal world, all those responsible would be in jail or tried as war criminals, in the ICJ for crimes against humanity, Luigi’d, etc.
They see us Palestinians so poorly, that they’d straight up rather KILL THEMSELVES than be captured.
When that story broke, or video footage emerged of … around a year ago now…
Of a ‘hostage rescue mission’… involving a fucking Merkava point blank firing a main cannon round into the building they believed the hostages and their captors were in, that was also in a large multi family apartment building, with tons of other civillians inside…
I fucking lost it.
Even from the perspective of US Rules of Engagement in Iraq War 2, which was… lets say highly insufficient at prioritizing noncombatant safety, at best…
That is fucking godamned insane nonsense. If a US tank crew had accidentally put a tank round into a densely occupied civillian apartment building, they would have been fucking court matrialled, or it would have been covered up and a decent scandal when it leaked out later.
To do this intentionally? In a hostage rescue mission? And every pro-Israel person either ignores it or is totally fine with it?
Just fucking insane, like parody super hero ‘oops, Homelander was gonna save everyone but he got angry or sneezed and lasered the airplane pilots’ fucking insane.
When that helicopter gun cam vid of blowing away suspected insurgents first aired in 04 on ABC, it caused a national debate.
In Israel, the last year or so, we get a video like that every other day, and then people stitch themselves into it making demeaning jokes.
Oh I know, its just been dialed up to fucking insane levels lately.
Oh yeah it’s gone wild, but at least that brings the issue up for people who are willing to be informed and change their view point on the matter (as rare as that may be these days).
It’s called zionism.
As a Native American my heart goes out to all Palestinians effected by these ignorant Zionist we must be better than this we can be better than this.
My understanding is that Israeli TV is hugely responsible for making this mainstream. Just like in Rwanda where radio played a huge role in the genocide.
It’s almost as if genocide scholars have been warning about a series of patterns over the last couple of years…
The genocidal ideology of zionism is their hegemonic narrative. It’s much bigger than just TV. It’s also the schools, politicians, cops/prisons, compulsory terrorism, etc. Genocide is the basis of their entire “society”.
I don’t think that’s fair, they do absolutely teach Zionism from a young age, but it’s not specifically genocide. Watched an interesting documentary recently about Jews in America and how they’re raised, it’s basically once you get pushed into the IDF THEN the genocide love starts being actively spread.
Serious question, how much of this has to do with hamas not releasing the hostages. I would imagine they’d be hearing and talking bout getting their people back constantly.
It’s hard to say. With or without hostages, October 7 was extremely traumatic; and came in the context of a population already primed to be suspicious of Palestinians. In particular, the West Bank ethnic cleansing was already well underway with the tacit support of the general population; as although for most people that support was more about apathy than proactive support. Looking at how the US lost its shit for decades after 9/11, it is clear that hostages are not necessary for that to happen. Israel has also to deal with follow up attacks, which has a way of keeping trauma fresh.
Regarding the role of the hostages in this case, the first thing to acknowledge is that the actual response by Israel has not prioritized the hostages. Critical members of Israel’s current governing coalition have threatened to leave over prior attempts at a hostage deal. This has lead a serious rift developing between the current government and many of the hostage families.
However, from a propaganda side, the hostages have been a major assesset to the current government (both internationally and domestically). Most people are simply not that engaged in politics. We have heard repeatedly from Israeli military leadership that there are no achievat military goals left in Gaza. However, it is hard for that message to break through when the other side can point to the hostages and say “freeing those people is our goal”. Nevermind the fact that everyone paying attention knows that military action is not an effective tool of hostage release [0] and almost all of the freed hostages have been freed as a result of diplomacy.
[0] It can be useful for leverage in negotiations; but Israel is well past the point needed for that.
Hamas should free the hostages. Frankly, they should have never taken non-combatant hostages in the first place. That was absolutely a crime.
Most of October 7 was a crime, even without the hostages. Taking the hostages was itself a crime, and continuing to hold them continues to be a crime.
The question of what Hamas “should” do is more complicated. Clearly following international law is not a priority for them, so that justification goes out the window.
In terms of actually advancing their interests, I don’t see much benefit to them. Their biggest asset in Israeli domestic politics are the hostages. The political pressure in Israel to free them is real, and the decision makers all know that a deal is the only way to meet that. Further, a not insignificant portion of the population oppose the war in it’s current form specifically because of the hostages. The only wins Hamas has gotten has been through hostage negotiations.
In exchange for giving all of that up, Hamas gets a slight benefit in the PR war. It is a very hard sell to say that is a good trade.
If you want Hamas to free the hostages, you need to get to a point where “Hamas should free the hostages” is true from the perspective of Hamas. Then, you can work on convincing them it is true. The good news is that Hamas is very amenable to the idea that releasing hostages is in their interest. That is the entire reason you take hostages: to get some benefit by releasing them.
I am using “should” in a moral sense, according to my own moral compass. I mean that according to my own morality they “should do the right thing”. Nothing beyond that.
That said, I agree with your analysis entirely.
Since the steps for Palestinian genocide started before Oct 7, and the IDF has been okay with killing their own hostages in high-yield strikes, not likely.
This just in: The country that has been doing ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians for 77 years is still okay with doing ethnic cleansing.
Shocking. Israel has successfully dehumanized the entire Palestinian population.
This was over a year ago:
“Israeli government accounts on the social media site X have been posting a video with a quote from a freed hostage, in which she says that “there are no innocent civilians” in Gaza.”
Absolutely disgusting. Our common ancestors are rolling over in their graves at their inhumanity.
Say it loud for those in the back, it’s not just the leaders.
I don’t judge the individual, but I sure as hell judge them as a group, who keep voting for people who are doing genocide.
Here’s the part where some numbnuts will stop to explain, “Not all Jews!” Yeah. We get that. But the Jewish state of Israel, which was founded as a safe haven for Jews, is genocidal as fuck. And who makes up 75% of the population of Israel? Could it be… Jews? Where do 50% of the Jews on the planet reside? Could it be Israel?
And for stating a few unarguable facts, I expect a ban. Maybe I could very sheepishly, on the down-low, suggest that only a radical, very tiny number of Jews are, perhaps, maybe partly, just a bit, guilty of genocide, or at least, are collaborators and supporters?
FFS, no one has the balls to say out loud, “Not a good look guys.” <-anti-Semitism
Sincerely:
GenXer who had always supported Israel and had less than zero beef with Jews.
Yeah, I think it’s less being Jewish and more that they are settlers. They are acting just like how Canadians, Australians and Afrikaners acted against the local indigenous population.
Anything that reminds them that they don’t belong to this land (in their assessment and minds, land does not belong to anyone) they hate that. Mostly the people who were there before them.
It’s not Jewishness, it’s just Assholeishness.
Israel is absolutely being genocidal here, but it has nothing to do with them being Jews. They want the land, full stop. They believe they are more entitled to the land than anyone else, full stop.
The fact that they are Jewish is really immaterial and hating “the Jews” because of what Israel is doing is a lot like, I dunno, hating white people because of the various White Supremacist groups.
You have a supremacist government taking genocidal actions, any supremacist government would do the same, it doesn’t matter what the heritage is.
And you have a population that largely supports the actions of the government.
It’s not the government just doing what it pleases, it’s doing what its population wants it to do.
Correct, but being Jewish isn’t a factor in their thinking.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but as my ex used to comment (she’s Jewish and went to private Jewish school) their religion is very clear in explaining they are the chosen children of God.
Off the bat they are indoctrinated that they are better than all of us.
All I know is my children are less safe in the world because of what the state of Israel is doing and that disgusts me.
Every religion is convinced they are the chosen children of God. :)
Oooh not like them. With them it’s clearly defined in the Torah multiple times. G-d Himself tells them they are His children.
The vast majority of Israeli Jews and a significant number (not sure if a majority) of diaspora Jews are actively guilty of perpetuating and aiding Israel’s genocide and occupation(s). That’s just facts and won’t get you banned (at least not from Lemmy). However, generalizing that to the significant fraction of Jews who aren’t party to these crimes or are opposing them is antisemitism and will rightly get you banned. There’s nothing complicated about this.
For years Israel has been running around the world, waving their foes statements about “pushing Israel into the sea” as a call to arms against atrocity.
And now here they are, committing that very atrocity. But genocide seems inevitable when your stated goal is to be an ethnostate.
Wow, highlighting the fact they’re a genocidal theocratic ethnostate without highlighting the good things.
Like how they invented tomatoes hummus and fizzy water, or how good they are at exterminating the brutes!
Clearly just an antisemite. There’s no behavior the jewish people could do that would be good enough for you, short of completely stopping the genocide¹, and abandoning their entire 5000 year old culture, which is suspiciously close to lemkin’s original definition of genocide. Stopping the genocide is genocide. You people just cant stop wanting to genocide jews, can you? Antisemites make me sick.
¹which the hamas people are doing to themselves actually. Tge idf has never been outside the city of jerusalem, and actually mostly just makes music videos, check them out on social media!
They’ve literally been doing this shit since they pushed the Palestinians out of the way almost eighty fucking years ago. Of course the population is okay with it.
It’d be more surprising if the ingroup of an established ethnostate weren’t hitlerites.
I noticed on LinkedIn that a ton of my former colleagues from Israel are now in the US. I think shifting demographics as progressives leave are a bigger part of the story than the shifting opinions these stories have been about.
The wider truth is that anyone who’s remotely sane or empathetic is driven out of the zio regime. I have a friend who grew up under the regime and resisted the mandatory terrorism. He was put in prison, then he was harassed and threatened with death until he fled to USA. This dude is an exceptionally great person and for that reason he was violently forced out.
So whom does that leave over there? Only the most genocidal wackos. Thus, this completely unsurprising poll.
Just like in Nazi Germany, the entire Israeli population is complicit.
Not to be super technical but “most” is not the same as “all”.
82% support genocide.
What percent of the Germans under Hitler supported genocide?
Not all.
About 800,000 Germans were arrested during the war for actively resisting. That’s about 1% of the population arrested. And these were just the bravest ones. The less glorious ones are probably a bigger number.
That’s not to deny that a majority was supporting the Nazis. That’s to make the distinction between “most” and “all”.
Surely there couldn’t be any negative consequences to sweeping generalizations of a people? ;)
clutches pearls
Yeah, this is has been obvious for…30 years now? This is only shocking to ostriches
Anyone surprised? Nasi state governed by nazis, who were elected by nazis thinking they are more than others. Fuck israel.
waiting for bill maher who claimed muslims were inferior because some muslim countries supposedly supported this and that according to random polls. surely he will be consistent.
Bill Maher is the biggest hypocrite.
Not enough principle to be a hypocrite. He’s just a drunk old creep.
