First off, Signal hasn’t said anything, this is an accusation made at a conference in Kyiv. So - who knows, they’re behind, they don’t have billions to support an army, who knows.
IF they have chosen to not help Ukraine where at all possible, that would be bad.
All of that said, if I was running a modern army using an encrypted chat app, I’d fucking have all that shit in-house, wtf. It’s 2025. Ukraine already has a bunch of l337 h4X0rs. I’m sure they could slap something together in days and have it in the field in weeks.
not to mention the Signal protocol is open source so they could literally build something in days and ensure the same encryption
Maintaining and testing such an app has costs and risks. They may think it’s more secure that signal does this. It is also harder to attack all of signal.
They are also significantly resource constrained, everything they have goes towards defence. The effort building the app could be deployed on developing weapon systems they can’t buy.
Your right nations should have their own independent systems for secure communications for military, politicians and civil service.
Moreover, its not like Ukraine hasnt been pushing for localized tech stack since at least 2016-2018 ish.
Yeah they are slowly moving to matrix afaik
Simplex is probably ready now. It’s self-hostable, and has strong encryption.
I’m sure they could slap something together in days and have it in the field in weeks.
We make a lot of assumptions about how other people live, and what they have available.
What exactly is the cooperation that Signal was doing beforehand? Signal claims to collect very little data so I’m not sure how exactly they help?
so I’m not sure how exactly they help?
I would say yes, that you are not sure how exactly they help, if I’m answering your question as written.
Did it ever respond to those “requests”? What would Signal have anyway other than phone number to login association.
Call logs?
Nope, all they collect is date of registration and last time the client connected to the server. Has been proven in court.
Technically they can also store what I said, but yes, in fact it appears they don’t.
So apparently some people think Signal can’t see to which number they send that registration confirmation SMS.
Humanity isn’t worth it, these apes are doomed.
why aren’t they using the matrix?
What’s the difference in this context? Can’t their enemies send dodgy links and QR codes on Matrix?
they can send anything, but if they run their own matrix on their own servers then the data stays in house… important for govt or military things
Ok, they had choice to use Jami, app independent of anyone, but they chose centralization…
The article is about Signal providing info on what the Russians are doing on the app and not Ukraine using it themselves
Did they really? I assume they would do more research than me when choosing tech, but my initial reaction is “the fuck is a Jami?”. Is this a big app in recent years?
It’s a messenger backed by the GNU foundation. The last time I tried it it didn’t reliably deliver messages on Android.
And you’re proud of that? Well, I’m glad someone else has found out about serverless, independent messenger.
Not sure how you read pride into this at all, the implication is that if they don’t know about it it’s not a choice, while at the same time acknowledging that perhaps I’m just out of the loop.
Give it time. Before long you’ll see articles about how we need to ban encryption to help Ukraine fight Russia & Democrats will support it cause that is how clueless many of them are.
Dude fuck off.
Why? He’s right…
Not even close, but okay.
While I personally think a removal of encryption tends be on the other side of this conflict, I have been called a nonce several times by otherwise leftist folks because of my support for strong encryption(ie the only people who want encryption have something to hide ergo you’re a nonce). This is all anecdote so YMMV.
