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no wonder they need so much power/rare earths. ssds next
SSDs were first, actually, with HDDs now following suit.
Welp, I guess I’m all out of money for new tech. Time to travel or find a new hobby.
These sound like great ideas. Additionally, I find that making the most of the hardware I already have can be really satisfying, too.
This feels like you’re about to try and sell me on linux.
Next up, torches and pitchforks will ve sold out. And AI won’t exist.
Fuck AI
so much wrong with this title.
- it’s not AI, it’s LLM slop bullshit
- it’s not the software at guilt here, it’s the sacks of shit running those companies who plan such data centers
- blamed? No, those shitheads are totally and absolutely responsible for this clusterfuck.
They’ve gone so far as to claim responsibility.
You mean brag about it?
I was trying to use the same language the news uses when a political group claims resposibilty for a bombing.
shit dude I’ll move my storage to S3 and retire on what I can get from my 16tb array and 20tb backup.
I’m highly suspect this happens at the same time that Microsoft is demanding you upgrade your PCs to run their shitty software. and discontinuing Windows 10
They need to roll that back.
They want us to rent or compute from the clouds so they can watch each and everything we do.
let’s hope it comes crashing down in their face soon enough
The worst part is that we don’t something, and by saying something, I mean boycott them.
Look what they are doing to us, just to build AI data centers.
Worst part, is that there is no progress of AI. It is used only for capitalist profits by companies(support chat bots, girlfriend AI and goes on).\I recently checked on the price of the used 12TB server drive I bought a couple years ago. It was 80 then. It’s 260 now. Same seller.
1TB SSD I bought at the end of 2024 for $47 is $142 now
12TB HDDs were $104 a piece at the same time and are now $300 each.
Good idea. I just looked at a drive I bought six months ago and it’s up 40% or so. Wish I’d have got two now.
Three months ago I put two 20TB hard drives in my cart for $350 each. This week I had to pull the trigger on them and they were $420 each
Bought a 20 TB external for ~$270 a few months ago. It’s now $400:
I’m guessing you got similar drives to the ones I got. I paid ~$72 each (4x 12TB), and now the same HGST DC drives from the same seller are $220. Just glad I got them when I did, even though now I have to continually prune the data so it all fits within this forever limit.
I will absolutely remember the companies that are saying “fuck the consumer” when I go to purchase anything going forward.
Honestly which companies does that leave?
I think it has to be considered by degree of consumer-fucking. Some companies, like Micron, are outright discontinuing their consumer brands while others are ‘just’ deprioritizing consumers to chase the AI bandwagon.
It’s those companies’ prerogative to chase profits, but I’ll never buy another Micron product again if they ever decide to come crawling back.
Great point.
those who promote ai usage and even pay for it ought to be blamed too.
While I can see some benefits in using llm for some things, way things currently are the negatives way outweigh the positives. Using it should be something to be ashamed about so this shit collapses sooner and maybe we can get some peace. Maybe once all the commotion dies down llm could become useful tool, but if its tied to destruction of our way of life (planet dying, economic disruption, no components for regular people) then it just has to go.
Alternative is we just submit and hope our owners dont abuse us too much.
The irony is as they bid up the price of all the hardware, they are probably making their AI platforms more likely to fail due to being more expensive than their value.
We can only hope that their businesses crash hard before any of these deals come to fruition and then when the hardware has nowhere to go we can all “buy the dip” so to speak.
To be clear, I know most of this stuff will be specialized server hardware, but hopefully it all crashing down will help get more people into self-hosting and working on community resources and networks instead of having everything live in the cloud.
I know most of this stuff will be specialized server hardware
it actually won’t be, at least not for the hard drives. the prevailing strategy for quite some time now is to just use the cheapest available disks and deal with the failures on the software level. those disks will ultimately fail anyway and the increased price for some super-duper enterprise reliability server disk is not really worth it.
I’m currently hosting everything on old desktop PCs and SBCs but fuck it, I’ll swipe some closeout hardware and upgrade to a proper server rack.
In a similar boat, I’ve thought about that but if I ever upgraded to a stronger real centralized PC I’d have to do a bunch of Docker setup and if anything breaks my whole system would go down. As it is, with piecemeal shitass laptops each running individual services I get lots of redundancy!
Definitely same.
These companies are publicly traded…
The people who run/own the AI companies would have been complete idiots to not invest in the hardware companies they were going to make these purchases from before making those purchases.
But 100 million in Seagate stock, then announce you just signed a contract buying up supply.
Your company may overpay, but you personally just made a shit ton of money. Which is the why you want your company to succeed
As a bonus, the news that you’re overpaying to buy up all the hard drives, doesn’t hurt your company it helps it.
There’s no way to monetize it anyways, the product is the stock price. And this move makes the company seem confident, which raises stock price.
That’s not even getting into the long term problem that even if AI fails, were seeing a huge migration in computing power from individuals to private corporations. That’s a big deal even if AI dies tomorrow. And they have a lot of motivation to never let us get it back.
This is illegal but I’m sure it happens all the time.
Yeah, that’s how politicians get the insider tips, it’s bribes to not go after the person who gave them the tip.
If enough of the right people make enough money, then everything about it becomes legal, or at worse a fine that’s less than the profits made.
Western Digital chief Tiang Yew Tan told analysts “We’re pretty much sold out for calendar '26. We have firm purchase orders with our top seven customers.”
the dow is 50k and 37% of the DOW is made up of those seven
freaking financial human centipede
I can’t wait for it to crash and burn, this bubble is getting so ridiculous.
that crash and burn will be the onus of the consumer not being able to consume.
we will lose access to free range computing and have to live with asking AI for permission to use the computing power and network resources to play a game or pay our bills online. And paytoll for that permission.
that will be the crash and burn victims here.
It needs to crash. If it doesn’t crash soon, things will only get worse and worse for consumers. We’re already over the edge of the cliff (imo), it’s just a matter of how far we have to fall now. If it crashes hard enough, we won’t have to live with “asking AI for permission to use the computing platform”. By the way, an LLM isn’t really capable of that at the moment, and the sooner it crashes, the less likely anything like that will happen.
I brought my 2003 laptop back to life for shits and giggles recently. It’s made me realize how bloated software has become. It’s still just as usable as it was 20 years ago when you remove all the fancy crap and use programs designed for tasks rather than living in a web browser. Sure its not fast, but once I replaced the spinning drive with an ssd, it became pretty damn usable in a modern day scenario. I really thought I would just upgrade as far as I could for fun, then slap an old archived distro on there from my college days for some good old PTSD/nostalgia. But it’s actually usable so I occasionally pull it out and do stuff on it. I’m ready to slap jaunty jackalope on it and relive going to my uni’s library to write a 10 page research paper thats due the next day, but it’s still ready to rock in modern times.
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It’s nice how AI datacenters step by step swallow virtually all available hardware resources to provide digital services to users who won’t be able to use those services due to the lack of available hardware.
I doubt offering AI services to the public is their goal.
that’s okay they will replace users with AI. it’s going to be AI all the way down
You can use them fine. In fact, you’ll have to on your new Android phone which has no opt out.
The one I just bought came with 3 of the fucking things installed on it.
Hardware will be available, silly. †
You will have the “freedom” ‡ to choose from the hardware vendor* you want. Like always! ‡‡
† ^For $49.95 per month.^
^Terms and conditions and government social score apply.^
‡‡ Authorized and approved by the department of national security and intelligence gathering agencies and the billionaire technofascist bros club^
This framing is journalistic malpractice. Using the term blamed implies room for doubt where there is none, it’s a clear and provable driver of this issue. We desperately need public funding for journalism, as long as outlets rely on private investment to function there will always be this kind of manipulation and bias infused into news media.
Funny thing, we had that back before the 80’s. Yeah Republicans killed it. and now we’re in the shit show you see all around.
Huh, I wonder why they would do that… So Weird ™. Surely unrelated to the tRump republicans axeing PBS funding in this current term…
