• flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz
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    6 months ago

    The headline is somewhat misleading. Iran said US personnel are legitimate targets (meaning those employed by the US government. Not all US citizens.

    Although if I were American I would not risk depending on the judgment of a random Iranian soldier.

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      First sentence:

      Iran announced Sunday that any American civilian or military personnel in the region are now considered legitimate targets

      So yes, still not all Americans, but no, not just government employees, American civilians too.

      But I suspect non-military people will be arrested, not treated as military targets to be attacked or bombed.

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        After we’ve droned some of their people. I wouldn’t put money on that.

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        Based on that sentence, it even just says “in the region” so hardly “all” Americans

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        Folks have tried a couple of times, unfortunately it never seems to sink in that it generally isn’t worth the trouble.

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      My best guess is that they’ll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.

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        Iran would not do that, but you raise an important point about how insanely vulnerable the US is to actual biological attacks.

        Could you imagine the US government trying to get Americans to get an anthrax vaccine after a weapon attack?

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        Oh yeah America really taught them a lesson by, checks notes, giving Taliban control of Afghanistan, after pouring millions of dollars and ending the lives of thousands of Afghani and Americans

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    🎶 Everybody’s going to the party, have a real good time

    Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine 🎶

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    Propaganda is when you punch someone in the face and then quote them saying “I’ll kill you” instead of mentioning the face punch.

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    Iran targeting U.S. citizens, U.S. targeting U.S. citizens, U.S. citizens just can’t get a break.

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    My money is on Iran enacting a terrorist attack on July 4. It isn’t just Iran’s opportunity to enact mere vengeance, but it is a convenient opportunity to have that vengeance become deeply ingrained into the mind of America for a long time to come. Where we would once have celebrated our independence, that celebration would be contaminated by a horrific attack. It’s not just about enacting petty revenge, but it’d be about sending a message for generations. Also, the date is conveniently close.

    Edit: Spelling

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      That would practically guarantee boots on the ground in Iran and a regime change in 3 months.

      Iran’s leaders are dumb, but I don’t think they’re that dumb.

      edit hate to repeat a standard antisemitic trope, but Israel would have a big reason to fake that

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        Typifying a nation state by to it’s goals, rhetoric, and past actions is not antisemitic, but the government of Israel definitely wants you to conflate it as such.

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        Maybe, but how brutal was it when we went into Afghanistan? Who did we attack when we invaded Afghanistan? Who runs that country now? For all that effort we put into getting rid of Al-Qaeda, they seem to still be running things. If I were a religious zealot, where I think my terrorism gets me into heaven, sending a message to the west in such a terrorist attack might be worth it. After all, the religious leader there is like 80-something, so he might not mind sacrificing the few years he has left for a guaranteed entry into heaven.

        The cynic in me is going to bet that the Trump administration already knows an attack is coming, and they will let it happen. It’s an easy reason to implement martial law. Then, with the ongoing emergency he’ll always somehow manage to have manifest when people try to get him to give up power, he’ll let the Iranians attack. Then, another emergency is declared.

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          I suppose the hit on Bin Laden couldn’t have been launched without significant presence in Afghanistan. Why you stayed there after that though was weird. That seems to have been Obama’s mistake.

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            The Taliban offered to arrest bin laden for us and Iran offered to help but Bush said nah, halliburton stocks go brrrrrrr

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    Dear Iran, leave us Americans out of this fight. Your fight is with trump alone, we are hostages of him. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

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      Imagine a group of criminals holding a police station hostage. You are not the hostages, you are the ones who are supposed to take care of the hostage takers.

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      You voted(or didn’t) for him and are responsible. Good luck, leave the rest of the world out of this.

      Sincerely the world.

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          Yeah, fuck that guy. It’s not fault my a third if the country fell for the propaganda, and a third of the country didn’t care enough to even vote. I will not be held personally responsible for convincing all of the American voting populous to get their heads out of their asses.

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            It’s hard to blame the people who stayed home when disenfranchisement is an intended feature of your electoral system. The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter and a huge number cannot get time off on the weekday it is scheduled for.

            If a full third of people stayed home, that’s a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem. Your electoral system is completely captured by capital and you are stuck blaming the electorate.

            Folks please: US corruption is not a cultural or personal issue, it is systemic. Power corrupts, not just people, but systems. The US has been at the head of the global hegemon for most of the last century, they have most of the billionaires, of course they are corrupt. That’s where capitalists focus their efforts to get the most returns. It’s not an accident that the guy doing DOGE just happened to be the richest man on the planet.

            Maybe focus your energy there instead of on the people who have literally no power.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              If only there were some way that the people could kind of ha e their say and direct lawmakers th address some of these problems. The people need to choose some kind of representative that propose and pursue these changes. Imagine if you could just kind of “poll” the will of the people and add up everyone’s choices to choose a representative.

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              The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter

              If a full third of people stayed home, that’s a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem.

              You understand that in a two party system, these two statements are basically incompatible?

              Especially when you consider that we have early voting starting a month before the election, along with mail-in voting being available in nearly every state. If you didn’t vote, it’s because you didn’t want to vote, not because you couldn’t vote. Yes, some degree of civic participation is expected, welcome to being an adult.

              Someone commented just a few days ago that voting blue in OK was pointless. I brought up some stats that if every one of the non-voters in OK had voted in the last election, Kamala could have carried the state with 200k people to spare.

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                If all of the people who stayed home would have been kamala voters then it sounds like she failed to inspire them to vote. It sounds like she lost an election.

                Yes, if an unprecedented, impossible turnout occurred then dems might’ve won, but that’s not actually a strategy, that’s fantasy. Assuming there isn’t some level of divine intervention, then people are right that their vote doesn’t matter, because this is the real world where we already know a plurality of people don’t vote.

                It’s almost like voter disenfranchisement works.

                I don’t know why liberals can’t get this basic concept: if electoralism is meaningful at all, then the electorate cannot be wrong.

                If the electorate voted “wrong” then your democracy doesn’t do what it claims to, it does not represent the people. <- this is actually the correct answer btw

                Blaming the electorate achieves nothing.

                The electorate didn’t fail the dems, the dems failed the electorate.

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            Look, I get it. You are mad too, that trump is bringing you all down. However, this isn’t just a trump thing. This isn’t just a now thing. This is something that has been going on for decades, maybe even longer than most of us have been alive. The US is known for being arrogant, ignorant, prideful, and idiotic. Most non-americans have talked to americans online over the years and likely tried to explain what is wrong with their country, healthcare, pay, racism, nationalism etc. Most likely have been met with ‘hate us causee they aint us’, ‘better dead than red’. ‘USA USA USA’, or some other prideful bullshit.

            For decades you lot have all looked down on the rest of world, assuming you are doing the best, because you are born in the best country in the universe, raised the best way possible, pledging you allegiance to your flags, drinking up the nationalistic propaganda. For decades. And now, this trump shit has made the rest of the world say, nah fam we don’t like this. And you all have the gall to say. Its not us, dont blame us, we didn’t do it.

            Like shit. You guys made the bed, and have been making the bed for decades. Just because it’s been shat in now doesn’t mean you didn’t make it.

            Grow up, accept that, deal with it. Get your shit in order, fix it.

            Maybe then. In a few decades when the world can see you’ve fixed all systemic problems they might accept you again. Maybe.

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              Dumbass. I will never take responsibility for some shit I didn’t do. This is the same logic as racism, so get the fuck out of here with you bullshit

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                You’re doing a great job illustrating why it’s been so easy for the US to completely fuck up everything good it ever had going for it.

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                  Whatever bro. I’m doing everything I can without sacrifice my entire life to the meat grinder. The fact that you’re still free and not in prison is proof that you haven’t done anything more than I have, because all that’s left is the illegal shit.

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          Mods here are corrupted move along. Deleted my post for telling someone to fuck off who rightfully deserved it. Just as bad as reddit.

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        Fuck you, don’t assume that shit on me. I voted, I volunteered on phone banks, I tried talking to whomever you listen on why this guy was a bad deal all the way back from 2015, and it was never for that walking piece of human excrement.

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          Stand back, everyone. This guy made phone calls. I’m sure MAGA knows better than to show their face in this guy’s neighborhood!

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          Did you vote against him? Did you read what I wrote? Then why so mad? Reading comprehension needs to increase in the US as well I see.

          Edit: you need to read and understand before commenting.

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    Fellow muricans; stay out of metropolitan areas on July 4th. My guess is that we’re going to see the inevitable marriage of military and local law enforcement using the “iranian sleeper sell agents biden let loose in our country” angle instead. Faux news frontpage is laying the groundwork as of yesterday.

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    Is Iran mad at me now? Bruh this is why I don’t like leaving the house. /s But seriously something has got to give with this maniac regime we have here in the U.S., and I’m afraid we are the only ones who could realistically stand up and change anything. Nobody else is coming to save us.

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      The maniac regime has been a maniac for literal decades at this point. Please do something about it, OK? Xoxo

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      We are the only ones who could realistically stand up and change anything. Nobody else is coming to save us.

      This is correct.

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    Yeah, citizens and nuclear weapons research are perfectly equivalent targets.