Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency has reported that at least 40 people were killed after an Israeli strike hit a girls’ elementary school in Minab in the southern Hormozgan province.
This is a developing story. I’ve provided some micro-updates in the comments, focusing on the verification of the story.
I recommend this Middle East Eye, and this Guardian article for more on this story.
Well, if Iranian state media says so, it must surely be true.
same goes for when “israel” and the US say they were bombing a terrorist factory.
Of course.
Friend…
I don’t wanna put skepticism down like this, and saying that every pretty much every news org is gonna take that statement right now is understandably not enough sometimes… Maybe somebody can articulate this better why it’s nonsense not to roughly believe this right now.
Those are still all just quoting Iranian state media. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I’m just saying there is no independent confirmation, as far as I’m aware.
Yeah, that’s what I meant by
and saying that pretty much every news org is gonna take that statement right now is understandably not enough sometimes
Sorry, I can’t express what’s on my mind right now. I guess we can talk about this again once the situation there is more or less independently verified. :)
Gonna micro-update here.
Reporting from Tehran, Al Jazeera’s Mohammed Vall said of the attack on the girls’ school, “There are new reports confirming the number of people killed in that strike has now gone above 40. […]"
Fool.
There have been widespread rumors that the Islamic regime would perform an attack on their own citizens to discredit the attacks, in case the US or Israel does attack them. This report of 40+ school girls killed in a missile attack fits the agenda of the regime perfectly. It’s telling how quickly foreign journalists were reporting on this, as the regime fully controls what they may or may not do.
Before believing this, independent reports are needed. No, journalists allowed into the country do not count, as they only get to report what the regime allows them to. I bet no independent journalist is allowed to examine the rubble to see what type of missile this may have been.
https://piefed.social/comment/10332190
It’s also not unheard of that Israel targets schools, children, incubators, etc. on purpose and washes the narrative by targeting journalists and lying.
Like, has Germany even started calling it a genocide yet? You say it’s typical Iran. But do you acknowledge, it’s typical Israel that their horrors immediately get denied, put into question, etc.?
No, journalists allowed into the country do not count, as they only get to report what the regime allows them to.
Iran is not the US or Europe, and you won’t see much of reality if you only accept it on a silver-platter.
Do actual eye-witnesses count, at least?
I also believe Israel is committing genocide and war crimes against Palestinians, and it is true that Israel’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank have included it attacking civilian targets. As you say, allies of Israel tend to deny this for political reasons. (For completeness, let me also state that I believe that Hamas are just as evil as Israel - but with less power, so Israel is simply able to kill more.)
However, so far, the attacks of the US and Israel against Iran have been very precise and only legitimate military targets and personnel have been hit. Soon into the 12 day war Iranian civilians realized how precise the attacks were and were not afraid of going out. Instead, the attacks have been celebrated.
There’s been leaks from the IRGC that the plan was to attack its own people in the case of a US or Israeli attack. This combined is why I doubt this to be an attack by Israel. Of course eye witness accounts would count, but I do not trust media controlled by the Islamic regime, directly or indirectly.
However, so far, the attacks of the US and Israel against Iran have been very precise and only legitimate military targets and personnel have been hit.
For that to be true, you’re gonna have to discount all this (more pending):
- school staff eye-witnesses speak of the strike, including of rescue efforts that match Revolutionary Guard footage shared on telegram.
- factchecking service used by major news org verifies video of the site-post impact.
- reuters verifies the same video
- Journalist in Iran aljazeera trusts enough to use his reporting ON IRAN, says there is more verification beyond the governmental statements.
Honestly, I shouldn’t even be listing these, when they are almost as concisely available in the linked updates.
I do not doubt anything about this attack taking place nor these details about it. It is a horrible attack. Do you have any evidence linking it to Israel, that is not just “Israel is attacking Iran today so this must be the work of Israel too”?
I apologize, and thank you for your patience. I didn’t quite get your point about origin of strike.
It sounds pretty damn dodgy to me. But, yes, there is no verification of the strike’s origins to my knowledge.
Actually there is at least some verifying material:
From the last image of the Factmeh presentation
A map of the “Asef Guards Barracks” area shows that the Shajareh Tayyebeh IRGC Navy Girls’ School is located within the compound.
In the comments of this link you have two different people theorizing it is the IRGC who did this. I’ve read elsewhere that that this school is located within a military complex has been lifted as an argument that it is the work of the IRGC, as it would be easy for them to carry it out.
I haven’t seen any concrete evidence that it is this way or another. Let’s say that it is an Israeli attack - you could perhaps explain it as an attempt to hit the military complex that went horribly wrong. But the US and Israeli attacks have overall been more precise than this.
The collateral damage in other cases have been limited to unlucky people being at the wrong place at the wrong time, where the legitimate target happens to be. I read that so far there’s 133 civilians confirmed dead, of which 108 were at this school in question. Attacks like this will always have some collateral damage, and except for this school, I think it has been rather low.
However, so far, the attacks of the US and Israel against Iran have been very precise and only legitimate military targets and personnel have been hit. Soon into the 12 day war Iranian civilians realized how precise the attacks were and were not afraid of going out. Instead, the attacks have been celebrated.
Was this verified by independent sources?
There’s been leaks from the IRGC that the plan was to attack its own people in the case of a US or Israeli attack.
So you want independent verification of some incidents but leaks are fine as long as it aligns with your bias?
Are you aware of your hypocrisy?
everyone with a young daughter knows how horrible this is. I still cant understand was this an intentional war crime or how the fuck did a F35 or whatever precision bomb girls school? this was not a ballistic missile 9000 miles away
Remember when zios claimed 40 beheaded babies? “Every accusation is a confession.”
But I’m pretty sure that imperial news won’t be covering this actual event nearly as much as they did the imaginary.
Fuck Israel. Fake ass country.
Not gonna lie, it was a one off joke in Rick and Morty I saw at the end of highschool that got me to realize that, “oh this is a thing thing. Like not that in taking cartoons as political fact but that for the past few decades shining light on the legitimacy of Israel almost automatically turns you into a raving drunk lunatic”.
It’s not about Jews, or a homeland. It’s a concerted effort by a group of people for over a century to underhandedly amass power and exert influence while doing great harm and lying. These aren’t middle eastern people searching for their ancestral lands. They are power hungry Europeans who changed their names to larp as semetic people, to displace and replace the people who’ve lived there for centuries.
How a group of pilfering bandits made themselves synonymous with a religion AND ethnicity is fucking fascinating. Saying any critique of ZIONISTS and their actions brings down the wrath of YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT. I can’t even fathom the dirt they have on people or why we even fucking care anymore.
I think about that one-off joke a lot these days. I was already an adult, but stating that Israel was a threat was still verboten. The tides on zionism have turned a lot in the past few years. Rick’s metaphorical dance around the topic, attempting to clarify that his position had nothing to do with Judaism but rather with the state itself, is a hallmark of the era in which it was made. I can’t help but wonder how that joke will be viewed as time goes on. Not that Rick would be proven wrong (Israel’s doing a bang-up job of showing he was right), but the “dance” around the topic will change as more and more people grow up with Israel’s threat being blatantly obvious.
TIL in Iran there is school on Saturdays, for girls.
I already know that war is horrible. Iranian regime, Israeli and US government have failed (to resolve their differences peacefully). Civilians will suffer and die because of it.
I don’t know how credible the source of the information is. I don’t say it didn’t happen, I just don’t trust the source.
After months of protests, I truly doubt a bunch of girls were at school on a Saturday.
Just like the US said Iraq was removing premature infants from respirators in Kuwait. Bullshit.
Just like Israel said Hamas was beheading babies. Absolute nonsense.
It’s meant to generate rage first and foremost, to dehumanize the enemy.
War is dehumanizing enough.
I do not trust Iran one bit. Iranians, maybe. They’re the ones suffering here. But the regimes at play here can all get fucked.
You’re comparing Israeli and US lies to justify bombing civilians with a country being surprise attacked in the middle of peace negotiations saying one of the 500 targets Israel is gloating about was a school… Because you think it’s the weekend?
Not so fun fact, the weekend in Iran is Thursday and Friday. Yes, there is school on Saturday.
Fair point, I was ignorant of their weekends. But I was also considering that their society has been in disarray during protests for months.
Even that doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be school.
I still distrust news that comes from any of the regimes at play here.
And any deaths of civilians would be tragic. Of course if a school was indeed hit that would be a horrific thing.
The weekend in Iran is Thursday and Friday. Saturday is the first day of the week, and yes, there are schools for girls… I’m not sure what you’re implying by that bit…
Thanks.
The weekend in Iran is Thursday and Friday. Saturday is the first day of the week
I didn’t know that. Why is that? Something about religious beliefs?
… parliament ultimately approved the plan to make Friday and Saturday the official weekend on May 15, 2024. Yet the Guardian Council subsequently rejected this decision…
and yes, there are schools for girls… I’m not sure what you’re implying by that bit…
It is the information in the article, which I don’t doubt (including workweek). That bit is not part of the message to provoke an emotional reaction during wartime.
Israel not killing children for one month challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
I doubt they could make it a day
I can’t believe Trump would allow this! What a waste of perfectly good underage women
How much you want to bet they were targeting some leader’s baby girl?
Girls? Those were non-jewish beings. Soulless vessels. So all good in terms of ethics guys.
Young though, so figures Trump would hit it
Trump has manners. He wouldn’t touch a brown lady.
Americans begin liberating Iranian women by ‘checks notes’ yeah doing what they are best at, bombing them.
Fuck america, fuck liberalism, fuck imperialism
Go IRAN!!
No thanks, IRGC can go to hell
Iran should fight aggressively till the end. It is not a regular small armed conflict with Israel, it is the extermination attempt towards Iran from the US and Israel.
Iran should fight aggressively till the end.
Yes! Ideally!
Once the IRGC collapses the Iranians can be free again 👍
Free or american free?
they can have a protest and not have the IRGC shoot 30,000 of them free :P
Iran has targeted US military bases across the middle east meanwhile these stanic pedophiles are bombing children
US bases would of course be targeted. They are an invasive force.
I think their point is that Iran’s targets are legitimate while the US/Israeli targets are children
i do not disagree with that.
Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has a base located in Minab, according to reports.
It looks like the missile fell short :\
My fascist regime is better than your fascist regime!
fuck off imperialist
How do you call somebody who supports fascists? And it makes no fucking difference whatsoever whether the fascists wear red baseball caps or turbans. And as for the imperialism, I think the Kurds and other ethnic minorities in Iran would like a word.
I said fuck off, I am in no mood of moral policing from americunts, silence
You don’t get to order me around.
Shut up liberal
We are doing lesser evilism here
Rapist american with rapist mentality strikes again
Very nice opinion you have, did epstien give it to you?
Do Iranians go to school on a Saturday? or what’s the deal, here in Australia schools are practically empty on the weekend
Iran doesn’t follow the “weekend” schedule of Western historically Christian countries.
Many Muslim-majority countries (and Israel) follow a Friday-Saturday weekend schedule, but it seems that in Iran only Friday is the “weekend.”
Damn :\
Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has a base located in Minab, according to reports.
Would be good to know how close this school is to the base
Academic year begins in September and runs through June. It consists of two semesters of instruction. Students attend classes Saturday through Thursday.
Putinesque.
“What are we a bunch of Asians/Russians”
This is literally the most USAmerican thing to happen.
Bombing civilians in the middle east has been the Epstein Coalitions favourite pass time for literal decades.
Axis of Epstein.
Americans doing something as american as possible
Liberals: Fucking russians
God this is complicated, top-level comment of where I wanted to micro-update got deleted.
So it will be here, though I don’t think there will be much more to say.
earlier update
Reporting from Tehran, Al Jazeera’s Mohammed Vall said of the attack on the girls’ school, “There are new reports confirming the number of people killed in that strike has now gone above 40. […]”
Recent updates
A staff member at the Minab school, who asked not to be named, told Middle East Eye she remains in shock at the intensity of the attack.
Through tears, she said she used to watch the young girls playing at school every day. After today’s strikes, however, she saw their bodies lying on classroom benches and in different corners of the school.
Pinging @diplomjodler3@lemmy.world FYI
We already know that Trump approves of killing young girls.
