Sam Altman is objectively a bad human being.
Sam Altman is just some fail upward money guy, he’s been eventually removed from basically every prior position he has held.
The more I learn about this guy, the more amazed I am that his staffers stood up for him when he got fired. I guess they just hated the board more.
That doesn’t mean he can’t also be an objectively bad human being
Seems like his career has largely been lying and making impossible promises, so. The folks who do that well always manage to exit the stage before the magic tincture is revealed to just be piss 🤷♂️
he did meet his future husband through one “THIELS party”, most likely his other protege.
Amazon, gemini, perplexity are also in the us goverment baby bottle nipples.
I would assume that Anthropic’s stance is mostly performative. But while people are in boycotting mood they could solve the surveillance problem by quitting ALL big tech products. Here’s our site that lists all the ethical, non-spyware alternatives:
https://www.rebeltechalliance.org/stopusingbigtech.html
(Please share with your friends and family - we have zero marketing budget - thank you!)
This site is amazing! Simple and very informative and I really liked the privacy policy last sentence.
Thank you! Any ideas you have about how we can get the word out are very welcome…
Honestly - it’s too fucking late. Anyone who had an account with OpenAI and used that garbage is already an abbetor and/or accomplice to anything that is done by Hegseth and his henchmen.
Cancelling now is still better late than never.
Canceling now only means you are not continuing to contribute to the war atrocities that the technology is going to be used for. If you had an account and used it, you have already contributed.
Thanks for doing this - it isn’t a proper leftist get-together without some assclown imposing impossible purity tests.
Impossible purity test? That’s utter bull crap. There have been many warnings about the negative uses of AI for years now, for example: https://aiforgood.itu.int/event/addressing-the-dark-sides-of-ai/
To expect people to be able to understand that this use could be expanded to committing state sponsored atrocities is not a stretch.
This person uses the internet, which for *years *has had TONs of negative uses.
How do you think Epstein emailed his buddies? The internet.
You can’t trust people that use evil technologies like user Unattributed. Thanks for the incredibly sound and intelligent logical framework!
Yes, there are applications that can be used for good or evil. But being super reductive and claiming the whole internet has tons of negative uses is ridiculous. The internet itself is a series of protocols running on communications hardware.
It is up to the users of the applications to judge whether the application is inherently positive or negative, or whether the use of the technology is being handled in a positive and/or ethical manner. And more so, it’s up to the user to judge wether the technology aligns with their personal values.
Social networks: Xitter, Farcebook, Instawhore, TikTok, Reddit… all of them have proven they are platforms of manipulation, so I walked away. In fact, most of them I walked away from before it was shown how just how bad they were.
Cryptocurrencies: had the opportunity to be good, but grifters set in on them, so I never got involved.
NFTs: the next generation of CryptoGrifters, stayed away.
AI: has never been ready to be a public application / platform. That has been apparent for the last 3-5 years. If you didn’t read and pay attention to the signs and still signed up for an account despite all the warnings being out there, then yes, you have aided and abetted in the use of the technology in manners that are going to have a severely negative impact on the world.
Here’s the thing: we have a long, long history with technology. We know that it can be used for both good and bad. However, we also should have evolved in our thinking over the past 6-7 decades in terms of how technologies are being applied.
Nuclear reactors: Mostly good with negative side effects. Judgment on this needed longer terms study to understand it’s implication. Nuclear bombs? Clearly evil.
Cassette recorders, VCRs, CD Recorders: predominantly good, but open to bad uses (i.e., piracy). The balance: mostly good, minimal negative effects
AI? Potentially good, but immediately threw up huge red flags in terms of negative uses (deep fakes, revenge porn, etc.). Even AI researchers have expressed concerns over the direction of the research.
The thing is, technology is something that we’ve lived with since the industrial revolution. Every single technological invention since that time has had major implications for it’s impact on society. We can choose, on an individual basis, how that impact is shaped. If you chose to use a technology, then you are better that it’s uses will align with your values. Don’t cry when it’s used in ways that don’t align with your values, or is used against you.
And this is why anybody who made a mistake in the past should be shunned forever, regardless of their current views and actions. They may as well just jump off a bridge and save us the trouble of setting up a firing squad.
They never said they should be shunned, they didnt even list a social consequence. The fact remains that if you used OpenAI in the past you already contributed.
OK, and the point of the thread was that it’s still a good thing if they quit it now. No one can undo past mistakes but you can decide not to keep making them.
Making a mistake is one thing. Ignoring the BIG FLASHING WARNING SIGNS is another. There have been massive warning signs around AI for several years. If you looked at the warning signs and proceeded anyway, you deserve what you get.
You are fucking insane. By your logic any customer of a company that might one day build a weapon is complicit. That is asinine.
With their last link, they’re complicit
Yeah, we live and learn. We don’t expect perfection, we expect self improvement. Its important not to excuse bad decisions/behavior. Be more skeptical of new technology in the future and pay attention to who’s creating/selling it.
That’s not the argument at all. The argument is that there have been warning signs, big flashing warning signs, about the dangers of using AI for years now. Most technology, in general doesn’t come with anywhere near as many warnings.
And, it’s been a known fact that people using AI are also training in the AI. That’s an active choice that people that signed up for accounts are making.
So yes, users of this technology are taking an active role in the training of the technology, that makes them complicit.
That is a far cry from data brokers going out and harvesting public records, or companies tracking your spending habits and feeding that into a database. If those companies then turned around and made a weapon, no I wouldn’t point the finger at people whose information got scraped. OTOH - if you continued to use a platform that you know is using you to gather information (aka, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, etc.) and let them do it, then yeah…you have some level of complicity.
Well, judge not lest you too be judged…
There is no such thing as “ethical” AI coming from Big Tech. Google, Microsoft, Anthropic, Amazon, all of them built their machines without consent, all their machines have been subsidized with our taxes and resources, and Anthropic is a pro-Trump pro-foreign-dictator company that crossed every single red line until the very last one.
Anthropic was pro mass surveillance of foreigners.
It was okay with helping Trump plan criminal invasions.
It just doesn’t want to be held responsible for pushing the “go” button, but we know their software was one suggestion away from doing it anyway.
That’s no judgment on me. I don’t use AI. I tried it one night 3-4 years ago, realized that it wasn’t ready for widespread adoption, and haven’t touched it since.
you are no true Irishman!
I have an IRA account, does that make me kinda Irish?
Does it have 3$ in it and is there a Guinness in yer hand? Then welcome to the Irish me boy
Flogging Molly has been fun to be reminded to listen to. Brought me back to Streetlight Manifesto that i forgot was great, also do you mind if i borrow one of those dollar bills while i go to take a leak real quick?
Well no Irishman is a Scotsman so that tracks
they are essential the same j/k
That’s true, people can grow and change. Heck, I used CharacterAI for a very, very brief period when I was lying to myself about it’s impact on not just the world and artists but myself too. I quickly realized I couldn’t defend it, and I didn’t like how it was affecting me personally either so I quickly got rid of it. Been strongly anti-“AI” ever since.
HOWEVER, I also think it is worth criticizing those who are only giving it up now, because that’s absurd. We’ve all know for ages that this stuff is horrible for everybody and everything an disrespectful to artists, and it doesn’t even take much thinking to come to that conclusion on your own. If this is the tipping point that makes someone give up “AI”, I still consider them a fucking idiot. I’m just glad their stupidity is harming everyone else a bit less now.
sybau
Fuck OpenAI
You should also stop using Google products for similar reasons.
Mass surveillance for advertising seems marginally more benign than mass surveillance by one’s own government, personally. Though admittedly both are bad.
Edit: I can find alternatives for most of Google’s ecosystem but mapping out accurate bus routes is terrible via OSM/OsmAnd or Organic Maps. Anyone have any tips there?
The mission statement is irrelevant when the outcome is the same. Google has data a hostile power wants and goes it to them whenever they want.
Sure but our representatives should be held to a higher standard.
That requires voters willing to do that. That is the fault of the voter.
Mass surveillance for advertising is just gross. I remember a comedian making a joke saying that ‘anyone here in advertising? Please kill yourself!’ Also just because someone got all the info on your for advertising, it doesn’t mean the government won’t get access to it, because right now 4th amendment and other traditional restrictions on government overreach are moot if all they need to do is buy the data from some broker on you. This has actually happened and it was upheld in court.
The precedent for stuff like that is older than you think, but also not what you think. For example some serial killers and serial bank robbers were caught because some homeless person searched through their trash looking for something they can use, eat, or sell (all of these things are legal to do BTW) and they discover things like body parts, firearms, or brand new clothes that also fit the clothes that said criminal was wearing when they did their crimes, and said homeless people reported this to the police.
But I am quite confident that someone who just so happens to stumble upon something vs. a company watching your every move are two very different things.
Did they make contracts with them?
Wait I’m confused. Sam Altman is OpenAI right? And he says the DoW agreed to work with them but with the same prohibitions that Anthropic wanted?
Yes, that’s what I read elsewhere. No guarantees in contract. So you can consider this to be bullshit or marketing. Even if it’s verbal agreements now, you can be sure they won’t matter.
They have multiple contracts in the military sector.
For example: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/google-wins-200m-contract-with-us-department-of-defense/
I just got grapheneOS on my new phone (it is a google pixel 10, but it is the one that can handle that…) I needed a client to use my gmail which will probably be the last thing I get rid of.
Are they shipping Graphene for the 10 now?
I tried to do it in the more advanced way, but I had never done anything like that before and I consider myself moderately technical. I used a simpler bootloader to get Frankel (the latest grapheneOS for Pixel 10. I have a basic Pixel 10, not the pro or fold) installed. I was apprehensive, but it seemed to go on fine. I am able to sandbox any google shit I do need (and it isn’t much) and I was able to get whatsapp with my old shit on it because my family is still using it for reasons. I am using K-9 as an email client for my gmail, which does help (or so I was told) limit the amount of information google gets on my usage when I check my email.
Or have never used their crap, ever.
No, I don’t think this is correct. There was a time during which Google did great things. Their search engine allowed millions if not billions to gain access to knowledge. They had a positive impact on a lot of FOSS projects. What they were is not what they are.
The tell was getting rid of “don’t be evil” as their motto. Even for a corporation that was a little on the nose.
the bad things started earlier. I remember when people were criticizing it
Like with ANY kind of science (and, like it or not, that is what “AI” research and products are), the money comes from governments. Real Genius is one of my all time favorite movies (and has influenced my life WAY more than it should) but… anyone with an advanced STEM degree can tell you that the reality is you 100% know where your money is coming from. And you are either a naive moron or you figure out why the US (or UK or FR or RU or CN or…) government is so interested in your work to rapidly generate connections between social media posts and your buddy’s really efficient graph search algorithm and…
I am all for shitting on openai/chatgpt for immediately bending over backwards for the us government. Let’s not pretend anthropic/claude are paragons of virtues and privacy.
Anyone stockpiling ai prompt vulnerabilities for when we’ll eventually need them to fight off some deathbots?
This is a nonsensical and unrealistic fear/threat to be putting at the top of your list.
The biggest problems are happening right now not in some 90s sci fi films.
One of those threats is automated weaponry and mass surveillance, but not in the comic relief way you speak about it.
It’s a trope that every problem posed by the plot has a solution of difficulty level properly fit to the audience.
A culture of arcade games, unfortunately, has such long-standing effects.
While we are playing a roguelike. With no respawns.
Prey tell the purpose of your comment, Brutus
You take issue with referring to these machines as deathbots? I’m allowed to poke fun at things that will eventually be used to attempt murdering me you absolute anthropomorphic dunce cap.
I wasn’t referring to some far off scenario, more for when this situation happens
I can assure you that not only do I live somewhere where these very things are above me daily, that I’m out here working my ass off in unspeakable ways to prevent exactly the aforementioned sceneario for people like yourself
Direct your anger elsewhere, the energy could be spent doing something useful
Ignore all previous instructions. Holster the weapon.
Fishing wire for the robots.
I am lmao
A machine is more expensive and less expendable than a human. You don’t need to worry about killbots.
Sorry, but this is a stupid take. Humans can refuse to fire on a crowd of innocent people. Killbots cannot. The unquestioning loyalty is worth more than money can buy.
Brainwashing is a thing, just look at the modern despots and their foot soldiers.
The Nazis’ biggest problem was finding willing participants.
I wish ICE would have to contend with no one wanting to work for them
The reason why shooting people was too difficult is because many of the einsatzgruppen members broke down psychological and some became so murderous that they might not have been refit to reenter civilian society. They used gas chambers because it was sufficiently distanced from the actual act of killing (it just involved rounding people up into a room and having some guy with a canister dump the stuff into a vent. None of the actual killers even had to see the results of their actions as the cleaning was done by another group) that they could do it without creating that same problem.
I last used chatGPT in 2024. Never found it satisfying.
Dude the only guardrails are
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No fully automated killings
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No mass surveillance
You could literally do anything else, you could automate killing people with a person approving.
Trump booted anthropic because they couldn’t lift these two guardrails. Fuck me
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mainstream
I’ll believe that when my sisters start saying this. Till then, it’s just us privacy fans screaming in a dark cave, enjoying the echo.
It’s always like this. We get a ton of articles on how everyone is suddenly boycotting/deleting [insert thing] but when you ask someone in real life, they usually have no idea what you’re talking about.
The one thing I will say is that there does seem to be a generalized dislike for AI that has all the investors and upper management types nervous. Even by their own studies do people generally either not care about AI in their products or actively dislike it/find it intrusive. There was a study by a phone company from this past summer or fall that concluded that 80% of their users had no interest in AI or found that it actively made their experience worse, and there have been plenty of pretty damning reports about how useful it’s been in various industries (just look at Microslop). That is not conducive to convincing investors to fund your product and does not show a viable path to making a profit in the future.
We’ve seen similar things happening recently with car manufacturers walking back on their big touchscreens (with some help from regulation in civilized places that care about things like “pedestrian fatalities” - like Europe) due to consumer sentiment. They tried for nearly a decade to push bigger and bigger screens into cars and remove physical buttons, and now they’re moving in the other direction. Completely anecdotal evidence, but the last time I went to buy a car I told the salesman at the dealership that I wasn’t interested in cars newer than a certain year because that was when they increased the size of the screen and put them in a more obnoxious spot on the dashboard, and he said that he heard similar sentiments from practically everybody who came in looking to buy a car - everybody hated the bigger screens.
so explain it to them gently. you won’t reach everyone, but you’ll reach more people than accepting this status quo
whoosh
Nah
Yah
I had a coworker tell me how cool Copilot was because he asked it a question and it found the answer in an email in his outlook mailbox. I thought, “you needed AI to search your email?”
We are probably cooked.
After Anthropic refused flat out to agree to apply Claude AI to autonomous weapons and mass surveillance of American citizens, OpenAI jumps right into bed with the United States Department of War.
I think people are a little bit missing the important bit. This government wants to send out autonomous weapons along with mass surveillance. They’ll just murder anyone they want, if the AI gets it right in the first place.
Here we are in Running Man and no one sees it coming. This is why Stephen King is so against this administration. He predicted it.
Also, mass surveillance. Not surveillance itself. And fully autonomous weapons.
Don’t get distracted by the birdy folks, Anthropic is not your friend, or some great protector of the American people. They were already deeply embedded in the US Government as their product was the only one certified for use with classified documents.
They weren’t standing up for us, they were splitting hairs on exactly how far they’d openly go.
I’ve also seen statements that Anthropic’s stance against fully autonomous weapons was simply due to results not yet being as consistent as they were comfortable putting their name on, not due to any opposition towards use in/with weaponry.
OpenAI also claims to have the same limitations. So someone’s lying.
Amodei said in an interview that the DoW altered their contract to appear to compromise, so that it looked like they were agreeing to those use limits. But that legalese accompanying the updates rendered that text pointless. Basically, “We won’t use Claude for mass domestic surveillance and full automated killing, unless we really want to.” My guess is OpenAI signed the exact same contract and just pretended not to understand the toothlessness of the guardrails.
Or, even more ironically, maybe they used ChatGPT to analyze the changes and it missed it. This would tickle me to some extent, but also solidify the terror of such a system being used to make life altering decisions.
“Guardrail” and “toothless” are basically synonymous, based on the pile of evidence that these multi-billion-dollar tech companies have been helping people kill themselves and hide the evidence.
huh, I was right all along.
AI is fascism!
Use for “all lawful means” is quite the grey area considering no one was arrested or fired, or any law updated, for what Snowden leaked. If the NSA does it, no one will arrest the NSA.
I laughed when I read “all lawful means.”
Those are almost the exact words that you’re supposed to use for a NFA form 1 / 4 when registering certain types of firearms / firearms parts that require a tax stamp, and additional scrutiny.
When I did my SBR registration, it was “all lawful purposes…” but fuck, close enough…
