I understand why people are upset, but isn’t the operating system asking the user for age and then that age being used to get through service age gated the better path forward?
I would much rather be able to tell my computer I’m an adult and be able to go to an adult site and have it use that instead of the adult site having to handle the load of age verification. If the age is set per-user, kid profiles and parent profiles can both work to limit content for kids without impacting what the parents see. Hell, even just not having to click through those stupid steam prompts every time I look at a game with an m rating or whatever would be awesome. Especially since my account is over 18yo on its own…
Parental controls already exist. There is no reason to force this invasive bullshit on us. If parents want to restrict/monitor their kids online all the tools they need to do so are already available. The government need not be involved.
You’re identifying yourself lock-step to the government to run your computer. That telemetry is now theirs. Everything you ever do on that computer is now tracked or trackable to you and stored in a giant data center, probably eventually into a trained model of you.
You look at news about protestors, you leave a scathing review about a business supporting ICE, you post anonymously on a web forum that you’re displeased with the administration, All that needs to happen in the current climate is an executive order and the next time you go to update your passport or hop on a flight, you’re being detained as a terrorist.
Giving them this all willingly is a horrible idea and they will eventually use it against you.
The best analogy I’ve heard for this… "Parents to be doing the parenting, versus, a government doing parenting and unbeknownst apples it to everyone ". And it is speaking of widely available tools that are already available such as parental controls in routers, devices, etc.
The analogy discounts “little hackers” or minors that intentionally will break laws to get what they want; in which then no “age verification” service (made by anyone) will work in practice.
Windows has Limited User account, Family Safety in the control panel, and a advanced Firewall. 3rd party Net Nanny was\is a net filtering\alerting software that had visiting-server-side support in case the kid knew how to onion route or obfuscate a url or ip.
Androids can install firewall software like PersonalDNSFilter, AdGuardDNS, or RethinkDNS (the premium version creates for you a custom dns server – no software needed.
Androids have profiles built-in, that act like windows user accounts.
Pi-Hole is a hardware thing you attach to your network.
Windows has Limited User account, Family Safety in the control panel, and a advanced Firewall. 3rd party Net Nanny was\is a net filtering\alerting software that had visiting-server-side support in case the kid knew how to onion route or obfuscate a url or ip.
limited, as in, not an administrator? that does not help much with limiting a kids computer use.
family safety only works for the microsoft edge browser, which is not at all private. and it seems it requires a microsoft account, and accepting its shitty terms of service and privacy policy.
netnanny seems to require a microsoft account too.
Androids can install firewall software like PersonalDNSFilter, AdGuardDNS, or RethinkDNS (the premium version creates for you a custom dns server – no software needed.
and they can’t be just disabled by the user of the device, right?
these and pihole… are useful but not for this. even if they can’t disable the system VPN app, the kid just enables secure DNS in either firefox or chrome, and bam! its worked around.
Correct. A (non-admistrator) user of a Android cannot disable software. This too also applies to a Windows Limited user.
Pi-Hole + packet inspection + whitelisting + switch routing = universal lockdown against every known form of data obfuscation. This is now a server machine.
I understand why people are upset, but isn’t the operating system asking the user for age and then that age being used to get through service age gated the better path forward?
I would much rather be able to tell my computer I’m an adult and be able to go to an adult site and have it use that instead of the adult site having to handle the load of age verification. If the age is set per-user, kid profiles and parent profiles can both work to limit content for kids without impacting what the parents see. Hell, even just not having to click through those stupid steam prompts every time I look at a game with an m rating or whatever would be awesome. Especially since my account is over 18yo on its own…
Parental controls already exist. There is no reason to force this invasive bullshit on us. If parents want to restrict/monitor their kids online all the tools they need to do so are already available. The government need not be involved.
You’re identifying yourself lock-step to the government to run your computer. That telemetry is now theirs. Everything you ever do on that computer is now tracked or trackable to you and stored in a giant data center, probably eventually into a trained model of you.
You look at news about protestors, you leave a scathing review about a business supporting ICE, you post anonymously on a web forum that you’re displeased with the administration, All that needs to happen in the current climate is an executive order and the next time you go to update your passport or hop on a flight, you’re being detained as a terrorist.
Giving them this all willingly is a horrible idea and they will eventually use it against you.
The best analogy I’ve heard for this… "Parents to be doing the parenting, versus, a government doing parenting and unbeknownst apples it to everyone ". And it is speaking of widely available tools that are already available such as parental controls in routers, devices, etc.
The analogy discounts “little hackers” or minors that intentionally will break laws to get what they want; in which then no “age verification” service (made by anyone) will work in practice.
widely available? what kind of parental controls are available in
?
Windows has Limited User account, Family Safety in the control panel, and a advanced Firewall. 3rd party Net Nanny was\is a net filtering\alerting software that had visiting-server-side support in case the kid knew how to onion route or obfuscate a url or ip.
Androids can install firewall software like PersonalDNSFilter, AdGuardDNS, or RethinkDNS (the premium version creates for you a custom dns server – no software needed.
Androids have profiles built-in, that act like windows user accounts.
Pi-Hole is a hardware thing you attach to your network.
There should be plenty more.
limited, as in, not an administrator? that does not help much with limiting a kids computer use.
family safety only works for the microsoft edge browser, which is not at all private. and it seems it requires a microsoft account, and accepting its shitty terms of service and privacy policy.
netnanny seems to require a microsoft account too.
and they can’t be just disabled by the user of the device, right?
these and pihole… are useful but not for this. even if they can’t disable the system VPN app, the kid just enables secure DNS in either firefox or chrome, and bam! its worked around.
Correct. A (non-admistrator) user of a Android cannot disable software. This too also applies to a Windows Limited user.
Pi-Hole + packet inspection + whitelisting + switch routing = universal lockdown against every known form of data obfuscation. This is now a server machine.
switch routing? what is that? and what solution do you use for packet inspection?