Whelp, looks like I’m going to Motorola
One of the main thing id size of phones, pixel has a series which are comparitevely smaller but I dont know if Moto has any small phones. If only moto make a small phone too, it will be awesome
They have folding phones that’s are smallish
I’d rather a 6 inches and under small phone than a folderble.
Nah man i am out. Folding phones dont feel practical to me.
Yep, if only these damn manufacturers would actually give a bit of care and cater to our damned needs.
is this only on their graphine devices? or are they leaving their android stock devices unlockable as well
I haven’t seen them say anything about their older phones so I would assume this only applies to the new one
I was meaning more of their Android by default phones, like most retailers are going to only sell the android version
they specify the grapheneos devices so I’m assuming they have a dedicated graphene OS product line.
Exactly my thoughts/concerns. I seem to remember Motorola has a decent reputation when it comes to unlocking bootloaders, though.
I expected no less.
Hopefully this initiative sticks, sounds like my next phone (eventually) might just be Motorola/Graphene.
As long as they have basic shit like NFC or wireless charging. One of the main reasons I stopped buying them. 2nd was the tablet sized screens.
I quite like my Razr. I’m sure if they’re aiming to be a true alternative to the mainstream OSs, they’ll be including many of the mainstream features
I’m old school, I remember when NFC was used for stuff like domotics
Because its grapheneos you will likely have NFC, but whether you have tap-for-payment options will be a crapshoot, especially in North America, unless having an official vendor changes things with grapheneos’s play store integrity issue (which is doubtful).
Best shot is that EU will make it possible, as they distance themselves from US tech right now.
Its an issue that, currently, banks have to resolve by either developing (see certain EU banks that have done so) or supporting an NFC card management app that doesn’t require the highest level of the google play security thing to function.
I doubt EU legislation can fix this, and I doubt Canadian banks will care enough to do anything to support anything beyond apple pay and google pay.
I never realized you could have NFC and not tap-for-payment support. Is that not how tap-for-payment works?
The apps that enable tap-for-payment ask your bank for permission and some security details to activate using cards for NFC.
In North America, banks won’t give that permission/security info to any android app but google pay, and only if the play store verification thing says the OS is fully secure - and google pretends grapheneos doesn’t hit those security metrics.
So yes, NFC is how tap-for-payment works, but unless NA banks implement it themselves, or trust a 3rd party that isn’t google to implement it, grapheneos phones are blocked from using the tap-for-payment functionality.
That’s… Fucking stupid. But it’s to be expected from greedy, overly powerful tech corporations I suppose.
NFC is just the technology that tap for payment uses, but there are other use cases for it.
I’m aware of that, but I wasn’t aware of the much more stringent (non-technical) requirements for tap to pay
Fair enough. I misinterpreted your comment.
Tap to pay is whatever but I do use NFC for some home automatons.
What you use for home automation if you’re into open source and security?
I use the term home automation loosely. Mostly I use it for initiating Tasker scripts at home with a single tap.
I can’t imagine grapheneos shipping on a phone without NFC.
…I wish I had the money to play with homeassistant for random things.
One of the largest complaints of Pixels I’ve seen is that they’re too expensive. These will cost twice as much.
I don’t think I have ever heard that for the a series. That if fact, I have always heard that it is just about the best price-value on the market, the downside being that it is google and no SD card slot (which is common now). They use the flagship chip in it still, right?
What? When I was buying my last phone prev gen Pixel cost me 1/3 of what I would have to pay for a Fairphone. It’s the exact opposite, less popular phones with long support are way too expensive compared to Pixel.
I agree, and yet that is the complaint I hear over and over. I don’t understand it, but it is.
Historically, the problem with Motorola hasn’t been their os, it’s been their hardware, it’s just usually not very good when compared to the competition. And often the price is higher for what you’re getting.
I grant that Motorola may neglect to go top of the line (e.g. there’s no ‘flagship grade’ non-folding phone on offer right now), but price wise, at least in the US, it seems to be in line with other options and the cheaper options are generally motorola.
Is this US or elsewhere? What are the better value competition in the mid-lower range.
Damn, Motorola may really make a comeback with this!
Its funny seeing everyone here demand an sdcard/removable battery/3.5mm jack claiming to represent all GOS users, actually looking at the GOS matrix chat I don’t see any of these people there. Do any of you even use GOS?
I can see how big corporations would use this for security reasons. Niche but great market.
Stop, I can only get so erect
Does anyone know when such devices are expected to hit the market? Within 2 years would be nice
Ultra based Motorola
I’m kinda excited for this phone. But I’m unemployed so I probably won’t get it. 😂
Anyone know a release date, I was looking at getting a Pixel for it soon.
Part of their next gen release, so probably 1 year after their most recent refresh cycle
Well yeah. I doubt the GrapheneOS team would allow anything less.
Fantastic. Excellent news! I would expect nothing less.
