I don’t think these people will ever realize anything, not until it severely fucks with their quality of life at least
It will severely suck very, very soon. As soon as they destabilize govs enough to get away with severe abuse of info.
Edit: they are destabilizing the ahit out of them quickly. This world is now a nightmare and not worth living in. But yeah, let’s criminalize abortions for kids who parents can’t afford them so they can be condemned to evergrowing poverty, shittier qualities of life, and depression. Yay!
That’s how you make work slaves …
already fucked. Frog, boiling water etc.
Also “No time to protest, need to pay those bills somehow”. And then “Too tired to protest”. I don’t like it but I understand.
I’ve reconciled within myself that I’m not much of a fighter anyway, but I would like to help strengthen the people who are!
The quality of life is already fucked, and that’s what caused those people to rally behind current regimes who promised to fix everything using whatever opportunistic buzzwords like immigrants or national volk, turning to reaction.
I mean the lack of privacy directly fucking them over. They have already proven to be unable to extrapolate actions leading to consequences beyond like 1 or 2 steps.
“Ultimately, arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”
— Edward Snowden
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No, they still don’t fucking get it. I’m so frustrated, I just stopped trying.
I’ve tried helping some spicy leftist groups and I’m still floored by how little the groups of people care who should absolutely know better. They will talk a big game but when it actually comes to implementation everyone immediately goes all “nothing to hide” like their years of constant guillotine reacts and memes won’t be pulled out in court the second they try to argue entrapment against some bullshit ci/undercover op.
I don’t think many people realize how aggressive a digital search warrant can get if you or someone dumber than you fucks around and finds that main character energy. At the end of the day you gotta absolutely minimize the amount of data that’s retained long term on systems.
Yep it’s frustrating. The convenience argument doesn’t hold true anymore either. There was once a time where encrypted messaging services and self-hosted solutions were much trickier to on-board. That’s not the case anymore and even with the ability to just download and launch some software that does all this for you people still choose oppressive and unsafe technologies / providers.
We are literally living in a horribly written sci-fi movie with so many incompetent villains, that are all trying to take over at once. Never let anyone have access to your life unless they have a very good reason. You’re not ‘hiding’ anything, you are preventing unscrupulous individuals from exploiting you. Do you leave your car or home unlocked with the keys in the door? Preventing a crime before it happens is the reason Privacy is important.
Do you leave your car or home unlocked with the keys in the door?
This is the best analogy, but people still don’t get it because those doors & locks are invisible to them. It’s all just technobabble to them, and the companies providing all that are doing their worst to keep it that way.
Most people have been trained from a young age to value convenience over basically everything else. People also don’t like to step out of their comfort zone, and not having social media is seen by some as a social taboo and as isolationary by some.
Most people have been trained from a young age to value convenience over basically everything else.
This is the deal. Yes. People, at least here in the US, equate personal liberty with convenience; which is why you saw people willing to kidnap governors over being forced to wear a facemask, or attacking Red Lobster employees for being slow in bringing another basket of cheese biscuits.
Also why dead kids aren’t enough to get real progress on gun control.
I think when these tariffs really roll downhill and the supply chain is reconfigured within the next two years, the real and permanent impacts of Donald’s cavalier and reckless economic policies will be in full effect.
I have trouble dating. People keep asking me how I expect to date without Instagram.
Fuck this timeline.
Yep, inter-socially policed techno fascism is here to stay. I haven’t had a cellphone for 2 years. The amount of objective problems this causes in my life is somewhere between negligible to none. The amount of social problems this causes me is endless - people become personally offended that they can’t demand to chat with me at their liberty.
I can assure you, most of them still don’t care.
This is accurate. I have a degoogled phone, no mainstream social media, and Linux OS. I have talked to my wife about the reason for my choices, so she is not ignorant about privacy or data gathering issues. She still uses Instagram and Facebook etc. And while she is a bit alarmed at bill C-2 being tabled in Canada (which would share Canadian private citizen info with the USA) I doubt she will think about it next week.
I can’t even get her to use a password manager properly. She used the same password everywhere and it scares me.
One of my kids was doing that with password123 etc. I have explained how you may not care that your gym account gets hacked, its the fact that they will try those credentials with your bank account, etc.
You’re too optimistic here. Such people will only realise their error if something bad happens to them that also screams at them that it was only possible because of their privacy eroding. They don’t usually connect the dots themselves.
The French need to bring back public square executions for the ruling class.
Sorry sir, we’re all out of feudal aristocracy to execute and proletariat is too busy rallying behind their favorite ruling class public figure, so the best you’ll get is ruling class on ruling class violence, with workers being the ones who die the most as a result and status quo not changing
Out of the loop here. What incident(s) brought about this realisation?
Basically, we’ve been waiting since the early 2010s for people in the “i have nothing to hide club” to figure out why they should protect their info. Now, they have built psychological profiles on us all to the point that their surveillance algos know what we are doing before we do. When the government further destabilizes just a little bit, everything we’ve ever done will be used against us. They will ramp up the abise as soon as they can get away with it. God help these company executives who are furries on the weekend and have unicorn tail buttplugs at parties. So many people are going to be cancelled over puritain rhetoric for nonsense tribial quirks that nobody should give af about.
If they’re coming for us anyway then give them a middle finger instead of a whimper. Wear your buttplug with pride.
I think the latest one is tea app.
https://apnews.com/article/tea-app-data-breach-leak-4chan-c95d5bb2cabe9d1b8ec0ca8903503b29
This guy’s fucked
When raising awareness with my friends I ask them about their sexual preferences. They all laugh and say its obvious wheyer they’re straight, gay or whatever and then I say I one really asked for that. I ask them to disclose how they get off. Their filthiest porn fantasies. Then it gets a bit more difficult for them but it’s all ask giggles. Next question is the exact amount on their bank account and their exact monthly wage. Strangely, that’s something most of them won’t disclose. I ask for their insecurities and they go with superficial things but when I keep pushing about the real insecurities it get hard for them.
When I explain that what they find hard to share with a friend of most likely out in the open for sale with data brokers they get uncomfortable.
Social media knows how much you visit you coworkers profile and get you have a crush on therm. Porn sites know your deepest desires. Amazon had a pretty good insight in your earnings.
It’s all our there so use a decent VPN , block as many trackers as you can and at least use fake online profiles as much as you can. It’s a start and not as difficult or bothersome as it seems.
Are there any resources that compile a good counter-argument to this?
I’d hope current events would be the counter argument. Take your pick regarding country/continent and event. I’m being intentionally vague to ensure I don’t run afoul of the rules of the sidebar, but there are legitimately many examples currently, some mentioned by others in this discussion.
I should add that events such as “You’ve been doing X which has always been legal for your entire life, but now worldchangingevent or policychange has happened and it’s no longer legal, and they are persecuting people for it” have always been pretty plausible hypotheticals. We just have modern, current examples of how wrong that can go now.
Let’s have a little online conference on lemmy to discuss ways to get people to care more about their privacy. Things might be different than 2010 now:
- people are definitely waking up to reality of fascism.
- privacy-conscious apps (both FOSS and closed) are now more convenient than ever.
maybe we just need the correct memes (in the Dawkins sense) to infect people with to make privacy a major issue on people’s minds.
