“AI vegans”
ffs, just publish an article with a single clownemoji for the same effect.
The big corporations desperately want AI to be popular because they’ve thrown literally insane amounts of money at it and still don’t know how to monetize it.
There’s going to be a huge push to make it seem like everyone loves it and it’s weird not to use it constantly
It’s going to go horribly and come off like that “fellow kids” meme, exactly like this headline
MBA dweebs running VC firms wanna desperately replace people with AI for short term profits.
This is it.
A good example were those Apple AI ads. So cringe. Google’s ads aren’t much better but at least Gemini works.
still don’t know how to monetize it.
They do know how to monetize it. API access generated $1Billion in 2023. There’s also huge R&D potential in fields like genetic research and medicine.
Profitability is another question though. Likely we’re waiting for advances in cold fusion or late stage renewable development for energy costs to go down enough.
They do know how to monetize it. API access generated $1Billion in 2023.
And all that $1B revenue cost them was a $5B loss! https://www.wheresyoured.at/howmuchmoney/
Yes my second paragraph alleged as much. Not that you read that far of course.
Ironically he could have asked AI to summarize it.
Thank you.
As much as I hate AI… I think I hate the people who hate AI more lol
AI having to wait on cold fusion for profitability is one of the funnier concepts I’ve heard today, thank you.
I know, I regularly sleep with one of the researchers involved with several similar pojects (aren’t I cool). Fascinating stuff though! Very much not comparable to commercial LLMs, though.
People pay for the “premium” because they believe the makers who said it can increase their profitability and make them money.
My employer keeps trying to shove it down our throats too.
They’re desperate to find anyway to make it reduce work, be cause they’ve already paid for it under the assumption it would let them cut staffing
Now they’re finding out they got swindled, do you think they’ll re-up on AI?
The AI companies offloaded how to monetize it to consumers and scared them into being left behind unless they discovered how to use it.
It’s a short term bubble.
AI in this form has been used for like 15 years, to generate trillions of dollars worth of value. I think you’re just talking specifically about ChatGPT and consumer-facing LLMs.
AI in this form has been used for like 15 years, to generate trillions of dollars worth of value
Suuuuuuuuuuure it has…
lol ok. I’ve literally done it. Please, go enlighten yourself on google.
“Enlighten yourself” you mean make your argument for you?
You do you bb. Keep believing whatever makes you feel best.
Sounds kinda like you’ve got nothing and you know it
It’s quite common for me to be annoyed, angry, or upset at a headline writer. Then there’s the feeling I got reading “Meet the AI vegans.”
Whole new level.
Its so wacky out there. When I read something like this I’m sure its The Onion. And its not. Then I read a headline about US politics and its totally believable , alas its The Onion.
I refuse to believe this title is anything other than engagement-bait, personally.
Seems to me you‘re a BS vegan.
Yeah, pretty disappointing to see from the Guardian.
This is such a stupid name for this.
Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That’s not how any of this works.
It’s like how they put the word gate after something to say that it is a scandal involving the former word.
Somesort of political scandal involving road maintenance? Oh yes well that’s roadgate then. Even though the Watergate scandal was in fact it scandal in the watergate hotel, rather than a scandal about water.
Someday we’ll have Gate gate, or maybe even another scandal at the Watergate complex, so Watergate gate.
I can’t wait!
Awe so the article author has a vendetta against vegans got it.
I mean, abstaining from animal products makes someone a vegan, right? If you abstain from AI products then it would follow that you’re an “AI vegan”.
It follows, but it is also feels like click bait.
A definition of vegan is:
A vegetarian who eats plant products only, especially one who uses no products derived from animals, as fur or leather.
There is an environmental parallel, and it made me read the article to see what they were on about – so I guess it worked.
To be clear, I am very pro environment (I live in it); I just feel like this is crossing the streams of related, but completely different movements, isn’t particularly helpful.
Abstaining from animal products is just vegetarian. Veganism requires an extremely strict adherence to a very specific set of rules concerning animals.
Vegetarians can eat cheese, which is an animal product.
how to belittle and minimize a very serious thing: call any protesters of it a " ___ vegan"
They are “journalism vegans”. They are choosing to abstain from actual journalism for clickbaiting, herd mentality, and personal lack of skill reasons.
Why are you dissing on vegans? Veganism is legit, bro.
I’m not dissing on them. I am simply aware of how they are perceived in society.
It’s not cool to use “vegan” like this.
It’s like vegangate or something.
“Newspaper which uses AI to write its articles concocts derogatory term for people who doesn’t use AI”
Imo vegan shouldn’t be seen as derogatory. I’m not one, but got a lot of respect for most of em.
it shouldn’t, but years of lobbying and demonization online certainly have made it so
Wow, thank you so much for sharing this. What a major blow to the Guardian’s credibility
It was short lived. It is often called the Grauniad because of poor quality typos etc. historically.
Got a source for the Guardian no longer using AGI? Given a ‘desperately trying to convince people that AI is cool’ title like this, discontinued use seems highly unlikely
I was referring to their credibility being short lived. I have no idea of their AGI usage. I’m still annoyed that when the UK Labour party had a left wing leader, they spent a lot of effort discrediting him. They’re usually crap on Israel/Palestine and have been historically pro-zionist on the UK site.
This makes about as much sense as calling Linux users “Windows vegans”.
Choosing to not use AI isn’t some wacky contrarian position, it’s a tame position that can easily be justified. (Don’t want to use AI? Then don’t.) If anything, trying to assert that constantly using AI for everything would be the new normal is the wacky position.
Not eating animals is not a wacky contrarian position either, and I’m not even vegan
So I’m gonna play devil’s advocate here and say that it is. Look at your teeth, humans are omnivores. Cutting out half the diet you evolved to consume is in fact a contriarian position. Not that I have any issues with vegans or vegetarians, just from an anatomical point of view we were designed to eat some meat! I do think calling people who don’t use AI “AI vegans” is absurd though, as diet has absolutely nothing to do with use of AI. Would be more accurate to say their AI fasting if we’re gonna use food related terms.
It’s natural to eat animal products, but many humans try to live by ethical standards, not just instincts and traditions. Just because the stronger caveman used to be able to just bash their neighbor’s head in and take their belongings, doesn’t make it acceptable by today’s standards. So while I do agree with your initial assessment, considering that we have the option nowadays to have a healthy diet based on non animal products, I would also agree with the previous comment saying that it is not wacky contrarian to eat / live vegan.
By definition contrarian is somebody who opposes or rejects popular opinion. So yes by definition being vegan is contrarian lmfao. Not saying I have any issues with it there’s nothing wrong with being vegan I’m just saying it is by definition contrarian to be vegan. And nothing wrong with being contrarian either! Judging by the votes on my original comment, it appears that me stating veganism is contrarian was in fact a contrarian opinion lmfao. I regularly have vegetarian and vegan meals, and I love my meat. Hopefully people didn’t get the wrong idea about my opinions on veganism as there are no negative ones from me …
As I said, Iagreed with your initial comment, but also the previous one. And I don’t think the word contrarian is very well applicable to this situation, because it is not about opinions as much as it is about personal preferences. I wouldn’t call it contrarian that I like brussel sprouts when many people do not…
It is wacky/contrarian as we are still eating meat normally. LLM is stiiiill soso, but soon wacky/contrarian will also apply to not using it, sadly
People, eat shit. Billions of flies can’t be wrong…
Kiiiinda confused. Am I fly? Nah, I am a human. And most of us eat mixed diet. That’s normal. Baseline. So, eating only veggies is wacky. Same with eating only meat.
This guy has the definition of a metaphor on hand but apparently can’t look up what contrarian means 🤣
It may be natural to eat animals, but in modern society it is definitely not necessary. I eat some meat, but I respect those who don’t.
This^ our global market has made veganism a very healthy option considering we can get foods grown in other environments that are protein rich and such. I think if you were limited to only what’s local, being a healthy vegan would be a lot harder but having access to all manner of foods these days makes it easy
Imagine thinking that veganism is “wacky”.
i wonder if they came up with such term to mock those who dont want to use ai and possibly actual vegans on the side.
They use to mock us with “Luddite” but the Technologists looked into that actual movement (rather than the caricature) and agreed, “yeah sure, like them”. That took the sting out of the pejorative, so they picked another mocked group to connect it with.
What bullshif us this?
A. I vegan is a nonesence title.
How about " people who don’t want the world to end even faster tell corps to fuck off"
You kind of summarized being vegan
I applaud folks like this - they make a choice and stick with it. No “I’ll never use AI to generate art but I vibe code to save time” hypocrisy. No “I use it to help me with maths, but I’d never use it to steal artistic work”.
Just straight up “it is an environmental hazard, it is unethical, not engaging”. Should be called “AI Ethicists” rather than “AI Vegans”.
Starting it with “AI” is already misleading. Whatever the noun is should be preceded by “Anti-AI.”
I dunno, the use of AI Ethicist fits as they’re not against the concept of generative AI as a whole, they’re against unethical generative AI (in terms of stolen training data and environmental harm).
If the world transitioned to a post-IP (intellectual property) society (as we need to), with AI eating less power, then AI Ethicists are unlikely to object.
Fair!
And here i am not using it because I’m old and cranky.
I just don’t use it because it’s shit and doesn’t do anything I need any better than I can do myself in the same time.
“Hey why don’t you use this tool you don’t need? It does the thing worse than you do and also fucks up the planet in the process!”
I refuse to use it because it’s shit.
We are not the same.
Every last bit of it? What is your stance on use of AI for tasks such as data analysis of massive sets for scientific research, or procedural automation of massive operations?
AI doesn’t exist, machine learning algorithms can be useful and are used with no controversy, generative bullshit is basically useless.
You’re using a lot of very loosely defined terms with a lot of certainty. Machine learning is AI, we just usually apply it to the more simple versions of it. Where do you personally draw the line? I fully understand the plethora of risks, downsides, and injustices that can potentially be involved in the matter, but I legitimately don’t understand the extremist level hatred that some people express to anything that could hold the title of AI. To me, it parallels with someone saying that they hate ionizing radiation. Frequently, it’s also bad, and your entirely reasonable to try and avoid it on a daily basis, but it also has many uses that are beneficial and life-saving.
Im also a gun vegan, a car vegan, a facebook vegan, an exercise vegan (unfortunately), a windows vegan, … just not actual vegan.
I feel like thats a bad way to use the word vegan.
Yeah… It’s just abstaining from something. Veganism didn’t invent that. Dumb headline
Shitty click baity title
