Under this scenario Russia would have military and economic control of occupied Ukraine under its own governing body, imitating Israel’s de facto rule of Palestinian territory seized from Jordan in 1967.
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Witkoff, who is also tasked by Trump with bringing peace to the Middle East, is understood to support the idea, which the Americans believe circumvents barriers in the Ukrainian constitution to ceding territory without holding an “all-Ukraine” referendum.
I assume that also means that Russia would then send in state-sponsored terrorists in the guise of “settlers” to murder the Ukrainians and incrementally steal their land, and send in the army to slaughter them if they dare to fight back.
Russia / Ukraine is asymmetric, but not nearly as much so as Israel / Palestine. I can’t see every tactic working the same all the way down the line.
Not every tactic - no.
And Russia is introducing some novel tactics of its own, like kidnapping and indoctrinating Ukrainian children.
I have little doubt though that the broad strategy is exactly the same - what they can’t take immediately, they intend to take incrementally.
And in fact, that’s essentially what they’re already announcing to the world. They can’t be unaware of the fact that, to much of the world, stating that they’re patterning the proposed occupation after the West Bank is effectively stating outright that they fully intend for Russia to then incrementally steal everything and to kill anyone who tries to stop them.
West Bank-style occupation
How’s that working out?
depends on who you ask
BECAUSE THAT’S WORKED OUT SO WELL
Dammit. It’s not an Onion post
That’s colonialism. You’re just describing colonialism.
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They really think Ukrainians are that stupid, don’t they.
It isn’t a question of stupidity. It’s a question of power.
Without Western arms and armor to hold territory, both Israel and Russia can just seize the land and kill anyone who objects.
Ukrainians can know it’s bullshit in the same way the Palestinians (or Armenians or Tutsis or Rohingra Muslims) can know they are getting a raw deal. But what are they going to do about it, except eat lead?
The way to deal with a raw deal is to say “no deal”. Appeasement of tyrants and bullies just strengthens their position and encourages them to take more. They’ll never stop, because they’re never actually satisfied, there is no such thing as having “taken enough” and eventually they’re going to make up reasons they need more. It never ends. That’s why we must fight tyranny to the death, to the last man, never give in, and be willing to die for what we believe in. Maybe what we believe in is wrong, but it’s better than living in a world you can’t accept anymore. Vichy France is not a good place to be. We learned these lessons after WW2, we knew tyranny had taken refuge in the Soviet Union and called itself communism, but eventually they too fell, and we thought we had found the answer to it, because we had defeated the Soviet Union with trade and peace and prosperity, we thought we could kill tyranny itself with trade and peace and prosperity. The long peace throughout and afterwards made us lazy and apathetic to the inherent dangers of tyranny and fascism, but nope, it wasn’t gone at all, it was festering below the surface and now it’s come back, seemingly everywhere all at once. And we’re going to have to learn these lessons again and understand why people were willing to die for our freedom.
The way to deal with a raw deal is to say “no deal”.
Obviously the folks in the West Bank are just too stupid to take this advise.
It’s not their fault the entire western world supports Israel’s genocidal zionist ideals. They have been put in a no-win situation. By us. We are sometimes the baddies. Just like we were when we genocided the peoples of the Americas and enslaved Africa. I am not trying to excuse whataboutisms going back centuries and millennia. We are not our ancestors, and I am not my government. But we have inherited and participated in the systems they put in place, and no matter how entrenched and complex those things we must continue trying to fix them. Giving up and accepting “the reality” is not an option.
Ukrainians are exceptionally innovative on the battlefield. The longer this drags on, the more likely Russia will lose. Putin needs a win for internal optics just as much as Ukraine needs arms and fighters.
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I find the whole westbank occupation style metaphor, whether the real one or the proposed one, the highest insult against human rights and International law right now. They are defaecating the world with their literal screwed up wordview of a horrendous reality, and imposing it as a peace proposal they can boast about. How despicable and low can you go, they keep breaking records… They are soulless, heartless ruthless poor examples of humanity.
Go f&@k yourself! - Quote from Stephen Colbert & Jon Stewart
The ONLY country that has a say in this is Ukraine. Back to the 2014 borders. Slava Ukraini!
Oof. They’re actually looking at the occupied territories as some kind of diplomatic model for how Russia can keep the land but Ukraine can still say that it is theirs in name. Who the fuck looks at Palestine as a model to follow for fucking anything?? This is truly ghoulish.
I can’t help to find it a bit ironic after Zelensky kept praising Israel and saw it as a model for Ukraine.
Now Ukraine is set to get the Palestine treatment of slow ethnic cleansing and slow genocide, which at some point will culminate in a fast ethnic cleansing and fast genocide after the rest of the world has been trained to look away.
I hear the US is planning that with Greenland and Panama
