AmeriKKKa is uniparty on foreign policy. This exact outcome would have happened under a Harris administration, except they would have kept up the kayfabe, so I would have had to spend hours debating with shitlibs like you that this war is in fact just about oil.
If you wanna play “shame Olympics”, liberals should be fucking ashamed for losing to the fucking fascists twice, giving the keys of the kingdom to the fascist twice, doing fucking nothing with their political power every time they had it, and barely even pretending to offer a political program worth fighting for.
Yes, pragmatically speaking, voting for Biden does absolutely fucking nothing to alleviate any of the problems faced by the working class. It doesn’t affect the onward progression of capitalism, it doesn’t stop the racists from controlling the government, doesn’t stop the cops from murdering black people, doesn’t stop the erasure of LGBTQIA lives, doesn’t do anything.
The pragmatic options are to first stabilize your own situation, and then organize popular resistance and do direct actions if you have the bandwidth.
The amount of people who voted republican completely obliterates the tiny fraction of people who abstained from voting democrat. How about directing focus where it’s relevant?
There’s been polling analysis that showed if you forced everyone to vote then Harris would have lost to Trump by an even bigger margin due to the unpopularity of the administration at the time. Nonvoters didn’t make a difference. Michigan was won by Trump by a bigger margin than all college students or Arabs or Muslims or any other minority group in the state.
It’s a weird world where you blame the public for not voting for a flawed candidate rather than the candidate for not being flawed. It’s like blaming an audience for not laughing at the comedian on stage.
Harris made a conscious choice to avoid pandering to certain constituencies (in hopes it would pay off by gaining conflicted Republican voters) and that gamble went wrong as people warned it would.
But the moral prohibition on siding with any administration that endorses genocide will force a different flavor of the exact same logic that centrist liberalism has depended on for so long: hold your nose and align with the least worst thing. Only the least worst thing will no longer be the mild, ethics-agnostic emptiness of modern Western liberalism, nor will it be the multitude of barbaric authoritarians and their secret prisons. It will be communal solidarity, or else nothing, a walking away from all of this. Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to make it close.
— Omar El-Akkad, One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, correction mine
Maybe they went to an Arkansas school, or any other american one that teaches people to only support the terrible system.
But hey! You voted right so you can be smug and its only fair you get to point your impotent rage at those who did not vote the way you did. And next time when the two parties are both somehow worse you can once again vote for the lesser evil!
Republican voters voted for this. Non-voters didn’t vote, hence the name. I can’t believe I have to tell you this. Even if there wasn’t a single non-voter, nothing would’ve changed. Try directing your douchebag attitude towards those who are actually responsible.
I agree that saying “non-voters voted for” anything is basically absurd, but people sitting on the couch rather than voting did affect the outcome of the 2024 election. A bit over three million fewer people voted in 2024 versus 2020.
Yes, the second and first most voted elections in your nations history. Clearly it is the small number of voters that are not supportive of the only two options at fault.
Managed democracy is meant to be a joke, but the real joke is the attitude on display from americans that somehow still think they live in a democracy.
All the people making excuses for why their vote clearly didn’t matter so they were better off not voting obviously aren’t making excuses themselves. That would be silly!
Every non-voter was fine with this outcome because they couldn’t sack up and make the less bad choice. If you see a car coming towards a child in the road and do nothing you are still partly responsible if they get hit. They allowed it to happen through their inaction.
The amount of people who sat home on voting day outweighs both republican and democrat voters. Apathy won the last presidential election, just like every election in recent memory.
While true, a Pew study found that “if all Americans eligible to vote in 2024 had cast ballots, the overall margin in the popular vote likely would not have been much different”.
Bologna. There are not enough conservative voters in virtually any nation to win in an election that progressive voters actually turn out to. Conservatives only win when progressives don’t vote; conservatives NEVER don’t vote.
“tiny fraction of people” millions of registered D voters sat it out
The DNC knew that Harris campaign pursuing Republican votes would cost her the election. She knew it, too, she’s not dumb.
Independents outnumber Ds and Rs; if you ignore your own Democrats and ignore Independents and pursue Republican votes, you will lose every time.
The math requires you to keep your own voters AND acquire Independent votes. There’s no way around it, not enough Ds exist, even if all had voted you still need I votes.
This is why Democratic campaigns are otherwise always focused on D and I votes.
Why did they ignore the fundamentals? You decide… but recall that she raised over a billion dollars in a few months, whilst Trump raised only 900 million in four years.
yeah but then how could libs feel smugly superior?
they’d rather blame the tiny fraction of people with principles rather than the third of the country that is actively fascist, because politically, they’re closer to the fascists
Because they are the ones that knew but chose to play some bullshit game instead of putting their bullshit aside for the reality they knew was there but just made them a bit uncomfortable.
The republicans were impossible to blame as they are totally convinced a whole fantasy reality and can’t be held accountable by blaming as much as they see it as a personal attack and vindicates them if not put in language they understand.
Tell the republicans to fuck themselves and it helps to remind them they’re supporting a pedo and a warmongerer. Hold them accountable with specifics actions. Not a general you shouldn’t have voted for him because fantasyland reasoning
Oh I know this one, its the two party system pretending to be a democracy right?
But I am things are bad because the wrong team is in power, and if they turn out to be great it is all due to the brave right team. But hey good thing you are there to “do their thinking for them entirely”!
Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.
You need therapy and a fucking wake up call. This is reality not some ideological victimhood posturing contest. The two party system controlled by the media and the monetary powers that be ran shit this time around easily (along with Russian gov misinformation campaigning)
So spelled out. It was not a good time to take that fight and were all getting fucked up now because you fucked up your turn.
Figure if they come for you, your family or a loved one and send them to some hellhole that might that might help you understand that. But have fun winning your “The world has to work how I want it before I participate” award. Wasn’t worth it IMO.
Learn to play the actual game or get fucked by those that already do. Good fucking luck next turn
Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.
And you see no issues with this statement? You need the wake up call, you live in a hellscape that is actively making the world worse and just assume I do too. You and your american exceptionalism can go to hell. The best time to fight was before and the next best time is now.
Please do the world a favor and ether fix your shit nation or collapse already.
Mod removed my comment for being “uncivil” that’s pathetic in the extreme considering the abuse of that very concept was extremely justly responding to
Suck a whole fuck you clown. The dumbasses in your countries population arent immune to disinformation campaigns and the media powers that be. Its just not useful enough to fuck up. Yet.
So how about you fuck off back to doing exactly nothing and enjoy it while it lasts.
Get fucked telling me to fucking fix my nation or collapse. I live here. Hope you fucking get personally effected by this shit
What’s the definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Well, I’ve been voting “blue no matter who” for damn near 30 years now, and shit has not changed for the better. Society has changed for the better in some ways, but that is not being represented in our government.
I’m starting to think my vote for Nader was the sanest thing I’ve ever done in my civic life.
I’d hardly take criticism from so called leftists regarding smugness.
Blaming “liberals” for not voting on “principle” (re: ego) while they sit on their asses telling everyone else to form an armed rebellion instead certainly aren’t smug bastards themselves.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
AmeriKKKa is uniparty on foreign policy. This exact outcome would have happened under a Harris administration, except they would have kept up the kayfabe, so I would have had to spend hours debating with shitlibs like you that this war is in fact just about oil.
If you wanna play “shame Olympics”, liberals should be fucking ashamed for losing to the fucking fascists twice, giving the keys of the kingdom to the fascist twice, doing fucking nothing with their political power every time they had it, and barely even pretending to offer a political program worth fighting for.
Ah gotta love the insults (and b b b b b b biden bad!). Ciao.
Of course Biden bad! Biden could have ended the Gaza genocide with a single fucking phone call! Are you a genocide supporter?!?
It’s amazing they’re only upset about insults after starting off with them
Trump, of course, being so much better.
Pragmatism beats principles every day of the week. The problem is it makes weak-willed people scared.
Yes, pragmatically speaking, voting for Biden does absolutely fucking nothing to alleviate any of the problems faced by the working class. It doesn’t affect the onward progression of capitalism, it doesn’t stop the racists from controlling the government, doesn’t stop the cops from murdering black people, doesn’t stop the erasure of LGBTQIA lives, doesn’t do anything.
The pragmatic options are to first stabilize your own situation, and then organize popular resistance and do direct actions if you have the bandwidth.
Kamala. Supported. The. Genocide.
Yea? How’s that lookin currently?
The other instead is the genocide
Oh? Thank God she never got to be president
Oh shut up already, Gaza is totally saved because you didn’t fucking vote
Please note that Presidents are NOT elected by popular vote, this is all worthless posturing.
We’re about to get more than one genocide thanks to people like them.
The USA famously never invaded or bombed any country during Democrat administration /s
Obama bombed the shit out of people his entire term. Including an American citizen.
The amount of people who voted republican completely obliterates the tiny fraction of people who abstained from voting democrat. How about directing focus where it’s relevant?
I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
There’s been polling analysis that showed if you forced everyone to vote then Harris would have lost to Trump by an even bigger margin due to the unpopularity of the administration at the time. Nonvoters didn’t make a difference. Michigan was won by Trump by a bigger margin than all college students or Arabs or Muslims or any other minority group in the state.
I think you’re trying to assign blame. Again, I am informing non-protest-voters what they voted for.
That’s not what they voted for.
It’s a weird world where you blame the public for not voting for a flawed candidate rather than the candidate for not being flawed. It’s like blaming an audience for not laughing at the comedian on stage.
Harris made a conscious choice to avoid pandering to certain constituencies (in hopes it would pay off by gaining conflicted Republican voters) and that gamble went wrong as people warned it would.
Funny that you are still coming back almost 2 weeks later, only to ignore what I said, and continue on.
And called it, you are trying assign blame. So again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Ciao.
— Omar El-Akkad, One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, correction mine
That argument works when the difference is small.
That argument doesn’t work when one option is a cataclysmic disaster
Implying that a Harris/second Biden administration wouldn’t be a cataclysmic disaster
Implying that any outcome where AmeriKKKa continues to exist and destroy our world wouldn’t be a cataclysmic disaster
If you can not understand a difference in scale then your school years was a cataclysmic disaster
Maybe they went to an Arkansas school, or any other american one that teaches people to only support the terrible system.
But hey! You voted right so you can be smug and its only fair you get to point your impotent rage at those who did not vote the way you did. And next time when the two parties are both somehow worse you can once again vote for the lesser evil!
You can move to a dictatorship if you want to be relieved of the option to vote wrong
Republican voters voted for this. Non-voters didn’t vote, hence the name. I can’t believe I have to tell you this. Even if there wasn’t a single non-voter, nothing would’ve changed. Try directing your douchebag attitude towards those who are actually responsible.
Non voters voted for this by virtue of being too stupid to know how our system works. They deserve responsibility.
Republicans by and large know what they voted for. Protest-non-voters need to be informed what they in fact voted for, as you demonstrate.
Ah yes see you’re looking to assign responsiblity. Again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
I agree that saying “non-voters voted for” anything is basically absurd, but people sitting on the couch rather than voting did affect the outcome of the 2024 election. A bit over three million fewer people voted in 2024 versus 2020.
Yes, the second and first most voted elections in your nations history. Clearly it is the small number of voters that are not supportive of the only two options at fault.
Managed democracy is meant to be a joke, but the real joke is the attitude on display from americans that somehow still think they live in a democracy.
In our first past the post system with only 2 parties, the non-voters did vote for this.
Bro just wants someone to blame to avoid facing responsibility.
Responsibility for someone else’s vote?
All the people making excuses for why their vote clearly didn’t matter so they were better off not voting obviously aren’t making excuses themselves. That would be silly!
Every non-voter was fine with this outcome because they couldn’t sack up and make the less bad choice. If you see a car coming towards a child in the road and do nothing you are still partly responsible if they get hit. They allowed it to happen through their inaction.
They totally care
Knowledge is power.
The amount of people who sat home on voting day outweighs both republican and democrat voters. Apathy won the last presidential election, just like every election in recent memory.
While true, a Pew study found that “if all Americans eligible to vote in 2024 had cast ballots, the overall margin in the popular vote likely would not have been much different”.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/behind-trumps-2024-victory-a-more-racially-and-ethnically-diverse-voter-coalition/
So, anyone continuing the “nonvoters did this” line can fuck off.
Encouraging more democratic leaning voters would’ve made a difference however, you don’t have to assume linear proportional effect
Also true, but much more easily said than done.
Apathy is a tool of capital. If apathy is the reason, capitalism is the cause
Bologna. There are not enough conservative voters in virtually any nation to win in an election that progressive voters actually turn out to. Conservatives only win when progressives don’t vote; conservatives NEVER don’t vote.
“tiny fraction of people” millions of registered D voters sat it out
The DNC knew that Harris campaign pursuing Republican votes would cost her the election. She knew it, too, she’s not dumb.
Independents outnumber Ds and Rs; if you ignore your own Democrats and ignore Independents and pursue Republican votes, you will lose every time.
The math requires you to keep your own voters AND acquire Independent votes. There’s no way around it, not enough Ds exist, even if all had voted you still need I votes.
This is why Democratic campaigns are otherwise always focused on D and I votes.
Why did they ignore the fundamentals? You decide… but recall that she raised over a billion dollars in a few months, whilst Trump raised only 900 million in four years.
yeah but then how could libs feel smugly superior?
they’d rather blame the tiny fraction of people with principles rather than the third of the country that is actively fascist, because politically, they’re closer to the fascists
Because they are the ones that knew but chose to play some bullshit game instead of putting their bullshit aside for the reality they knew was there but just made them a bit uncomfortable.
The republicans were impossible to blame as they are totally convinced a whole fantasy reality and can’t be held accountable by blaming as much as they see it as a personal attack and vindicates them if not put in language they understand.
Tell the republicans to fuck themselves and it helps to remind them they’re supporting a pedo and a warmongerer. Hold them accountable with specifics actions. Not a general you shouldn’t have voted for him because fantasyland reasoning
Oh I know this one, its the two party system pretending to be a democracy right?
But I am things are bad because the wrong team is in power, and if they turn out to be great it is all due to the brave right team. But hey good thing you are there to “do their thinking for them entirely”!
Jesus your contextual reading needs work
Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.
You need therapy and a fucking wake up call. This is reality not some ideological victimhood posturing contest. The two party system controlled by the media and the monetary powers that be ran shit this time around easily (along with Russian gov misinformation campaigning)
So spelled out. It was not a good time to take that fight and were all getting fucked up now because you fucked up your turn.
Figure if they come for you, your family or a loved one and send them to some hellhole that might that might help you understand that. But have fun winning your “The world has to work how I want it before I participate” award. Wasn’t worth it IMO.
Learn to play the actual game or get fucked by those that already do. Good fucking luck next turn
And you see no issues with this statement? You need the wake up call, you live in a hellscape that is actively making the world worse and just assume I do too. You and your american exceptionalism can go to hell. The best time to fight was before and the next best time is now.
Please do the world a favor and ether fix your shit nation or collapse already.
Fuck you motherfucker. Eat my whole fucking cock.
Your dumbass population isnt immune. Your country is just not useful enough to fuck up.
Yet. So how bout you fuck off back to whatever you do over there and enjoy the fucking privilege while you have it.
Mod removed my comment for being “uncivil” that’s pathetic in the extreme considering the abuse of that very concept was extremely justly responding to
Suck a whole fuck you clown. The dumbasses in your countries population arent immune to disinformation campaigns and the media powers that be. Its just not useful enough to fuck up. Yet.
So how about you fuck off back to doing exactly nothing and enjoy it while it lasts.
Get fucked telling me to fucking fix my nation or collapse. I live here. Hope you fucking get personally effected by this shit
What’s the definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Well, I’ve been voting “blue no matter who” for damn near 30 years now, and shit has not changed for the better. Society has changed for the better in some ways, but that is not being represented in our government.
I’m starting to think my vote for Nader was the sanest thing I’ve ever done in my civic life.
I’d hardly take criticism from so called leftists regarding smugness.
Blaming “liberals” for not voting on “principle” (re: ego) while they sit on their asses telling everyone else to form an armed rebellion instead certainly aren’t smug bastards themselves.