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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/36419565
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Hey 4Chan was a big reason behind no one taking Scientology seriously anymore
Project 2025 and Curtis Yarvin have direct ties to 4chan as well. Maybe not the horse you wanna hitch to.
Who the fuck is Curtis Yarvin? And what the shit does P25 have to do with 4Chan?
He’s the philosopher of choice for people like Peter Thiel and JD Vance. He advocates for moving to a neofeudalist system, arguing that democracy is a failed project. Beyond this, he holds some truly repugnant views that are woven throughout his ideology
US representative democracy may be a failed system, but it was designed in the 18th century when travel and long range communications was time consuming. Needs a major revamp for the digital world, and we are getting to the point where that could be possible (technology, at least).
JD Vance unironically believes in a Neo Feudalist?!
Who’s Peter Thiel
Edit: Because downvoting me answers my question
Peter Thiel
A right-wing billionaire who is responsible for a lot modern evils, but he sometimes likes to pull the “I’m not evil or racist, I am gay, so I can’t be”.
You may have heard of Facebook, or Palantir, or JD Vance.
Ah Milo Yiannapolous tried similar shit
I have not heard of Palantir
Those are great questions to start with on your search engine of choice! If you’re more of an audio person, I find this podcast to be a great overview.
The polite version of lmgtfy
No thank you, I don’t do podcasts
Well, then my favorite search engines are Kagi and DuckDuckGo.
Direct ties? They’ve trip-fagged once on it or something?
I never expected to be cheering for 4-Chan and kiwi farms but it’s 2025 and nothing makes sense anymore.
nazi porn-enjoyers vs nazi government ultimate showdown
Everyone should sue those fuckers. Taking away the last pieces of our freedom.
Who is even running 4chan nowadays?
I heard it was a hacker named 4chan.
I assume the FBI or CIA
Its a recruitment portal, basically.
Last I heard 4chan-ers were referring to the owner as “Jap-moot”
Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel and current owner of 2ch.sc
So 4chan that said they wouldn’t pay the UK fine as the UK doesn’t have jurisdiction over companies based in the USA is going to sue UK over stuff that 4chan can’t be responsible for?
4chan will sue the UK trying to hold them responsible for UK law, in US court. Foreign judgement limiting freedom of speech. Seems to be in line with their strategy of not being an UK company so not paying fines: “Your laws don’t apply to us. Hell, they aren’t even constitutional!”.
It’s more than that. They argue that the whole network that we call the Internet was invented and is currently maintained by America (and they are not wrong), that other nations failed to invent and deploy competitive solutions and UK trying to enforce some rulings on an American network is absurd.
the Internet was invented and is currently maintained by America
why do I expect anything from 4chan?
Well, technically, if you look at
- who manages and sells IP addresses allocations IANA
- which organization controls domain name systems, top level domain naming and registrar assignments ICANN the USA has critical foothold in controlling the internet.
Hey, downvoteers, go read the first page of the lawsuit. Thank you.
The nihilist school shooters of the world are way more litigious than I thought possible.
Wait until they sue Mississippi
if kiwi farms was a person I would bully the crap out of it until it shit it’s pants and then I’d lock it in a closet with its shitpants
If kiwi farms was a person, I’d throw them off a bridge and shit on their broken corpse
Wow.
You must be a fan, to be so light and kind about it.
Good.
Their lawsuit will fail for the simple reason they only have to age verify UK citizens, not everyone. But it does go to show how stupid this law actually is. If the UK wanted to block 4chan (for example) to under 18s, then ISPs should provide optional filtering software with every account that can be enabled per device to do it. It would be far more effective than expecting websites around the world to police the UK’s own laws.
The complaint is hilarious. So on brand.
I guess they’ll win. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens then.
If the world goes to shit but Kiwi Farms is destroyed, I will have a moticum of warmth in my blood.
Fuck the censorship but a non-US government should not be tried in a US court.
By that logic “non-US laws shouldn’t affect US establishments”. Have you even thought that through before typing it?
Yes, you probably haven’t. If an entity or person does not have a presence in a country it should not be subject to those laws. Their home country should reject enforcing any penalties or extraditing their citizen. Of course the US is the most notorious and more successful in getting people that never had any meaningful relation to the US extradited.
I also don’t think the UK or an EU nation’s court should be able to try a case against a US government agency, say the FDA because they do not follow the same standards. Or even against ICE agents because they abduct people.
Democratic countries should be able to have their own laws even if larger countries disagree with them.
Do you seriously think 4chan is in danger of having the fines collected? They are just right wingers trying to spur the US government into blackmailing the UK into changing their laws to align with US sensibilities and ‘values’. Fuck that.
I don’t really get this.
Whether I like the UK’s act, they are free to set the laws of their land. So if foreign websites don’t want to comply, the UK is also free to order its ISPs to block the site.
Which kids will then circumvent with VPN.
And so on …
Passing laws like this disproportionately affects smaller websites that are independent from big tech. A law like this HAD to come from big tech, where tech bros are exchanging money with the government for total wrangling and control of every step of their users / citizens.
As an analogy, currently in some countries tobacco and vape products can only be sold in certain stores in a certain way, hidden behind a counter, think tobacco stores, corner stores, gas stations or mom&pop depanneurs. Suddenly some government official receives bribes (through lobbying or otherwise) from a cartel of big-box stores and security-service providers that prompts them to propose a bill to mandate a security guard at every small store to act as a bouncer against letting children into the store. As a small business owner not only does this require you to hire a security guard and pay their salary + the overhead going towards big-sec, you are also losing revenue from potential customers (children) that would come into your store to buy chips, pop, ice cream or bag of milk (yes, bag). And I didn’t even get to the analogy of control aspect yet, just that of the smb.
It’s a stupid law and for a stupid reason (FOR THE CHILDREN!!) and I hope more, serious businesses pile on such a lawsuit and hopefully kneecaps anyone ever thinking about implementing such an idiocy. I’m looking at you Steam, GOG, Epic, etc.
Edit: to go further on the control side of the analogy, the security guard has to ask for the ID of every person wishing to enter the store, jot it down in their logbook and submit the logbook to their parent company hourly. The big-sec parent company now has this data for sale to anyone willing to offer. Including the government, who can then enact further control on their citizens based on the data obtained on their habits.
