It was a sign for me when Amazon sent me two AMD chips. Thank you!
I honestly don’t get why anyone would have bought an Intel in the last 3-4 years. AMD was just better on literally every metric.
If your use case benefited from Quicksync then Intel was a clear choice.
Older Intel CPUs are the only ones that can play 4K BluRays on the player itself and not just ripping to a drive. Very niche use case but that is one I can think of.
Idle power is the only thing they are good at, but for a homeserver a used older cpu is good enough.
Was that even true for comparable CPU’s? I feel this was only for their N100’s etc.
Nah all the am4 cpus have abysmal idle power, the am5 got a little better as far as i know but the infinity fabric was a nightmare for the idle power.
Well I concede, I guess there was one metric they were better at. Doing absolutely nothing.
My AM4 box draws 0 watts on idle. I turn it off when I don’t use it
Ahh yes idle=not using computer and using computer=100% cpu usage. There is no such thing as “reading a pdf document” or “surfing the web”.
Browsing the web is not idle
Enlighten me! When is a cpu idleing?
Looks like they didn’t have adequate cooling for their CPU, killed it… Then replaced it without correcting the cooling. If your CPU hits 3 digits, it’s not cooled properly.
If your CPU hits 3 digits, then throttling isn’t working properly, because it should kick in before it hits that point.
laughs in 8700k
When I overclock this old chip (which it was built for) it can hit over 100 with proper cooling. Some chips are hot as fuck. I think this one shuts off at 105.
That’s not the case. 100% for new CPUs, but also for old ones too.
My father’s old CPU cooler did not make good contact, got lose in one corner some how, and the system would throttle (fan at 100% making noise and PC run slow). After i fixed it, in one of my visits, CPU was working fine for years.
System throttles or even shuts down before any thermal damage occures (at least when temperatures rise normally).
Pretty much anything with a heat spreader should be impossible to accidentally kill. Bare die? May dog have mercy on your soul.
What if it hits around 90°C during Vulkan shader processing? 😅 Otherwise like 42–52 idle. How’s that? I’m wondering if my cooling is sufficient.
This is an AMD 9950X3D + 9070 XT setup, for reference.
Any way to do Vulkan shader processing on the GPU perhaps, to speed it up?
It’s fine, modern CPUs boost until they either hit amperage, voltage, or thermal constraints, assuming the motherboard isn’t behaving badly then the upper limits for all of those are safe to be at perpetually.
AMDs 7000 series CPUs were designed to boost until they hit 95c, then maintain those temps. 9000 series behaves differently for boosting, but the silicon can handle it.
Okay cool, then I feel more confident. This is only my second build, ever, so I’m a little bit nervous. I didn’t buy any extra fans apart from the ones that came with my case. But I did get that beasty Noctua gen 2 air cooler, and it seems to be holding so far, even in the hot summer air.
Slight under volt, or upgrade cooler. 90c is too hot sustainably. Idle high 40s to 50s is not the best. Find a better air cooler or use a 240 AIO atleast.
I did some quick research.
The idle temperature for the AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D can vary, but many users report it idling between 50-60°C, which is considered normal for this processor.
Under load, the Ryzen 9 9950X3D can reach temperatures up to 90°C, which is within the acceptable range for this CPU.
I feel confident now. My CPU and cooling seems perfectly nominal. 😌👌
If your running that CPU then you almost certainly have done research or have money. Either way. Enjoy the setup you’ve got a good cooler and CPU it seems.
Not true, 95C is the rated safe operating temperature
Thats what the manufacturer says but… 95c is damn near boiling at 203f. That is too hot to sustain any good longevity of a part, and any good workload for any component in a PC. That is a lot of heat. You will not get the best performance for a processor at its maximum temperatures running it like that all the time or even close to its max operating temp. I’m not saying you can’t hit that number but ideally you really really shouldn’t.
So what I said I think stands. Upgrade to a better air cooler and if need be a water cooler at least a 240AIO nothing smaller period. Keep temps lower and parts last longer. Performance boosts during core loads hold clocks longer. No question.
The processor is not made out of water so the boiling point of water doesn’t affect it
In fact you will get the best performance at 95C because to decrease it means to decrease the clocks
If you mean to get a better cooling solution that would be better, but then running it at 95C with that better cooling solution would be better again
Once you reach a cooling solution that can take it to the maximum clocks, then there will be no performance benefit between 70C and 95C at the same clocks and you can reduce the fan speed to hit the higher temperature at less noise
You got a better suggestion for an air cooler than this one that I have?
https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15-g2-lbc
Much appreciated.
The Noctua NH 15 is a great air cooler one of the best air coolers actually. What are you pairing it to? What CPU?
Almost all things noctua are good. However. They are expensive and if you’re not plotting on future cpu high TDP chips it’s overkill. I don’t honestly see the need to drop that much money on a CPU cooler. There’s near equal more cost effective options. Unless your doing major overclocks, cpu heavy loads at near max clock speed constantly where you think major wear and tear will happen I don’t for see the need to spend that much. I’ve built many many PCs.
You can find comparable air coolers much cheaper. Think 50 to 80 range and technically you can score them on eBay for cheaper than that. Look at the Phantom spirit 120 cheapest 30 to 40 usd, AK620 1 to 3c cooler than phantom 50 to 65usd, frost commander 140 80usd, noctua DH 15 150 to 180usd.
Of course prices fluctuate. Those get you the best ranked air coolers for the most part. Their all within roughly 5C of each other. All good coolers. Take the extra money savings and add to a GPU or whatever part you really need. I just seen you already have the noctua dh15 so in that case you were testing me to see what I knew. LOL. Enjoy you got a great cooler.
What are you pairing it to? What CPU?
I wrote the CPU and GPU in the very first comment…
I already bought these components and built the computer already. 😄 It’s a pretty much maximum spec’d AMD system, and I’m privileged to buy the parts tax free through work, so I just went ham.
The only thing is that my 3900X in my previous build was running about 39–42°C idle, so I was worried I’d made some kind of error with the cooling paste or messed up the mounting of the cooler or something.
you were testing me to see what I knew. LOL.
Definitely not; was genuinely a bit concerned, that’s all.
Near the boiling point of water, sure. I don’t have any water in my system, though. Unless there’s water in the cooling paste? I dunno.
Anyway, there’s a lot of saying this and saying that in these replies to my question without any links to references, so I think I’ll do some proper research instead. 😅
damn… its sitting at 301 Kelvin currently…
I built a new PC recently. All I needed to see were the benchmarks over the last 5 years. There’s currently no contest.
I went from Ryzen 1000 to intel 12000 since I need single threaded performance above all else (CAD). Plus it was a steal of a deal.
If Intel ever sorts out their drivers or it gets cheap enough I might for at 14000 chip but no further.
Interesting, so it’s not only their recent-ish (either 12th or 13th gen and up, iirc) laptop CPUs that die under normal load.
I knew Michael Stapelberg from other projects, but I just realized he is the author of the i3 Window Manager. Damn!
I was an intel guy most of my life, Intel on all the hand-me-downs I got from my grandfather’s appliance store, Intel on my first gaming PC in 2008 til 2012, Intel on the 2012-2019 PC, it wasn’t until I built my current PC in 2019 that I Switched because of the Meltdown / Spectre / Etc issues, largely just out of reputation not actually understanding them.
Sufficed to say, I left in 2019 and have had no reason to return.
I’d never heard of arrow lake dying like raptor has been? wild.
Just for interest. Why did you buy Intel in the first place. I don’t know about many use cases where Intel is the superior option.
I started buying Intel CPUs because they allowed me to build high-performance computers that ran Linux flawlessly and produced little noise.
I find it funny that they mention noise level, as if the CPU itself were making noise. I’ve bought silent fans all my life, separately from CPUs.
I’ve swapped back and forth between brands since I built my first computer almost 30 years ago. It was intel forever until AMD showed up with their early Athlons, amazing CPUs for the price. Then Intel fought back with with their Core 2 Quads, AMD with Thunderbirds, back to intel with their higher i-series, up until about 2-3 years ago and now AMD’s Ryzen offering the better performance/$ again. It’s too bad intel seems to be unable to keep costs competitive and maintain quality. I’ve never had a CPU quit on me yet (knock on wood). Motherboards, RAM, PSUs, sure. I used to partial upgrade every 2 years or so, but the golden era of PC building is gone. The high prices of GPU’s alone really killed the momentum we had from say ‘05-‘15.
Intel’s strategy seems to be just chugging power into the CPU and hoping for the best.
It feels kinda like there’s a race and one person’s breathing hard and sweating bullets only to have another runner breeze past them like it’s nothing.
Ah ha ha. I had my second ryzen die yesterday in a row. No load, no overclocking, just in the middle of coding. Fack AMD and fack Intel. I’m gonna go buy a Mac Mini.
Those M chips ARE pretty amazing.
CPUs don’t die very often without something being very wrong with your system.
Could be the PSU or motherboard
Probably a bad motherboard then. CPUs generally don’t just die, unless there’s some kind of excess voltage or something. If you weren’t aggressively overclocking, that sounds like the mobo isn’t doing a great job at controlling voltage. It could also be a bad PSU, the CPU is the last thing I’d suspect on the second failure.
Boards are different, Asus and Asrock, power supplies cheap Zalman and expensive DeepCool. It doesn’t matter. It’s not supposed to happen! And it has never happened before, until they started making some wild voltage controls.
It just happens, it’s a lottery
Most likely your motherboard. Asus and ASRock have been fucking up recently.
