‘funding’ is a capitalist term, but yes a simplification of socialist and post-currency economics would be ‘the government funds treating the sick’… like it does in 109 countries, including every developed nation, and a majority of recognized developing nations except the US.
What term would you use instead of “funding”? Even if we ditch capitalism, as we should, doctors et al still need to get paid, and hospitals still need money to operate (assuming we got rid of any for-profit healthcare). We wouldn’t be doing this with a barter system, right?
The problem is that the base still relies on humans. Even in a perfect system you can’t eliminate greed. Eventually someone will want more than what they need and use violence to take it and the cycle repeats
I’m not sure if why you’re aggressively pushing the idea that I’m against the idea of eliminating capitalism or changing to a different form of government for disagreeing to a specific point. I’m trying to have a discussion and perhaps have my viewpoints challenged and yet often on this platform everyone devolves to hostile dunkage.
Aaaanyways. I just find the idea of no currency to be difficult to implement. You need everyone to feel like their work is equally as valuable as others, and also for people not to feel as though others are receiving things despite doing nothing for them. Yes working to have anything is absolutely capitalism but also if someone spends their entire life toiling away doing say plumbing and someone else decides to do nothing and still receives stuff that seems a bit asinine. I’m all for supporting those who literally can’t participate in the labor or you know having actual maternal leave etc etc, but I can’t really fathom obliterating my body while someone else doesn’t and receiving equal allocations. And at the point then we’ll food and water and whatever else you get is still a currency. Perhaps there’s a different angle to this though that I’m some how not understanding
What’s it like to consider reality a distant and off-putting concept but an imaginary conception of society totally familiar and so doable it’s not even worth mentioning the process to get to it?
It’s better than pretending that repeating history and failed ideas will magically generate a different outcome. Pretending that we can ‘fix’ capitalism with more regulations or more reforms is silly when there has never been a successful capitalist country in history.
They, at best, have to adopt socialist-adjacent policies paid for by the explicit rape of slave countries and colonies just to survive a few more decades; with no actual plans for what happens if those colonies throw off their chains or how to ever stop exploiting people to survive.
‘funding’ is a capitalist term, but yes a simplification of socialist and post-currency economics would be ‘the government funds treating the sick’… like it does in 109 countries, including every developed nation, and a majority of recognized developing nations except the US.
What term would you use instead of “funding”? Even if we ditch capitalism, as we should, doctors et al still need to get paid, and hospitals still need money to operate (assuming we got rid of any for-profit healthcare). We wouldn’t be doing this with a barter system, right?
Why would there be transactions at all? What use is money if you can just get what you need?
The idea is to remove, albeit slowly, all of the distrust-based systems in society as we grow beyond simple fear-based order.
The problem is that the base still relies on humans. Even in a perfect system you can’t eliminate greed. Eventually someone will want more than what they need and use violence to take it and the cycle repeats
Then we punish them.
‘Oh you can’t outlaw murder, even in a perfect system people just do that so why even improve society.’
I’m not sure if why you’re aggressively pushing the idea that I’m against the idea of eliminating capitalism or changing to a different form of government for disagreeing to a specific point. I’m trying to have a discussion and perhaps have my viewpoints challenged and yet often on this platform everyone devolves to hostile dunkage.
Aaaanyways. I just find the idea of no currency to be difficult to implement. You need everyone to feel like their work is equally as valuable as others, and also for people not to feel as though others are receiving things despite doing nothing for them. Yes working to have anything is absolutely capitalism but also if someone spends their entire life toiling away doing say plumbing and someone else decides to do nothing and still receives stuff that seems a bit asinine. I’m all for supporting those who literally can’t participate in the labor or you know having actual maternal leave etc etc, but I can’t really fathom obliterating my body while someone else doesn’t and receiving equal allocations. And at the point then we’ll food and water and whatever else you get is still a currency. Perhaps there’s a different angle to this though that I’m some how not understanding
What’s it like to consider reality a distant and off-putting concept but an imaginary conception of society totally familiar and so doable it’s not even worth mentioning the process to get to it?
It’s better than pretending that repeating history and failed ideas will magically generate a different outcome. Pretending that we can ‘fix’ capitalism with more regulations or more reforms is silly when there has never been a successful capitalist country in history.
They, at best, have to adopt socialist-adjacent policies paid for by the explicit rape of slave countries and colonies just to survive a few more decades; with no actual plans for what happens if those colonies throw off their chains or how to ever stop exploiting people to survive.