Never would have thought there are so many supporters of oppressive regimes here on lemmy.
if communism = facism then facism = communism. Does that sound even remotely sane? Dumb monument. Though frankly i cant even understand how anyone would get something like that from a wireframe guy telling about huge fish it almost caught.
On a historical aspect, it does sound a bit sane. Both were used to justify similar regimes that strangled the people.
Communism can be seen as fascism by lucky liberals who dont understand we share this earth and have responsibilities to our neighbor. Communism ‘removes’ autonomy by making it a group effort and reducing the power of money which lets people have a degree of separation from the work and people.
Not that I agree, but people see communism as the real world attempts and not the philosophy. This is very apparent when you realize those anti communism in America tend to be Christian.
Jesus being a dude who provided free health care, food, and assistance to his neighbor. Just communist philosophy to the max. However they prefer the philosophy that he died so that we can keep sinning and would rather kill their brother than share the bread.
its just that i cant see how fasicm can be considered communism. Communist regime can also be facist but its crazy to just make them mean the same thing. Its like saying nazi germany was communist.
You say you can’t see how and then explain exactly how.
They definitely do not mean the same thing that’s the same thing that happened to Nazis. They just were the biggest example of fascists on the world stage. A concept older than the Nazis. When Nazi is really more an ideology of hate wearing a façade.
The same party that is used to chastise ‘socialist’ beliefs when it wasn’t truly socialist. Words evolve and change, it’s why spreading a message is better than spreading a term. Whether or not you are right mattrrs very little when the person listening understands something different.
Help your neighbor and let them not go hungry - least we can do is spread our beliefs through our acts. I wish to raise the bottom line, and this will come at the detriment of my time, labor, and whatnot. This is why those with means would rather not sacrifice their comfort. Even when it’s just money.
I consider facism to be more like something that corrupts and worms its way into everything. As you said, its older thing than the nazis. Its like somekind of ideological disease.
This thread feels like i just sat down for some coffee and a cigarette at a corner cafe on a cool April morning in Paris, 1871…
Listen, people from the former Soviet bloc, we get it, you were traumatized. But you can’t just blanketly force your bad experience on the rest of us. In much of the world, the polarity of your experience was reversed. Communists were (and are) the people arguing for democracy for human rights and for liberty. And they were the people persecuted and jailed and tortured for this. Joke all you like, but it’s just simply historical fact in places ranging from Spain and Greece to like Indonesia and Nepal. And in those places, the conflation of communism and Nazism as “totalitarianism” is just obscene.
In France in particular, I mean look at the tricolour: socialist ideas are part of what being French is. And this fascist mayor is doing something obscene, essentially lumping the collaborationists and the pétainistes together with the people who fought against them for a free french people.
Yes, your experiences are valid, but they are not the only ones that are valid.
Listen, people from the former Soviet bloc,
I’m confused who you’re addressing your comment to. The article is about a French town. That’s not the former soviet bloc.
That’s entirely where the perspective comes from, even if it’s second-hand, since most other people don’t have direct experience living in a communist society.
Or Nazi society for that matter, but got the most part we have consensus on that one being universally awful.
Ok and was the USSR democratic?
It had democratic aspects, but overall it wasn’t really democratic.
You educated and do not praise us straight to gulag!
No, it also wasn’t communist so not sure what’s your point.
For like 10 minutes in the beginning.
The two most murderous political movements of the twentieth century? Yeah they can both burn in hell.
Despite strong opposition from left-wing representatives, Frédéric Masquelier, the mayor of Saint-Raphaël on the French Riviera, unveiled France’s first monument to the “victims of communism” on Saturday, August 23. Masquelier, a member of the right-wing party Les Républicains, said, “Nazism and communism (…) are two sides of the same tragic coin.” The monument depicts a man pushing back two massive blocks and was placed next to a memorial dedicated to the martyrs of the Resistance, many of whom were communists.
Other than the obvious “mayor is a fascist” part, why the fuck does a French town need a monument for “victims of communism”? Communist Russia and China were very brutal, but what exactly did they do that directly affected France? Surely the monument is not for the handful of French communists who lived in the USSR and were victims of various purges.
I disagree with the monument itself, but to also remember the victims of the socialist dictatorships (Holodomor, big leap forward, red Khmer, and many others) is not a bad thing. And why there? Because the places where it happened might not want to remember them, e.g. look at Russia and how it handles it Soviet Union past.
While it’s on the fascist side instead of the socialist, Berlin for example has a monument to the forced prostitution during Japanese colonialism. And Germany was not involved there either, but it’s still worthwhile to remember it, since Japan tries to hide it.
Berlin is like 50 times larger than that French town, though - it’s not completely absurd for Berlin to have an entire collection of such monuments, and on top of that Germany was allied with Japan during WW2 and thus had at least some involvement in it.
That downvote wasn’t me, BTW.
So they should not stand up against Israel (for example)?
Empathy. That’s why.
Big difference between standing up against oppression and erecting monuments. I guarantee that this town doesn’t have a growing collection of monuments dedicated to victims of oppression around the world and doesn’t plan to, either.
“…two sides of the same tragic coin.”
Well that’s just a bad metaphor. Now I dislike this mayor for two reasons.
