cross-posted from: https://ibbit.at/post/52938
The company behind the Proton Mail email service, Proton, describes itself as a “neutral and safe haven for your personal data, committed to defending your freedom.”
But last month, Proton disabled email accounts belonging to journalists reporting on security breaches of various South Korean government computer systems following a complaint by an unspecified cybersecurity agency. After a public outcry, and multiple weeks, the journalists’ accounts were eventually reinstated — but the reporters and editors involved still want answers on how and why Proton decided to shut down the accounts in the first place.
Martin Shelton, deputy director of digital security at the Freedom of the Press Foundation, highlighted that numerous newsrooms use Proton’s services as alternatives to something like Gmail “specifically to avoid situations like this,” pointing out that “While it’s good to see that Proton is reconsidering account suspensions, journalists are among the users who need these and similar tools most.” Newsrooms like The Intercept, the Boston Globe, and the Tampa Bay Times all rely on Proton Mail for emailed tip submissions.
Shelton noted that perhaps Proton should “prioritize responding to journalists about account suspensions privately, rather than when they go viral.”
On Reddit, Proton’s official account stated that “Proton did not knowingly block journalists’ email accounts” and that the “situation has unfortunately been blown out of proportion.” Proton did not respond to The Intercept’s request for comment.
The two journalists whose accounts were disabled were working on an article published in the August issue of the long-running hacker zine Phrack. The story described how a sophisticated hacking operation — what’s known in cybersecurity parlance as an APT, or advanced persistent threat — had wormed its way into a number of South Korean computer networks, including those of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the military Defense Counterintelligence Command, or DCC.
The journalists, who published their story under the names Saber and cyb0rg, describe the hack as being consistent with the work of Kimsuky, a notorious North Korean state-backed APT sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department in 2023.
As they pieced the story together, emails viewed by The Intercept show that the authors followed cybersecurity best practices and conducted what’s known as responsible disclosure: notifying affected parties that a vulnerability has been discovered in their systems prior to publicizing the incident.
Saber and cyb0rg created a dedicated Proton Mail account to coordinate the responsible disclosures, then proceeded to notify the impacted parties, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the DCC, and also notified South Korean cybersecurity organizations like the Korea Internet and Security Agency, and KrCERT/CC, the state-sponsored Computer Emergency Response Team. According to emails viewed by The Intercept, KrCERT wrote back to the authors, thanking them for their disclosure.
A note on cybersecurity jargon: CERTs are agencies consisting of cybersecurity experts specializing in dealing with and responding to security incidents. CERTs exist in over 70 countries — with some countries having multiple CERTs each specializing in a particular field such as the financial sector — and may be government-sponsored or private organizations. They adhere to a set of formal technical standards, such as being expected to react to reported cybersecurity threats and security incidents. A high-profile example of a CERT agency in the U.S. is the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency, which has recently been gutted by the Trump administration.
A week after the print issue of Phrack came out, and a few days before the digital version was released, Saber and cyb0rg found that the Proton account they had set up for the responsible disclosure notifications had been suspended. A day later, Saber discovered that his personal Proton Mail account had also been suspended. Phrack posted a timeline of the account suspensions at the top of the published article, and later highlighted the timeline in a viral social media post. Both accounts were suspended owing to an unspecified “potential policy violation,” according to screenshots of account login attempts reviewed by The Intercept.
The suspension notice instructed the authors to fill out Proton’s abuse appeals form if they believed the suspension was in error. Saber did so, and received a reply from a member of Proton Mail’s Abuse Team who went by the name Dante.
In an email viewed by The Intercept, Dante told Saber that their account “has been disabled as a result of a direct connection to an account that was taken down due to violations of our terms and conditions while being used in a malicious manner.” Dante also provided a link to Proton’s terms of service, going on to state, “We have clearly indicated that any account used for unauthorized activities, will be sanctioned accordingly.” The response concluded by stating, “We consider that allowing access to your account will cause further damage to our service, therefore we will keep the account suspended.”
On August 22, a Phrack editors reached out to Proton, writing that no hacked data was passed through the suspended email accounts, and asked if the account suspension incident could be deescalated. After receiving no response from Proton, the editor sent a follow-up email on September 6. Proton once again did not reply to the email.
On September 9, the official Phrack X account made a post asking Proton’s official account asking why Proton was “cancelling journalists and ghosting us,” adding: “need help calibrating your moral compass?” The post quickly went viral, garnering over 150,000 views.
Proton’s official account replied the following day, stating that Proton had been “alerted by a CERT that certain accounts were being misused by hackers in violation of Proton’s Terms of Service. This led to a cluster of accounts being disabled. Our team is now reviewing these cases individually to determine if any can be restored.” Proton then stated that they “stand with journalists” but “cannot see the content of accounts and therefore cannot always know when anti-abuse measures may inadvertently affect legitimate activism.”
Proton did not publicly specify which CERT had alerted them, and didn’t answer The Intercept’s request for the name of the specific CERT which had sent the alert. KrCERT also did not reply to The Intercept’s question about whether they were the CERT that had sent the alert to Proton.
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Later in the day, Proton’s founder and CEO Andy Yen posted on X that the two accounts had been reinstated. Neither Yen nor Proton explained why the accounts had been reinstated, whether they had been found to not violate the terms of service after all, why had they been suspended in the first place, or why a member of the Proton Abuse Team reiterated that the accounts had violated the terms of service during Saber’s appeals process.
Phrack noted that the account suspensions created a “real impact to the author. The author was unable to answer media requests about the article.” The co-authors, Phrack pointed out, were also in the midst of the responsible disclosure process and working together with the various affected South Korean organizations to help fix their systems. “All this was denied and ruined by Proton,” Phrack stated.
Phrack editors said that the incident leaves them “concerned what this means to other whistleblowers or journalists. The community needs assurance that Proton does not disable accounts unless Proton has a court order or the crime (or ToS violation) is apparent.”
The post Proton Mail Suspended Journalist Accounts at Request of Cybersecurity Agency appeared first on The Intercept.
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Self-hosting is your only safe option
but then nobody gets your emails because you aren’t one of the big boy domains.
Email was not designed for the modern internet and not just on the security front. But we just kept beating at it with a hammer until it was a vaguely square shaped peg and put it in the hole anyways.
“That’s right, it goes in the square hole.”
So the shoe finally drops!
I have been mocking Proton users for years now. Buying privacy from a corporation that openly cooperates with governments was asinine.
Small shoe.
My perception of Proton was never that users would be kept safe from governments, but that users would be kept away from advertisers.
Anyone who genuinely thought that privacy was going to be perfect was an idiot. But they’re going to be better than Gmail and they are. The only way to achieve any type of true privacy would be to start up your own Data Center , run your own email , and then be the one that’s dealing with the government knocking on your door. Have fun with that.
Put frankly privacy on the internet does not exist and anyone that thinks it’s achievable on the modern internet is honestly an idiot. We can only select the least shitty option there is no good option. And the problem is even that is a moving Target I’m not going to keep changing my email provider every couple years to whatever the new current popular privacy option is.
Everything related to privacy and security requires as a fundamental premise that you select your threat model. Who are you? What data do you want to protect? From whom, and how bad would it be to fail?
Most people skip this step, and then keep acting either surprised or over/under reacting to any given news. There are people out there that can’t use email - regardless of who hosts what. There are people out there that would be fine with Gmail.
I use Google suite. Use it for work stuff, general bullshit. Works great. None of the data going over it is of particular import (to me).
There are things that I believe require a better handling, and they’re handled differently, all the way up to physical media.
It just might be naive, in this day and age, to think a company won’t cooperate with authorities. Yes, there are exceptions, but they either fear repercussions or they were never built well enough to keep authorities out in the first place.
Tuta is German so it cannot be trusted since Germany is on the brink of fascism. supposedly can’t search message bodys in tuta either.
Proton is, well, proton.
Self hosting gets blocked everywhere. Since I have my own domain, I’m finding even my Proton address gets blocked a lot.
So wtf am I supposed to do? Has the industry been successful in corporatizing and controlling email now?
If your own domain is being blocked, you’re likely misconfiguring DMARC/DKIM/SPF on the domain.
This.
I use my own email domains for more than a decade, the only time I got blocked was because the website didn’t allow “.dev” domains yet (it was very recent at that time). But my .info goes everywhere.
While that can cause this issue, it’s not the only reason. Many services whitelist email domains.
Sometimes yeah, but the majority of major ones use a ranking system and taking care of your DMARC and such is usually enough to rank you into the not spam category.
My dmarc is fine.
I have little to no background in IT or CS, but I always wanted to set up networks with those Ubiquiti antennas that can broadcast out a few kilometers. I got a buddy who just happens to be a few kilometers away. We could set up our own private, albeit incredibly limited, internet. Outside of that, if you’re using a utility or a service, you can’t expect your info to be locked up right. And so you need to keep certain shit offline, or use a HAM radio, or some other kind of private network for broadcasting, which is not feasible. But it would be neat.
Could always have a really long string with cans on either end. Can’t tap that phone.
The reality is the only option you’ll have (for those asking for alternatives) is self hosting, if you’re worried about things like this. Eventually one of them may get compromised or emshitified.
Tuta, for example, is in Germany. All it takes is one election where the AfD wins and now Tuta is compromised. Either you’ll be hopping around continuously, or you settle for the best possible option, or you self host.
Doesn’t self hosting email usually just get you flagged as spam nowadays? I seem to recall Cory Doctorow talking about it.
There are ways you can both make your emails adhere to certain standards that make them look better and “warm” your account so Gmail and Outlook decide to trust it.
I won’t directly mention how in this thread because SEO agencies LOVE abusing this to self host massive link building spam networks to save a buck on buying Gsuite accounts, but it’s indeed possible.
Because email is federated self hosting doesn’t matter.
Sure you aren’t going to lose your email but 90% of it is going to be hosted by Microsoft/Google so those companies can block your email and it’s akin to being frozen.
I’m too invested to hop providers right now, and I don’t know if I have the spoons to self host.
That’s the push I needed. What are peoples recommendations for alternatives?
I’ve been happy with Tuta
I was happy with Proton. Until I was not. Tuta might be fine today… what happens in two years?
For email, honestly, it’s a major fucking pain in the ass, but simply buy your own domain and learn how to host it in an agnostic way you can migrate if needed. But just to emphasize: yes, self hosting email sucks tremendously, I know.
Proton doing another shady thing?
Colour me surprised!
Everything is now paywalled and absolutely none of it is worth jumping through the extra hoops to read. That said, thanks for posting the content in here.
Finally broke down this week and moved to Tuta mail, but I almost gave Proton a trial run first. After Yen’s last fumble, I felt the need to dodge a bullet. What timing.
Quite damning of Proton, but unfortunately isn’t too surprising after the CEO’s pro-trump comments.
I would say they have proven themselves untrustworthy and mostly concerned with profit-seeking, and would suggest moving to alternatives if you use their services.Mullvad is a solid VPN (Tor is better), and Posteo, Tuta, or Disroot are good email providers (don’t use email for anything sensitive, private providers only give protection against survailence capitalism).
EDIT: With more context provided by @artyom@piefed.social, this recent action by them was, perhaps, not as cut and dry as it seemed. (Though I still am skeptical of their integrity, personally)
There aren’t many VPN providers that have port forwarding and allow P2P. Proton is about the only choice if you want to seed.
Air VPN has port forwarding, been using them for years.
Unless something has changed, I believe Windscribe also allows port forwarding.
AirVPN does as well, but as they are based in Italy, I think they may have to comply with the new Italian VPN anti-piracy law enacted there.
Windscribe quality declined
What pro trump statements?
This article shows what happened: https://techstory.in/proton-mail-faces-backlash-over-claims-of-political-neutrality-amid-ceos-praise-for-republican-party/
Does no one read beyond the headline any more?
“10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned.”
This statement quickly went viral, leading to further controversy when Proton’s official Reddit account reinforced Yen’s sentiment. The now-deleted post suggested that Republicans were more inclined to take on Big Tech monopolies than corporate-aligned Democrats. However, within hours, Proton removed all traces of these remarks from its social media platforms.
Despite claiming political neutrality, Proton later issued a statement reiterating its support for stronger antitrust measures, particularly against Big Tech. The company noted that regardless of broader political views on the Republican platform, the appointment of Gail Slater as head of the Justice Department’s antitrust division under Donald Trump was a positive step.
Proton further argued that major tech companies were attempting to align with Trump because his administration posed an “unprecedented challenge to their monopolistic dominance.” This statement only fueled concerns that Proton was leaning politically despite its claims of neutrality.
Looks to me like the CEO is not aligning with the orange, but rather with the choice of a department head, in particular one that’s supposed to fight big tech monopolies at the DoJ. We have yet to see how effective this choice will be though, with all the ass kissers at the felon’s dining table.
This praise is, itself, ass-kissing the orange, likely in the hopes of getting in the good graces of the administration.
His statements on reddit were also edited after the fact after several people in the comments came with receipts and he doubled down.
I see nothing of sorts.
Instead what I see is this perpetuated crap about Proton being untrustworthy (they are not) and the CEO being a trump bootlicker (they are not). So this makes me think there’s a dissuasion campaign going on.
Nothing against what you are writing and pointing to. But look at the grander picture.
- The CEO makes a statement against big tech.
- Proton has been a thorn in the eye of big tech by eating into their margins (they don’t sell data and take customers away)
- Proton regularly fights against handing over data and doesn’t provide a back door to govt.
They don’t play along. They disrupt the market and modus operandi of stronger entities. Of course there’s going to be incitement against them.
The “That’s it, I’m not going to use them anymore and you shouldn’t either; here’s an alternative” seemed to spawn from a much lesser “charge” than many of the other usual suspects. Like a knee jerk reaction.
Is Proton perfect? No. Are they doing what they claim to do? Yes. Is it good value for money? Debatable. But they are not what people claim them to be on these posts.
Disclaimer: I have a free tier proton account that I log in to once a year, because I’ve moved on to Disroot for my email and mullvad for VPN.
What email service do lemmy people recommend?
Mailbox,formerly mailbox.org
Tuta,which is often recommended, is sadly another vendor lock in while mailbox is using industrial standards.
I still use protonmail. Tuta would be a close second
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Proton is poisoned. Stop using it.
They are not the alternative to mega technofascist companies. They are one of them. Everybody was hand-waving the Trump support, “well, that Andy guy isn’t DIRECTLY involved with this or that, so it’s fine” but it’s not.
Stop using and stop recommending it.
There’s more to this story.
Yeah Proton continuing to pooch it