At the risk of agreeing with Reddit:
Under new rules rolling out over the coming months, a small number of users will be required to leave some of their moderator posts so that they aren’t moderating more than five subreddits with 100,000 monthly visitors.
That sounds perfectly reasonable. Reddit has a massive powermod problem.
Given Reddit’s past unreasonableness, I wouldn’t be surprised if this otherwise reasonable explanation has an alternative motive.
*ulterior
Thanks, I wanted to say that but I couldn’t figure out how to spell it.
That’s what I guessed. Alternative is a fine alternative word though.
*exterior
The motive is these mods hold a decent amount of power on the platform that they wish to reduce. They don’t want a repeat of the API protests.
Now /u/spez will have all the power
Yeah that is exactly it. They didn’t want mods to be able to disrupt the site again, so they’re looking to make that more difficult.
God, I am so glad I left that place.
That was my reaction too. I don’t feel like digging in to see if it’s actually bad though. Not gonna affect my life.
We all presume that being the mod of several large reddit communities doesn’t include the possibility of sidehustle financial benefits.
Yet, humans are innovators of corruption! And I can only assume that any multi-mega-subreddit moderator has worked out something to make what is obviously a full time job worth their time.
I heard mods of big subreddits can get basically sponsored by big companies and go to events. Half the pc gaming subreddits have what are basically ad posts pinned by the mods.
It could be viewed as reasonable if viewed alone. I think that its fine and could make a lot of sense for control over their platform.
The history of reddit sheds a different context in my mind though. Mods are volunteers. Subreddits were established to moderate themselves, implementing nuanced rules for their specific topics that might differ from other subs that need completely different rules and approaches. Its part of what made reddit unique compared to alternate sites.
Then they made moderating much more difficult by eliminating third party apps. Then they started implementing their plans to take the platform where they wanted it, which is fine because its their platform, but they wanted all their mods to do a bunch of work and in a certain manner to make it so. Very demanding on free labor.
So there’s mods still around and they want to restrict them more? Who knows, maybe that’s a great idea but they made the mess they’re in. This decision isn’t a single on on its own, its part of a stack of them.
Yes, but they are also doing this to deleverage their mods and consolidate censorship power with corporate
It would have made sense if done years ago. Doing it now is suspicious.
This was desperately needed.
But I’m not convinced they aren’t just going to make alts.
The best way to leave reddit is to get permabanned.
lol can confirm
Yes, I expressed outrage at a disgusting state sanctioned murder in Iraq and suggested the invaders perpetrating these horror deserve to see the same kind of violence in their own cities. Permaban of the entire website forever. I could easily evade the ban but, this was also when the API trouble and the “reddit is fun” app stopped working. The writing was on the wall, duck that place and everyone in it. I won’t be taken hostage anymore.
I never looked back and I’m glad I did, I was wasting so much of my precious time in that ducking disgusting dump. I hope Lemmy doesn’t Septemberify for a long time. I really hope steps are taken to prevent centralization and owner dominance of Lemmy before it becomes reddit with extra steps
Lenny doesn’t really work like that. It’s not just one site.
Look, without agglomeration there is already a strong bias for any topic to have just “one big community” on “one big server” like lemmy.ml. Because why would anyone post anywhere else than the one community with the most users.
That’s the same reason everyone is on facebook and reddit. This is a fatal flaw of Lemmy. Just because there are many servers that doesn’t resolve the problem of centralization if everyone posts in the same community of the same big server.
And no one will manually subscribe to 1500 “books” communities with 5 user each, even if they existed. The solution is a single view that sees all “books” community by default.
I disagree. It’s not the fact that everyone goes to one, it is the fact that you can go to others if you want. It is fluid. You can migrate. It happens too. A lot of communities just switched to PieFed.
Can confirm. You can have the mildest takes and still get permbanned.
Did you know, that saying Neo-Nazis should be named and shamed is a permbannable offense?
Reddit is becoming Xitter 2.0 and I’m really hoping the remaining human users on there figure it out soon.
Another easy way is to use a VPN like Mullvad. They block you and you can’t see anything.
I DO use Mullvad! It’s only $5 a month. I love it.
Can corroborate lmao. They’ve saved me so much time that I usually spent correcting misinfo, but I guess that’s what they want on their platform. Anyways Lemmy’s been an okay replacement.
They use weirdly aggressive fingerprinting to make sure you don’t make any new accounts, too. What a bunch of weirdos.
There’s still way too many niche communities on Reddit that just haven’t taken off on Lemmy e.g. alternative and non-team sports.
There’s a ViolentMonkey script that can automatically delete all of your Reddit comments. I just run that every few days.
It’s not ideal, but it’s the best that I can do if I value access to those communities, which I do.
I’m starting to get convinced that Redditors and mods are just gluttons for punishment by that platform.
They’re planning on kneecapping old.reddit in this update too, and you see all the typical howling about “if they kill old.reddit I’m leaving fr this time” while at the same time, another big thread one comment lower is about all the ridiculous bans that people have gotten. And this is a mere two years after the API fiasco.
Why do people continue to use a platform that has proven time and time again that the asshole(s) in charge do not give a single fuck about them?
It’s not about the platform but it’s where most of the people are. There’s just not a lot of people here, especially in relation to niche subjects.
There could be if people had / acted in accordance with any kind of principles of self respect. They’re ants in some rich mega douche’s ant farm, donating their time and energy to their captor, but refuse to make the fucking 6-inch journey to a free ant hill beside them.
Almost all of us are here because of the API bullshit. Those who stayed did us a favour, I reckon.
Tbf most of those are usually either lurkers or commenters. The people who post meaningful content are usually rare. But they used to be a lot more common in the early days though, I wonder what happened.
Thats what i like about it. They can stay there.
Fuck it’s been two years…
Reddit is in an incestuous relationship with Google. So it’ll remain relevant as long as it’s results keep getting into the front page of the biggest search engine. Add to that, the results getting fed into AI responses.
Influencers and marketers love Reddit at least as much as they still love Twitter.
I got a lifetime ban after 12 years on Reddit. I still have no clue why, and I really, really don’t care.
I got perma banned a few years ago for saying pipzilla will stomp on ableists. cause apparently saying OCs of fictional characters will stomp on is a serious threat of violence Reddit moderation is so ass it’s comical people don’t believe me sometimes hwen itell them this is why i got banned but it is. v Pipzilla
I’ve gotten IP banned twice. Once for talking about my cat killing rabbits (violence!) and once for talking about racist attacks against my local mayor by right wing nutjobs (supporting racism).
It’s astoundingly stupid. I was never once ever even banned or blocked from a subreddit until like 2022. Then I started repeatedly getting bans from lots of subs for racism, sexism and violence. Mostly for throughful comments that were getting tons of upvotes then I’d get some personal comment from a mod about what a jerk I was and how if I think men/women are the same, and race isn’t a huge pivotal thing, and violence is part of life… well then apparently I’m sexist, racist, and promoting violence. I also pointed out some obvious viral marketing going on in some subs… and banned. I also start getting harassed and targetted and followed by people on the site. It was so weird to have someone show up in other subs to insult/harass me or the constant PMs from weirdos. Never ever got those until like '22 as well.
Reddit was great when it was small. People were reasonable and chill mostly and debate was allowed. I learned so much from so many great communities. Now it’s just a corporate echo chamber that wants a inoffensive as possible Disney like image. It’s run by dingbats with zero ability to make normal judgements and caters to nutbags and bad actors who actively abuse things.
That said IRL things are so getting worse. My entire life I’ve mostly head the same opinions… and now all the sudden I’m ‘evil’ because I don’t agree with exteremist/ignorance-first agendas being pushed so hard.
I’m currently on a 3 day ban on Reddit for “threatening others” because someone was going on about how they would smash people with telekinesis and I made a comment saying you could simply bend a prion without being dramatic and drawing attention to yourself.
I got banned for using the expression “take a long walk off a short pier”.
I don’t even get how the fanfiction subreddits are not permabanned due to all the crazy shit that gets written up there.
There’s a snuff/gore fiction subreddit. XD
I live in a small country that sysadmins don’t care about. if I make an account on reddit, it will be banned the first time I say “hello” in the comments. there is no way for me to use Reddit. the appeal system is completely fake as far as i know. the messages go straight into the garbage they’re not read by anybody.
I got banned for updooting Luigi stuff.
And I’ll fucking do it again!
I only got a warning, they said if I did it again I could face a site-wide ban though. Pretty disturbing that they’re tracking upvotes to a post… they said I also upvoted a Luigi comment… but in both cases, they wouldn’t tell me specifically which post or comment triggered it.
I got banned for implying someone should give him a call. Reddit can lick my taint, it’s not even worth making another account, I can talk to AI bots anywhere these days!
This is the way.
I got banned for criticizing billionaires.
They updated their automod stuff a few months back and if you don’t follow the script you get banned very easily now.
It’s interesting to see the site treat it’s unpaid workers more and more like low level employees. I guess capitalists just can’t help themselves.
The mods under discussion are the ones that mod more than FIVE large communities. if those people haven’t figured out a way to make that a paying gig, then they’re doing it wrong.
What kind of meat stick would do this? I still just literally cannot understand why someone would put themself in this position, no matter how entrenched into their parents basement they are, or how bad they smell.
I imagine they get paid by intelligence agencies and advertising to shut down inconvenient and critical topics, positive discussions of competitors or criticing of the product, via overbroad catch all rules and moderator discretion.
Things just as likely to happen on Lemmy until every user participates in crowd sources moderation, all moderation actions become transparent and moderation are only optional action lists executed client side
(no modlog is not transparent, it’s quickly autodeleted and very hard to search, therefore difficult to audit broadly and even if you found violation, you will find only deaf ears to complain about it)
There’s a robust reddit advertising ecosystem that exists. While much of that starts with standard “buy an ad that doesn’t scream that its an ad” stuff, things like doing an AMA or engaging with users or trying to co-opt user content are all in the mix.
Mods who can approve posts from advertising accounts, block or remove criticism, and even block posts from competitors can gatekeep messaging could, if they were dickbags, stand to make a decent amount of money for it if all the communications comes from sidechannels. /r/hailcorportate always sot of found the line between astroturf advertising and genuine brand worship by idiots, and it’s intentionally messy so it’s hard to tell what’s what.
Even buying and selling of old accounts is a thing. Buying and selling of upvotes from bot accounts, etc. The whole platform is manipulated unless it’s a small niche sub.
Speaking as a former top 1%er redditor… figuring out how to do it and being willing to do it are two completely different things.
Life would be so much easier if I lacked basic human ethics. :)
“Man, I wish I didn’t have a moral compass. I would have so much stuff!” - my brother after another coworker was fired for getting caught stealing.
See? And now you can wear that “former” as a badge of honor.
My biggest feather in my reddit hat was that they included me in their net neutrality filing with the FCC. I am actually pretty proud of that.
What ever happened to them after that? 😭
Oh wow, that’s actually a big deal. You should be proud of that!
And seriously, they go from Net Neutrality filing to racing at full speed to a bot garden cesspool. Ugh.
These mods have ignored the previous waves of people leaving reddit. They were aware of this and have been warned but chose to stay
They are power-hungry
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
'member when redditors would ALL leave because of the API restrictions? This will have no real effect whatsoever. I’m glad that most redditors didn’t move to lemmy.
I mean, I sure did
Strong words from a former reddit refugee, my man, we were the redditors that moved to Lemmy
Nobody hates Reddit more than redditors.
I still have a Reddit account that I use to follow NBA news and discussions, but I found myself going there less and less over time because most of the content is just so damn repetitive. The bots are really going into overdrive as of late, and it’s making most of the big subs unusable. A lot of the small subs aren’t any better because they’re either controlled by some terminally online powermods or they’re some extremely unhinged echo chamber. That being said, Lemmy isn’t any better, but at least it’s more private and less corporate.
Some subreddits have become completely impossible to post to. Your posts get deleted right away.
Plus, the option to default to Old Reddit doesn’t work anymore. So fuck them.
Some subreddits have become completely impossible to post to. Your posts get deleted right away.
I think fauxmoi is by far the most egregious example of this worst. They delete just about everything. That subreddit is the worst on the site.
Plus, the option to default to Old Reddit doesn’t work anymore. So fuck them.
There’s browser extensions that force redirects to old Reddit, but it’s only a matter of time before they remove it entirely.
I mean, I did. This is my 3rd account, after beehaw and then blahaj.
I started going there way less after the API restrictions because my favourite client stopped working. Then, I got banned and found out there was a better alternative — Lemmy.
Got banned from the stims community after satirically commenting ‘I’m 14 and what is this?’
The moderator demanded that I submit identity documents. I pointed out that the account was twelve years old but they couldn’t back down at this point. I think they were trying to do a good job and were at least active but it was another nail in the coffin. In theory, an unpaid mod could be more objective because there’s no profit motive but the reality is that many are ideologically biased or dumb or controlling and none of them are trained. That any single individual wants to be in charge of the narrative is suspicious. Scale that ambition up to hundreds of thousands or millions of people it’s a red flag. Reddit is completely cooked these days, I haven’t returned since finding Lemmy.
To be fair the account could be 9000 years old. You could be a 14 year old on their parents old account.
This one ain’t the mods being dumb. This is just liability requirements. Which is its own kinda dumb but it’s a whole different problem.
We can claim anything we like and also retract any statement except when a user claims to be 14. That person remains at age 14 for all time. Is this the logic? What about all the ‘damage’ that was done before they discovered the underage user? Somebody should look into that, they might find themselves face to face with a 51 year old who takes a prescription stimulant every day.
I joined after getting some weird warning about upvoting comments reddit didn’t like. That left a sour taste in my mouth.
Also, it’s creepy that they check upvotes.
There’s a saying in my language that fits this situation perfectly: “Tja.”
If I might add also for: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
In my language we also have a saying: “nyeeerrrrrrr”
