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Ockham’s razor. The question was about those billionaires accepting Trump’s policy that will cost them not only the European market. Why do they accept it if they only care about money?
I don’t get why in your view, the other countries can act to get what they want but Europe somehow is only a fragile ship
Which leverage do we have over Taiwan? We needed the help of the US to bomb Libya. Which leverage do we have over countries when we are in competition with the US? Influencing the country alone is irrelevant.
we have to be fully independent energy-wise.
Are you willing to go nuclear? Otherwise there won’t be the power to run the data centers.
I’m sorry: Europe absolutely has its own culture.
That’s why everybody is listening to EU music and watching EU movies. Of course there is culture, but we are talking about mass influence.
Europe is economically stronger than China.
We are talking about development options.
How do the other countries handle preventing foreign influences on their elections, then?
Most don’t, do they?
Yes of course… Europe weak, China strong!! Resistance futile, join China now!!
Europe not strong enough to do it alone. Needs to buy stuff from competing suppliers. No need to join China.
But you were betting on China collapsing soon. I don’t see that.
I don’t - you do. The whole idea of a Europe coupled to a fascist US is entirely your idea.
It becomes my idea when I tell you that a decoupled EU is not sustainable. Interesing. Face it, it will happen if the US becomes our only supplier. At least come up with an argument.
If we decouple from China before the EU infrastructure is built, the most likely outcome is that it will never be built.
Yes yes, trade with China, because China strong. I get it.
No you don’t. Trade with China because US strong.
can’t imagine a scenario where this isn’t the case.
I can. But for that it is essential that the US is not our only supplier.
desire to have an open mind, to find solutions.
I do. Try to understand why decoupling from China is dangerous.
Then keep in mind that continuing to trade with China is dangerous, too.
If you can hold both ideas at the same time, we can start thinking about solutions.
Where are you from?
China, obviously. I leguralry mess up those letters.
None of my arguments requires your trust. Even if I am Xi Jinping, it must be logical to realize that the citizens of the EU are not enough to maintain all technologies on their own and that sourcing the missing technologies from a fascist US is a disaster bound to happen.
Ockham’s razor. The question was about those billionaires accepting Trump’s policy
No, it wasn’t. It was about you preferring a theory in which trade with China happened because there’s a clandestine, coordinated elite in the US and not because there was simply money to be made. According to Ockham’s razor, this is highly unlikely.
Which leverage do we have over countries when we are in competition with the US?
Access to 500m people and the second biggest market on the world.
Are you willing to go nuclear? Otherwise there won’t be the power to run the data centers.
What do you mean go? Europe already has a lot of nuclear energy production. Germany can stay non-nuclear if their people wish so and they find another way to produce enough energy independently.
Europe not strong enough to do it alone.
They don’t need to do it alone. Just not rely on China, the US and Russia.
It becomes my idea when I tell you that a decoupled EU is not sustainable.
If it’s your opinion that a decoupled EU is not sustainable, fine. I don’t agree, I don’t see arguments for it.
But for that it is essential that the US is not our only supplier.
No-one says it should.
Try to understand why decoupling from China is dangerous.
It is not. It is a way for us to weaken one of our biggest rivals. It is in our interest. Sure, it will need us to start acting as dominantly as the US and China are currently doing and change our approach to things, but that’s fine with me and frankly our only hope. They want to divide the world in two parts, I say we should get our own part.
it must be logical to realize that the citizens of the EU are not enough to maintain all technologies on their own
That’s wrong. These technologies go where money is and if we should actually decide to have them here and spend accordingly, they’ll come here, too. So far, we haven’t. That doesn’t mean we can’t.
Ockham’s razor. The question was about those billionaires accepting Trump’s policy that will cost them not only the European market. Why do they accept it if they only care about money?
Which leverage do we have over Taiwan? We needed the help of the US to bomb Libya. Which leverage do we have over countries when we are in competition with the US? Influencing the country alone is irrelevant.
Are you willing to go nuclear? Otherwise there won’t be the power to run the data centers.
That’s why everybody is listening to EU music and watching EU movies. Of course there is culture, but we are talking about mass influence.
We are talking about development options.
Most don’t, do they?
Europe not strong enough to do it alone. Needs to buy stuff from competing suppliers. No need to join China.
But you were betting on China collapsing soon. I don’t see that.
It becomes my idea when I tell you that a decoupled EU is not sustainable. Interesing. Face it, it will happen if the US becomes our only supplier. At least come up with an argument.
No you don’t. Trade with China because US strong.
I can. But for that it is essential that the US is not our only supplier.
I do. Try to understand why decoupling from China is dangerous.
Then keep in mind that continuing to trade with China is dangerous, too.
If you can hold both ideas at the same time, we can start thinking about solutions.
China, obviously. I leguralry mess up those letters.
None of my arguments requires your trust. Even if I am Xi Jinping, it must be logical to realize that the citizens of the EU are not enough to maintain all technologies on their own and that sourcing the missing technologies from a fascist US is a disaster bound to happen.
No, it wasn’t. It was about you preferring a theory in which trade with China happened because there’s a clandestine, coordinated elite in the US and not because there was simply money to be made. According to Ockham’s razor, this is highly unlikely.
Access to 500m people and the second biggest market on the world.
What do you mean go? Europe already has a lot of nuclear energy production. Germany can stay non-nuclear if their people wish so and they find another way to produce enough energy independently.
They don’t need to do it alone. Just not rely on China, the US and Russia.
If it’s your opinion that a decoupled EU is not sustainable, fine. I don’t agree, I don’t see arguments for it.
No-one says it should.
It is not. It is a way for us to weaken one of our biggest rivals. It is in our interest. Sure, it will need us to start acting as dominantly as the US and China are currently doing and change our approach to things, but that’s fine with me and frankly our only hope. They want to divide the world in two parts, I say we should get our own part.
That’s wrong. These technologies go where money is and if we should actually decide to have them here and spend accordingly, they’ll come here, too. So far, we haven’t. That doesn’t mean we can’t.