America wasn’t fascist then for white people… I think people forget that the last skirmishes of the Indian War happened after WWI and non white people couldn’t effectively vote until the 1970s.
If you’re going to try to narrow the definition that way, then most countries are fascists. Why don’t you visit the Wikipedia page on fascism and help them simplify what they classify as a very complex definition.
Why would I care what Wikipedia says when we have literal quotes from the guy that invented the term.
The complexity is just people trying to skirt around the truth that they live in a fascist society. But, just for shits and giggles let’s explore it.
“totalitarian, nationalist ideology emphasizing the absolute supremacy of the State, rejecting liberalism, democracy, and individualism for a collective, hierarchical society focused on national power, glory, and unity, organized corporatist-style with state control over economy and industry, built on myth, militarism, and the cult of the strong leader.”
Wow, so basically the US was fascist before we had a word for it. The founding fathers were definitely proto-fascists.
Oh yes, most of the world is definitely fascist as well. Did you miss the US toppling tons of nations and installing dictators?
If 90% + of all policy in all governments are written by corporations that pretty much seals it.
Liberalism, democracy, equality, etc. are just propaganda created by fascist nations to justify their existence to the people who don’t know better. Propaganda is one hell of a drug.
We, notably, did not extend this to Japanese PoWs nearly as much as we did for white Europeans. Now, to be sure, the Japanese did not really… do the whole PoW thing. They often remained as combatants after being captured due to Japanese propoganda about US PoW treatment. But just something to note. The “good guys” did nasty things to win the war. We had to.
Sometimes for the Japanese, the person you are replying to is right. America had a super sketchy relationship with Japanese POWs, the largest sea rescue was like Midway, I think America saved maybe 2 Japanese pilots who would end up being POWs and like a few dozen Japanese ship engineers.
That’s with us really looking for Americans in the water, because the according to reports (you gotta take these with a grain of salt, maybe a whole silo sometimes) the Japanese got ahold of 3 Americans, tortured and killed them.
Americans were absolutely going out of their way to capture nazi POWs, and other axis groups. Not the Japanese tho.
I’m taking a bit of time out for myself for the next little while … I’ve had some family loss that was very close to me and I’m taking time doing other things at the moment … it’s not anything or anyone that happened here on Lemmy or Piefed (they’re all great communities) … my life has just made a drastic change right now and I need to take care of myself for a while … I’ll be back later on but for the time being, I won’t be around much if at all.
I still love this space and everyone in it … I just need to take some time for myself right now.
During the worst of the fighting in WWII, allied ships when they could still took the time to pick up and rescue enemy sailors in the water.
So I guess, unless you are able to give a Nazi war salute to the German Fuhrer, you might have a chance of being rescued.
America wasn’t fascist then. I don’t think it is now (yet), but the leadership in power sure is.
America wasn’t fascist then for white people… I think people forget that the last skirmishes of the Indian War happened after WWI and non white people couldn’t effectively vote until the 1970s.
I could be misremembering, but I believe both sides followed this rule
Which would make it far worse. Lower than WWII Nazis.
Yep
“Germany lost the second world war, fascism won it.”
-George Carlin
https://youtu.be/vHn9AWYU0Hg
What in the literal hell are you talking about!?
I think you need to recheck what fascism is. The best definition is fascism = corporatism which was explained by Mussolini who invented the word.
The US has been fascist for a very long time and has helped spread it all over the world.
If you’re going to try to narrow the definition that way, then most countries are fascists. Why don’t you visit the Wikipedia page on fascism and help them simplify what they classify as a very complex definition.
Why would I care what Wikipedia says when we have literal quotes from the guy that invented the term.
The complexity is just people trying to skirt around the truth that they live in a fascist society. But, just for shits and giggles let’s explore it.
“totalitarian, nationalist ideology emphasizing the absolute supremacy of the State, rejecting liberalism, democracy, and individualism for a collective, hierarchical society focused on national power, glory, and unity, organized corporatist-style with state control over economy and industry, built on myth, militarism, and the cult of the strong leader.”
Wow, so basically the US was fascist before we had a word for it. The founding fathers were definitely proto-fascists.
Oh yes, most of the world is definitely fascist as well. Did you miss the US toppling tons of nations and installing dictators?
If 90% + of all policy in all governments are written by corporations that pretty much seals it.
Liberalism, democracy, equality, etc. are just propaganda created by fascist nations to justify their existence to the people who don’t know better. Propaganda is one hell of a drug.
Thanks for clarifying what your definition is. Pretty much includes any form of government throughout history. Is this an anarchist’s pov?
the us is fascist as fuck
They were supposed to. Many records of crews on both sides leaving people in the water, or even using them for gunnery practice.
And those were warships. These are civilian vessels.
We, notably, did not extend this to Japanese PoWs nearly as much as we did for white Europeans. Now, to be sure, the Japanese did not really… do the whole PoW thing. They often remained as combatants after being captured due to Japanese propoganda about US PoW treatment. But just something to note. The “good guys” did nasty things to win the war. We had to.
and even in that context survivors of a sinking ships were picked up.
Sometimes for the Japanese, the person you are replying to is right. America had a super sketchy relationship with Japanese POWs, the largest sea rescue was like Midway, I think America saved maybe 2 Japanese pilots who would end up being POWs and like a few dozen Japanese ship engineers.
That’s with us really looking for Americans in the water, because the according to reports (you gotta take these with a grain of salt, maybe a whole silo sometimes) the Japanese got ahold of 3 Americans, tortured and killed them.
Americans were absolutely going out of their way to capture nazi POWs, and other axis groups. Not the Japanese tho.
No, you didn’t. You just chose to.
Sure Jan, I’m sure your fictionalized historical political power did everything morally upstanding and by the book.
Nice self-drivng goal pole you got there.
Two weeks of online silence from one of my favorite Lemmy voices.
Hope you’re OK, friend.
I’m taking a bit of time out for myself for the next little while … I’ve had some family loss that was very close to me and I’m taking time doing other things at the moment … it’s not anything or anyone that happened here on Lemmy or Piefed (they’re all great communities) … my life has just made a drastic change right now and I need to take care of myself for a while … I’ll be back later on but for the time being, I won’t be around much if at all.
I still love this space and everyone in it … I just need to take some time for myself right now.
(answered privately.)