Be grateful for the gig economy, Peasants!
I wouldn’t work for Facebook if they tripled my current salary.
I take that back, I have enough leave saved up I could reasonably take a 4 month sabbatical so I would for about 4 months to make a years salary in that short amount of time and then tell Facebook to fuck off.
I wouldn’t work for Facebook if they tripled my current salary.
Okay, tap the breaks. Triple my salary and I’m retiring very comfortably before I hit 50. Would happily take the Zuck Bucks for that kind of cash, especially if I knew I’d be ushered into the Leisure Class ten years earlier.
Also… who else are you working for that’s less toxic? Like, Fuck Zuck, but he’s hardly an outlayer in the world of narcissist CEOs.
In all seriousness he absolutely is worse than most. He operates on more impactful sale, a third of the world is his monthly userbase. His whims hurt people.
I’ll just say they do exist. It’s not with out caveats mind you but its been pretty good for 25 years
You mean in 4 months you’d unilaterally change your ToS. They’re familiar with that practice, they’ll get it.
Good for you? 10000s of other people would.
FANG jobs are still highly desirable and prestigious.
Which is really the problem. They are using the Harley Davidson business model. Make something hard to aquire and people will perceive it as more valuable. They have a tough interview process, it demands skills that aren’t needed for the job. The job itself is just like any other large corp job. Lots of overhead, lots of bureaucracy. They do this because it keeps their pipeline of candidates full. But also because people who get hired will often feel like they were given a chance to prove themsleves or something. But in reality, very few people will know the difference between someone who was highly successful there and someone who was not.
And most of them have a lots of custom software that was developed in house. I interviewed a guy from AWS not long ago. Nice guy, clearly trapped in a shitty work environment. Been there long enough to be senior. Trouble is he had no experience or even exposure to the tools we needed. All he had was AWS experience. If he was less than senior, that would be fine, but for a senior roll, he needed to have somthing else. They do that to make it garder for people to leave.
In my mind, fang is a waste of talented people. With the skills needed to pass the interview, most could do a lot more somewhere smaller.
yeah, but those jobs carry a lot more social prestige, and that is very valuable in other ways.
FANG? Facebook, Amazon, ???, Google.
MANG?
Not sure if this is a whoosh moment in that Netflix is on the decline, but, the N is Netflix 😄
They’re going to need to show us the strangest things they can find to stay relevant at this point!
Nabisco. Lots of fancy chips.
Or maybe Nvidia?
No, believe it or not it used to be Netflix because it was so high in the stock market value.
They also pioneered some pretty cool tech to support their streaming.
Well yeah I get that. But I wouldn’t trust them for stable employment when they make decisions like this. Of all the FANG jobs about the only one I would trust is Apple honestly.
Very few jobs offer stable employment, esp ones that are high paying.
You’re totally right. High reward, high risk. The trick is to maximize the reward by keeping risk under a threshold. Unless you’re 25 with no responsibilities then it’s balls to the wall, I’ll sleep when I’m dead.
You will come to regret wasting your life on work.
Can’t wait to read a near-future article about all those employees making a new company that is unionized private non-stock and does better than Zuck’s Facebook. Making an open-source Facebook alternative so good that they end uo replacing Facebook altogether
Also, some people were open to making an open source business community on this platform to share how to get different businesses up and running, and how to grow/maintain them. Wonder if they would still like to do that
all those employees making a new company that is unionized private non-stock and does better than Zuck’s Facebook
Facebook thrived because it got access to cheap money through Carlyle Investments. They used that cheap money to buy up a bunch of their competitors (most famously, Instagram, but there’s 108 different acquisitions in the Wikipedia list alone) and either insource them or close them out.
Very real possibility that a gaggle of Facebook refugees form a new company, get some decent Series A or B financing, start to take off on user numbers, and grow big enough to be worth adding to some bigger firm’s M&A list.
But the idea that they’re going to capture the 1B+ user Facebook market share? On what hardware? With what IT support? In partnership with which ISPs? Through which advertisement agencies? Come on, dude. Think about how these businesses function in practice. Setting aside how many “Facebook Clone” companies have flopped, there’s a value-add to Facebook that comes directly from their deplorable business model. You can’t make a “better Facebook” without sacrificing what makes the Facebook revenue play work. That’s before asking how you’re going to win a headbutt fight with a dinosaur.
You must be new around these parts. Facebook (and the rest of big tech) are monopolists. For the past ~26 years, the tech industry has been using illegal anticompetitive tactics to suppress competition and destroy potential competitors. The government has done nothing, because they’re stupid and think “big = good”.
An example is Instagram. It was a start up that was growing rapidly, and actually became a threat to Facebook. What did Facebook do? They placed a massive bid to buy the company at like 10x their actual market value. It’s an offer so huge that every investor in Instagram would support the deal even if the founders were against it.
A sane government would see that as an obvious anticompetitive decision, and block the merger. Facebook should instead use that money to improve their own product and compete fairly. Obviously, that didn’t happen, the merger went through, and Facebook is still the owner of Instagram. Users and the tech industry at large are worse off.
Look at TikTok’s huge success. If they weren’t a Chinese company, they probably would have met a similar fate. Unfortunately for Facebook, they weren’t allowed to buy a Chinese company.
To be honest I prefer one place such as facebook to 108 places they acquired like facebook. Can you imagine having 108 platforms to register at and keep track, because each of your friends prefers a different one?
*because they are bribed to think “big = good”.
Don’t think they’re stupid; they want you to think that. They are greedy, short-sighted, and unempathetic to their fellow man. Their actual intelligence varies widely, but there are brilliant minds among them that lack the psychological traits that prevent our species from wiping itself out.
Personally, I prefer social communities to not be so heavily monetized. On the other hand, it would be nice if Frendica ran a bit better, but I can hardly complain if I’m not giving any time/money to that project to make it so.
Cool and they well eat and pay their bills with unicorn farts and rainbows.
Remember diaspora?
It would take a lot to replace Facebook at this point, not only that but they are into much more then just social media. It would be awesome to see something happen, but even Google failed to beat them.
That being said, I can’t tell you how many times people started a business network, resource, etc on Reddit over the past 15 years. They don’t work, people get bored, people show up for the first few days then forget they exist, etc. It would be awesome to help others get to the point where they could launch and become successful, but it takes time and every on both sides, and most people aren’t willing to do the work either way long term.
I wish I didn’t agree with you, however, I have friends who rail against Facebook constantly and still send me Instagram links and use their meta headsets. Facebook is too ingrained into the social media structure to just easily be replaced. There’s about as much chance of replacing Facebook as Blue sky was at replacing Twitter. No matter how much people hate the people in charge, they’re still going to continue to use their product.
Im in that boat. Only reason im on Instagram is because the only way I can stay in continued contact with my friends and family is through it. If not for that this would be the only social media I would use
Why is that not already a thing?
Being blunt. I am 48 and have 3 kids to feed and 2 have disabilities. I have no interest in the risk that comes with doing something pro bono on the hopes it will work especially when everyone else is doing it pro bono. There’s no immediate individual incentive.
I may want socialism but I live in a capitalist world. I can’t have me and my family survive on good feelings.
Problem is, what you call “surviving” is just kicking the can down the road.
I don’t think the onus is on you alone. Nor do I think you need to play hero.
You need to be honest. You are feeding the beast that will eat your family later. Yes, you get another day. Meanwhile your horizons just got narrower, as you assist forces in your world that are closing off (privatizing) your world.
Just look at it all in context. We certainly can’t just keep indefinitely playing along nicely in the name of survival. At some point your world becomes a place not even worth surviving in. Are we looking for that point?
Even if Meta replaced its entire workforce with AI, payroll savings would only be roughly $27 billion, a fraction of the $145 billion infrastructure spend.
Hey now, that infrastructure is good for, like, 3 years, so it’s really like spending $145 billion to save $81 billion. And that doesn’t even start to get into how much it costs to operate that infrastructure.
Ok, but if you work for ZuckerDork (or anyone like him) and get laid off then I have no sympathy. None at all.
You were and are part of the problem. The end.In fact, getting laid off is far better than what I wish for you.
Dude… Get real, people need jobs and will take what they can get.
These people are at a much different level, they went there for stock
And I’m sure they’ll willingly leave their well paying jobs in this economy…
Found the jobless manchild.
Which company of angels are you working for? So I know where to work next
The NHS.
Ah yes that saint known as the UK government.
the ANDROID zuckerborg sees humans as expendables. he is a pretty calculated CEO though, he and parker ensured that he has majority country over FB’/META so he cant be ousted by a BOARD.
We can get as angry as we want at billionaires, the sociopathic ghouls that they are, but I really feel that’s just a distraction to encourage us to look a symptom when we really need to focus on the disease.
I am curious what do you see as being disease? What’s going on in the US seems like a pretty typical oligarch takeover of political parties, judiciary and media (this is not even something unique to the US, can and does happen in many places).
Solving the disease of course depends on the given local context, but more often than not you will have to prosecute oligarchs in addition to a broader package of anti-corruption and judicial reforms.
You nailed it. The disease is the breakdown of the rules of society that allow the oligarchs to exist and fester.
I see. Agreed, the root cause for the rise of oligarchy is arguably a much bigger issue than any given individual oligarch.
I was about to wrote a long letter about how it would be good if he finally fire Carmac for the good of all humanity, but the guy already got himself into some separate AI gig. Worst timeline :(
Seems he’ll really need that expensive security detail after all.
Can someone shoot this motherfucker already? Please?
Content moderation like this is the silliest fucking thing
No need to shoot him, we just need an independent court to put him on trial for enablement of the Rohingya genocide and knowingly gaining $14 B in commissions from fraud (while developing a “playbook” to claim that this was legal).
Don’t even need to shoot him, it would be much better to give him 50 year community service as a junior janitor on the Rohingya refugee camp on the island of Bhasan Char should he be found responsible. If he is too good for that, than he can do 50 years in prison instead.
This should also apply to any other senior executives involved in these two cases.
And these are just two cases, there are definitely other, less well known, “regional” cases involving Meta goons and Zuckerberg.
Your comment may seem extremist. People may find it distasteful or even straight up illegal.
But then I wonder: wouldn’t a similar comment have been received the same way if it was made about Hitler in 1920, before he became what we know now? And yet, it would have been the sane thing to do…
Not just him. All the billionaire leeches please.
Is this the technology forum or fuckai/fuckwork/fuck meta forum.
Jesus H Christ
I understand those are popular positions for the average Lemmy user but the negativity is really off-putting
It’s cause nothing good is coming out of those tech companies. All they ever do now is make things worse for the users AND for people who aren’t even users at all. Fuck them all to hell and back.
It’s part of my day job to keep up with tech news, and these days there isn’t a news story about tech that isn’t all about AI. The good, the bad, the ugly, it’s all AI all the time. Even hyper specific industry news that should be all about M&A and product launches is just all AI as well (when it isn’t just “CEO Says” articles, most of which are just more AI BS).
When a new company has something to announce that isn’t AI, they will sandwich it between two AI announcements just to get the views and placate the investors.
it also became super-entertwined with this admistrations, normally i dont keep up with it.
AI is the buzz at the moment and is driving investment. From the perspective of the business of selling tech it matters most.
But that’s largely because companies involved in tech are trying to find use cases for AI that can move the needle, as is the case for many new technologies in search of a problem to solve.
If the starting position is “fuckai” or “fuckwork”, or “fuckzuck”, well I guess thats awesome but doesn’t really seem like a conversation about tech or how it may eventually solve problems or change the world.
almost all the tech conference schedules around us are peddling AI in one form or another, they mostly abandoned other forms of tech that are actually useful. i see alot of things falling apart after it bursts.
Do you feel like AI and its current form is ever going to go away?
To me it seems like we’re well beyond the point of it going away ever. It may never live up to the hype of replacing all the jobs.
We also know that AI companies are footing a large chunk of the bill. Someday those prices are going to crank up and a bunch of work we shovel over to AI will go back to humans.
Heck, it may have peaked already - we may not have any more killer uses to discover. Or maybe we do, and that’s partly why I’m here - I’m pretty interested to see if some interesting uses cases emerge. Some really tough or annoying problem that we all hate to do that AI can start actually doing really good work at.
It’s Technology news, I’m not sure what else to tell you.
Imagine you are so dumb, you decide to rename your company for its biggest failure, and then you get to fire everybody else because they are redundant. Facebook renaming itself Meta is like Tesla changing its name to Cybertruck Inc.
I can’t wait until the AI bubble is over and drags the worst people under.
XxxCyberTrucKxxX corporation.
More like XxXCyberTrucKKK
Tbf, Tesla probably sold more cyber trucks than Horizons got users.
i think meta largely survives because they got people addicted to instagram, FB via propaganda, and now whatsapp. if it was just solely FB they have, it wouldve been a different sotry.
Meh some people just use it I just use it for Facebook marketplace and porn.
Is AI the final bubble they’ll inflate? Usually some new tech gets hyped when the old tech fails. See the progression through deep learning, Blockchain, NFT. Or will they do robotics and suddenly it’s robots everywhere. Maybe quantum computing.
AI is kind of different just because of the magnitudes of investments and loans at stake.
Yeah. I mean blockchain is sorta resource intensive but more distributed. Crypto is basically the same thing. AI requires gigawatts of power, is disrupting almost every tech based manufacturing, uses tons of natural resources. All to create terrible content, hallucinate completely made up answers, and automate things to destroy themselves. Great idea guys.
Do get me wrong, I’m not totally against AI. I think it can be a useful tool especially if sandboxed and run locally. But these giant data centers sucking up all the electricity and water are just no bueno.
It does feel like the moment when somebody pushes ask their chips forward and declares all-in.
funny thing and “robots” are mostly controlled by humans.
Or atleast pre-programmed by a human.
Quantum computing will only be useful to a handful of people instead of mass consumer use. Quantum computers are mainly for cybersecurity.
only be useful to a handful of people
So in the end it’s even more useful than the metaverse or NFT, and they hyped that shit up like crazy.
Quantum processors are already a thing. I dont think we’ll see quantum powered consumer products for a while but I think they will eliminate the need for massive data centres and should be way better for the environment.
I dont think we’ll see quantum powered consumer products for a while
Or ever. Quantum processors have to operate close to 0k to work
Idk, Miles Dyson was able to engineer a neural-net processor with room temperature superconductors all the way back in 1995…
What do you think we’ll see instead. When it comes to tech, id never say never. But I know what you mean.
When it comes to tech, id never say never.
Eh, there is a degree to that, but there’s also the fact that you can’t just break thermodynamics. With quantum effects you need to remove a lot of noise, and near-0k temperatures will do that.
Not only that, is there even a practical purpose to getting quantum computing on an individual level? While it’s better for specialized problems, current transistor tech is way better at general use cases and is good enough that we don’t really need significantly more power. And even if it was technologically possible to shrink dpwn quantum computing enough to fit in a desktop of phone, what’s going to be the cost of it compared to transistors?
I hope they saved up their undeserved bonuses for slapping their name on other people’s work :)
So? Maybe I’m weird, but I don’t have the moral intuition that an employer generally ought to keep employing people if it can afford to.
i do when the goal is instead to pay shareholders. the corp should pay emps first or go on to fail. fuck shareholders.
It’s that Meta treats every human it engages with as an object to extract value from: customers, users, employees.
I’d kind of expect more than that.
Meta’s said that they’re going to to be shifting focus from VR to AI.
It looks like Meta’s VR wing employs 15,000 people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Labs
Number of employees: 15,000 (2026)
Though…hmm. It says that there are some AI things under that as well, so maybe that’s not all VR:
Reality Labs, formerly Oculus VR, is a business and research unit of Meta Platforms (formerly Facebook Inc.) that produces virtual reality (VR) and augmented reality (AR) hardware and software, including virtual reality headsets such as the Quest, and online platforms such as Horizon Worlds. In June 2022, several artificial intelligence (AI) initiatives that were previously a part of Meta AI were transitioned to Reality Labs.
WTF are they doing with fifteen thousand employees?
I have a Quest headset, and I have no idea. But of course I don’t want anything to do wih their “metaverse”, so I would’t be able to see where most of their work went.
What I can tell you is the parts I did use, like the system UI and app store, are complete shit and never improved one bit through the years.
The app store is especially terrible for a company with those resources. It’s using the worst machine translation I ever saw (forget LLMs, this is a lot worse than 2010 google translate). It has terrible search and discoverability options for a store that has comparatively so little content.
Whenever I find something interesting in it, it’s also regularly failing transactions with a major bank in my country. I’m almost listing that as a pro since it discouraged me to get stuff from a headset-locked store that will be completely abandoned very soon.
Given that the Metaverse stuff hasn’t been commercially successful thus far, burning a lot of money.
