This is why I said I wouldn’t debate the issue. Nothing new can be said about it. There’s no fresh ideas to bring up, and it all eventually comes down to it being a fundamental right or not. I’ve never seen anyone convinced to switch their opinion based on a debate. I strongly suspect I never will because nobody that’s willing to debate it in the first place lacks a strong opinion.

Edit: I will say that there’s a difference in terminology here. A fundamental right is one that all people have, whether or not it is enumerated. An enumerated right may or may not be fundamental as well.

That may or may not be word usages formalized for discussion of rights, but it’s the terminology I use to point to why debate is never going to amount to anything. Once something is considered a fundamental right, laws cease to matter because even if those laws abrogate or suppress a right, it remains a right that is being suppressed. And, again, doing so should always require the highest possible standards to occur, and should only be done on an individual basis, not writ large