Not just uncaught murderers, there are a lot of people who have killed without legally being considered murderers.
People who killed people in accidents such as driving accidents or hunting accidents
People who killed in self defense
Soldiers who killed enemy soldiers
Executioners
Police officers who have killed on duty
Doctors and nurses who have made mistakes that accidentally killed patients
In my younger years, I knew many people who killed others.
I have actually met, spoken to, and joked with convicted murderers. And people who committed far more heinous crimes.
I have a very interesting work history.
The fact of the matter is, someone who has murdered another — beyond a shadow of a doubt, I don’t mean to include those falsely convicted — does not necessarily mean to kill YOU. Unless they’re a psycho or something, most killers have killed because of some circumstance that put another person in the way of their life. I’m not saying they absolutely had to kill the person. Just that had the circumstances been different, they wouldn’t have necessarily killed someone at all. Sexual predators are different. They target their victims and set up the circumstances, in most cases. But killers? Not necessarily a threat to you, unless you are necessarily a threat to them. Even serial killers. Serial killers just have a body count. Most of them don’t want to kill everyone.
Yup, I know someone who was in a car accident and the other driver was killed
I have killed someone. My mother. It was intentional, legal and sanctioned. She was at the end of her life, suffering from Alzheimers and her entire family was present. I volunteered, as her only living child, to pull the plug. And I did. Did I kill someone? Yes. Was it the best thing to do at the time? Yes. Do you wonder if that’s a good way to go out of this world? Probably. Would you be wrong? Yes.
I was told that once the plug is pulled, it’s not just some flatline and quiet sadness. The human body, regardless of its condition, does not like being deprived of oxygen and spends some time physically revolting before finally giving in. Apparently it’s horrific, but I haven’t witnessed it myself.
Significantly more likely if you live in the USA. Not so much in big parts of the rest of the world.
Yeah. I was thinking for the UK it’s highly unlikely a cop has killed someone here. We do follow America into war and I’ve got a few soldier friends who likely killed people, but our soldiers seem to talk about it less than American ones.
smh, your soldiers don’t want to write books about how terrible warmongering made them feel so they can get that kovie deal?
wack
The US isn’t even in the top 50 countries for murders per capita.
at the city-level some are comparable though
nashville/st.louis/new orleans last i bothered looking up the statistics
Do you count “gave an old person COVID and they died”? Then absolutely for sure.
Met a few ex terrorists. Northern Ireland is cool.
…or someone who killed themselves…
I definitely have. I’m 43 and people have been randomly coming up to me and telling me their deepest, darkest secrets since I was 12 like I’m some kind of walking confessional booth.
I know a train operator. They are sometimes involuntary involved in other peoples suicide.
That has to be one of the worst choices if you must go. I get that we don’t think straight in those moments of our life, but it’s such a horrible thing to force on someone and their conscience…
Not just trains, but all the instances where someone entirely unrelated will be dragged into something so heavy, like truck drivers, too. Hard to live with, can really ruin lives.
Another thing I don’t like is when others that aren’t trained for it like the paramedics or police, have to see the outcome and fallout, such as jumping off a building into a busy street, even at night when nobody’s there just now, but will be. Or hanging yourself from your balcony in an apartment complex.
It fucks up someone to see that, and I have to believe everyone could make the responsible choice of doing it in private or in a way that affects least amount of unrelated people possible. Like going with the helium/nitrogen bag, hanging within the bounds of one’s privacy, if shooting is the way to go, do it perhaps in the woods, somewhere peaceful and remote, and call the paramedics so they’ll be there before any innocent walkers-by, etc.
It’s bad that anyone has to be involved, but at least the professionals have the training to deal with that somehow, even if it will ultimately fuck them up too at least somehow. At least it’s a conscious choice for them to put themselves in the position that they might have to see shit like that. Same for police.
I would strongly encourage messless ways to go, too, because I think the psychological impact of a peacful-seeming exit without blood or injuries has to be the least damaging. It’s never going to be clean and harmless to others, but an exit bag would do a lot of good for everyone eventually involved in the situation.
But I also get that a lot of people in that position may harbor some general hatred and bitterness towards others, which is horrible and I have to think entirely avoidable if the society did its job, so they might even choose to go as publicly and messily as possible just to make a point or something.
But the others have to live with that shit. They keep going. You don’t. The least we can do is try to minimize the trauma and impact we necessarily inflict on others when we do go. We get the peace. We get away. Those others, not so much.
I don’t know how this would be taught other than boldly and empathetically talking about it in school, to make the point repeatedly, like we do with sex education for example. And health education too. We really should talk about these things, so when the time comes one has to leave, the spine reaction would be to do it as kindly as possible, to be considerate in the choice of manner.
Once you get into the deep despair, the rationality disappears. It’s easy to logic “just do it without bothering others”, but the reality is that once you’re killing yourself, things like that don’t matter much anymore. Then the logic can warp to “it’s still better for everyone if I’m dead” or just “I have to die”, or something like that. I don’t really want to say the edgy thing, but I guess it is one of those things you can’t fully understand unless you’ve been there.
Also it’s really difficult to kill yourself effectively in a non-messy way, unless you have access to some proper drugs. My personal choice is hanging by cutting off your blood circulation, since it is very effective and you can do it without others seeing. Someone is always going to find the corpse (unless you manage to disappear in the wilderness for long enough, but then just disappearing is super traumatizing as well for the people looking for you), but in the best case scenario they’ll just find you calmly in a sitting position and even though that’s traumatizing as well, it’s not brains splattered on the wall.
Killing yourself is always horrifying to others, there’s just no helping it. I went so far I took selfies smiling seconds before just to make sure people left behind knew I was happy doing it, because that was the only solace I could give others in that moment
The candy shop guy where I grew up was apparently a Serbian specops deserter of the Yugoslavian war.
So yeah, probs.
Yeah I know numerous former members of the US military
I’ve met multimillionaires before so yes, thousands of people probably
This this this. It’s basically impossible to get that rich without having endangered others.
On the flip side, you’ve probably met someone who has saved a person’s life.
I saved my self a bunch of times by convincing my self to not kill myself.
Does that count?
Only if I have a mirror.
Beat me to it
