I don’t understand how people can follow a command like this and then go home and sleep at night.
Well as a subordinate who is given illegal orders they’re kind of fucked there’s no good choice so that’s why it was so important for commanders to only issue legal orders. So they don’t put their men in a bad legal situation.
If a solider doesn’t follow the command they’re given probably going to be found guilty of insubordination, regardless of whether it is illegal or not. They’ll probably be called a criminal, lose all the benefits that come from service, or possibly be executed according to this administration.
If a soldier follows illegal orders like these then they can be charged as war criminals and executed.
The ONLY way to be able to refuse illegal orders is to have an enormous amount of support from other soldiers and the judge advocate General’s office. Which are resources your average soldier doesn’t have. Yes the Uniform Code of Military Justice says following illegal orders is illegal but the reality is very different.
People with thoughtful morals don’t join the military. Sociopaths, moral LARPers, and desperate people do.
This is literally what the US has been doing for 70 years.
Doesn’t change the question.
The answer is propaganda.
The guy is clearly insane and out of control. This is squarely on the heads of JD Vance and Marco Rubio for not invoking the 25th amendment. This was obviously not a military target and was designed to cause mass civilian casualties and death.
OH HELL NO! Not in our name!
As a Native American I regret to inform you that
This was obviously not a military target and was designed to cause mass civilian casualties and death.
is entirely typical of the US government.
It’s straight up our SOP
Totally get it and totally agree.
Custer, in his arrogance, ignorance and obstinance got what he deserved at Little Bighorn.
No one can deny that we stole this land from the native Americans. It wasn’t me or my ancestors, but here were are.
I hope we can make the most of it with the time we have left here together.
Respect!
Sorry, full on all of your names, just like all the Germans that allowed the Nazis to do what they did, or any of the other examples. Unlike other countries y’all can actual buy weapons too, so it’s even worse - at least the Russians can’t just go and buy a gun around the block.
It’s kind of the definition of what the US does and has done effectively since the day after independence.
Yep. We need a pitchfork party or we need to remove most of the dems from the democratic party. And all zionists need to be removed from every role of influence in our society. Then we need to gut the GOP like a fish.
What world are you living in that you think the 25th amendment would work right now? Vance and Rubio are pieces of shit. But why would they throw away their lifelong careers of being pieces of fucking shit for something that would get them ostracized from their tribe, and leave the other side also hating them?
The world i live in is the one that warns Vance and Rubio that they will lose their jobs if they don’t listen to the people.
Trump has left such a bad taste in everyone’s mouth that they would do well to heed the warning that they will be out of power in congress for 40+ years (like 1950’s - 1990’s) and they will lose the Whitehouse for the next 12-16 years, if they don’t change their ways.
This Reagan Republican is voting straight blue this time around. This wackjob has to be stopped. Period. Full stop.
US just made it Total War, IRGC are hardcore fundamentalists, they’re not above poisoning an entire states water supply and you just gave them casus belli.
Good work Orange Man.
Israel and the US had already struck schools, hospitals, bridges, desalination plants and other civilian infrastructure. The “hardcore fundamentalists” of Iran have shown massive restraint considering what had already been done to them before the supposed ceasefire. They have more respect for the civilian life of their enemies than the US ever has in it’s history.
Exactly this. Iranians have been known to be philosophically opposed to using nuclear and chemical weapons, and attacking water supplies. Meanwhile, the US… has done and continues to do all of those.
Uh, in case you weren’t aware, they are poisoning all of our water here in the US as well.
Unnecessary. Trump is not fit for office.
Oh look: more war crimes.
My news didn’t tell me this. Total dick move, if Iran hit an aquifer of an allied country our media would cry foul. Fucking cunts.
I quess water infrastructure is on the table now. Good job, America.
Iran will offcourse retaliate by hitting the water infrastructure in the Gulf States, causing massive issues in the Arab world.
This is Russia level incompetence.
This is Russia level incompetence.
well when your nation becomes a vassal state to Russia, that is to be expected.
Russia’s economy is smaller than California’s, don’t be silly.
have you been paying attention recently?
If we’ve been paying attention, then the US is a vassal state of Israel and likes to support authoritarians globally (like Russia).
Por qué no ambos?
It’s a vassal state to any country that has acquired some unredacted files.
Russia doesn’t need to buy a country.
They need to buy exactly 1 person.
Worse than russia
Look, it’s bad, but Russia is striking civilian housing daily in Ukraine, which is impossible to even argue are strategic targets. They’re both doing bad things. Let’s just leave it at that.
The usa stroke iranian civilians daily during the war too. Billions of dollars are given to israel to commit genocide
And Russia gives (or gave, since they’re now barely able to fund their own war) billions to fund conflict too. Neither one is really above the other. The sooner we stop squabbling about our favorite nations, as if they’re sports teams, and figure out how to work together to better the regular people the better.
The sooner we stop squabbling about our favorite nations
We both do not deny that both countries are terrible so I nobody is squabbling about his favorite nations here but I am sorry but it is a fact that the USA did more damage to the world than Russia. The usa hold the title of the country who is involved in the biggest number of military coups , the title of who finance the biggest numbers of genocides and the title of the country who is involved in creating the biggest numbers of failed states.
Russia is funding the undermining of democracies all over the west (and probably elsewhere too). I disagree that either is worse. They’re nation-states. Their entire goal is power.
The US has more influence globally, so it has almost certainly done more harm, but not because it’s particularly worse. It’s only because it has the capability. Russia is managing to do as much harm as it can. They don’t give a shit about the people, let alone their people.
Russia most of time spread propaganda using social media and to undermind the so called western democracies. The united snakes most of the time fund the terrorists or help them with intel to overthrow non western so called democracies to put puppets
Oh but that would be “terrorism”.
I do not understand why Gulf states aren’t pulling out every possible stop they have to get Trump and Israel to stop this buffoonery. Like I don’t see how any possible outcome of this war could even possibly benefit them?
The leadership is too busy being obscenely rich and banging hookers.
What levers would they pull? Most are barely more then a set of wealthy oligarchs playing at a nation. Not really having a tonne of cards to play in this stupid conflict with the us/israel and not the spine to stand up against them.
Huh, wouldn’t expect that from someone who regularly passes cognitive tests (/s)
Man, horse, Iran, missile
Sounds like a fun night
Why wouldn’t other countries just not sanction us?
seriously this and the killing random people in fishing boats with no due process in international waters are war crimes.
If China, Russia, EU and everyone else said nah fuck you we won’t buy any of your shit or sell you any of our shit would that not fix the problem in like, one months time?
Seriously why isn’t this happening?? Couldn’t the ICC make its members do something like this? Or is that not how that works?
I’m just trying to understand. There must be something the world can do that doesn’t involve war why don’t they do that?
Why wouldn’t other countries just not sanction us?
Because the vast majority of countries are dependent on the USAs financial system, odds are very good your country is dependent on that same system in thousands of ways. Especially Europe.
They hate America even as they depend upon it… and it’s even worse than that, as the USA is controlled by banking interests that have been around since the slavery days. Should America disappear tomorrow, another “financial center” will replace it, it’s an international web of financial interests.
Their only goal is profit, national concerns are irrelevant to them.
Sadly, EU is too much depending on the US. Just think about Mastercard and Visa.
Which is currently in the process of being fixed. Just takes some time to set everything up, and get 27 countries to agree to the details.
I know, but it takes times. In the meantime we need to play cool
The USA is not part of the ICC and does not recognize its jurisdiction.
https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties
These are the states that signed the Rome Statute.
American exceptionalism is a cancer and must be stamped out.
Exchanging one hegemony for another.
China hasn’t dropped a bomb in 50 years. How many bombs over how many countries has the US bombed since then?
I know that and about the Hague act thing basically saying they will invade if they ever try to do something but if they did invade them that would be WW3 surely so that has to be a bluff.
I guess I couldn’t expect them to force other countries to isolate the USA economically but damn it would be awesome if they had the power
The U.S. is very powerful. It has the third biggest population in the world and has a lot of economic influence, including all the damage trump has done to it.
China and Russia are not members of the ICC.
Also most of them are pretty happy that Trump is busy bombing Iran and not them. But also all of them are lowering dependence on the US as much as possible, but are quite about it. At least the EU also does not like the Iranian regime terribly much.
Russia is already sanctioned/sanctioning due to the Ukraine War. China maybe could, but they are more focused on renegotiating a trade deal. The EU is already in the process is strategic decoupling and can’t go that much faster. Any other country is likely going to either have enough economic consequences that they can’t afford to or are doing so little trade that it doesn’t mean anything any way.
I guess the closest thing to this that’s happening is BRICS and their efforts to do less international trade in dollars. De-dollarization freaks out the US ruling class, so you know it’s a good thing. Just wish it would happen faster.
I think they’re all too reliant on the US and they notice, the US kinda has them by the balls, strategically. They all seem to be quiet quitting / ghosting, and that seems to be all the power they have. What they’re doing will be felt for decades, it’s more of a slow burn, they are kinda sanctioning, in the sense of removing reliance of all US products. The US govt has built itself up as an evil superpower, with tendrils of control over other countries, military posts, strategic assassinations. What do they have on Australia, that makes them defund supports for disabled people, just to be able to bomb Iran along with the US. There’s some deep seeded control going on there, and in many other places.
What do they have on Australia, that makes them defund supports for disabled people
Are you talking about the NDIS, or the DSP?
Ndis.
Murdoch basically, and theres like 178billionaires in australia alone of 38mil people. seems AUS is a good place for billionaires to flee.
Yeah we need to change that!
fresh war crimes. The US needs to sign onto the ICC so our leaders can go explain themselves in court.
The targets that were hit are not being reported in the US at all as far as I can tell.
Just “strikes in Southern Iran”.
This isn’t even unusual, I’m surprised they didn’t do it sooner.
The USA is hopeful that there will be a civilian uprising, and will do anything in its power to make life in Iran as miserable as possible. Even as they complain about Iran’s killing of civilians, they will murder those same civilians.
Recall that over 500K Iraqis died to topple Hussein for the crime of killing 20K Iraqis.
The deaths for the Iraq war number far closer to a million.
So more war crimes. Yay. Proud to be an American were at least I know I’m shackled to a government run by pedophiles, corporations, and foreign interests.
Let’s make everyone in the U.S. vote and see what happens. I feel like at least once before the great experiment totally implodes we should just try that once since we are so fucking free and are the best fucking democracy ever……
Who would you stop from voting?
Just typing this on the fly but one major concern is Trump is literally sending his private army to “watch the polls.” There’s also a whole lot more going on. I’m not saying this to be a dick but you should look up everything that’s happening with voting rights and the midterms and scotus and how voting works in the U.S and the various mechanisms of voter suppression state by State.
You are the best democracy ever?
Big fucking LMAO!
Poe’s law rears its head once again. Here is the /s.
The one thing putting the brakes on the far right in Australia is the fluke that we put compulsory voting into our constitution (it was an experiment at the time, I’m inclined to think it worked out). While we have, perhaps, more than our share of fucked up rabid racist assholes, they have to get over the hump of the majority of not shitty people, and so far it’s failed to happen. The Overton window, neoliberals and Murdoch media have done significant damage but some sense of sanity prevails.
After your revolution you might consider it but I suggest Open Democracy (no elections, random selection yearly or so from the populace to form government bodies. Ala the original Athens democracy. Representative has shown itself to be not representative and easily corrupted, we should move on.
I wonder if the Israelis were somehow involved in shooting down the chopper. The crazy fucks want the damn war to rage on so they can steal more land from Lebanon and the West Bank.
The helicopter was illegally in iranian territory. It doesn’t matter if iran or iarael shot it down. The usa had no right to bomb Iran again
… something something war crime …
Going through the Geneva checklist, i see
