I was at Shiny Night at one of the local Seattle furry bars a little while back and wound up hanging out with a bunch of folks in really well articulated fursuits talking shop. Eventually, as it does with any group of devs, the topic drifted to the classic game of “who hates Teams the most” and unfortunately it turned out the people I was drinking with:
1- Were mostly M$ developers working on Teams doing their ‘team bonding’ polycule thing.
2- Hate teams more than I could possibly ever manage. I mean, you think you hate teams? You think it’s unmanagable, insecure, convoluted and a pain in the ass for your IT crew? Imagine what the backend for that disaster must look like, then make that your entire day job. My god, it was a level of vitriol matched only by discussing Deutsche Bhan with a group of drunk Germans…
Users “may” hate?
Many also do not care, unfortunately.
Let’s not get that Lemmy echo chamber vibe where a few dozen of us agree that millions of Windows users don’t exist.
Many also do not care, unfortunately.
Meh. It’s a work thing and corporate bobbleheads say I need to use it. Then they’ll pay for me to wait for their mandated things to start/connect/work/do whatever. It’s mostly usable enough to get my shit done, it randomly shows whatever status on my account which I couldn’t care less. And the moment I log off I don’t care if the place is literally on fire.
It’s after all just work and nothing more. There are way more important things in life.
Yeah, the vast majority of people barely even know how to use a web browser. They won’t care about (or even notice) this change.
It’s not like people have a choice lol what are you going to do find a company using slack
You definitely could.
You could also ask your IT folks to switch. If enough of them ask, they might.
If you’re the IT folks, the question is forwarded to leadership. If enough of you ask, they might.
inb4 cynical/bad faith angle of “Leadership literally never listens to anyone under them ever.”
Location: at work.
Hmm…
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Wow, and what an image…
Should give the teams logo a whip at this point
im sure there ar eother ways of tracking thier progress, like thier work/projects done on a deadline. its more or less a control issue.
users have the ability to control whether they want to enable it or not
So just don’t enable it then.
Home users, corporate users have group
policeedit: policy… Same thingIts likely they will be forced to and it may even be enforced by group policy at some time in the future if its not already
wasnt it only yesterday that Gremlin Satya Nutella was telling employees they should not be tracking their staff?
Nutella gremlins?
Hopefully this change will get rid of some scammers who use teams to recruit for fake jobs
It won’t. IT has to set it up - which scammers won’t, and users have to enable (or at least not disable) - which scammers won’t.
Since teams is for connecting people remotely (office to office, office to other departments, etc) what sense does this make?
Being “in office” has nothing to do with my location.
Microsoft sucks so much.
Easier to control if your employee is actually at the office instead of working from home.
It’s not like the pandemic proved most office jobs could actually be done remotely…
Basically, Microsoft Places and Teams have received workplace check-ins via Wi-Fi. The idea is that if an employee arrives at the office and connects to their enterprise network, their profile status indicator will show them as being present in the office.
Joke’s on you. My work is so stingy, they don’t offer WiFi to employees. Also, I’ve blocked location permissions in Teams, just in case.
God damn I hate this universe, why is technology a tool to create new shackles instead of breaking old ones
Because it makes the people at the top more powerful.
Or just do your job according to employee guidelines.
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If possible: grab a router and install OpenWRT onto it, and turn it into a wireless bridge. Use the router to connect to the office WiFi, and have a wired connection to your laptop. Turn off the laptop’s wifi for good measure.
Alternatively, if work provides hard lines, bring your own router and turn off WiFi to provide a protected hardline.
There are many ways to prevent the computer from realizing what network you are on.
At work ?
I have seen very tiny router/bridges, clear down to an Ethernet dongle with a +5v USB power feed. Quite unobtrusive.
grab a router and install OpenWRT onto it, and turn it into a wireless bridge. Use the router to connect to the office WiFi, and have a wired connection to your laptop
A setup like that would trip our IT security. I actually killed all the phones on our floor by doing a simple packet route they didn’t recognize, they have the routers set to kill all the PoE and block all data when anything they don’t recognize comes through.
You have a network for employee’s personal phones and devices, correct? That still leads to the Internet, correct?
I mean, the entire point of such a network is to keep outside devices off of internal networks that have sensitive data. And because the insides of large buildings can be absolutely sucky at receiving LTE/5G data connections, employees can and will do anything needed to ensure they still have connectivity on personal devices. So just connect the router/bridge to that network, and Teams will be appropriately sanitized and think you are still at home.
If it’s a new Teams feature I’m going to hate it regardless of what it does. MS doesn’t make software for human beings any more.
It will also introduce 50 new product-breaking bugs
I too have a hard time seeing management as human,
We aren’t. When you humans are busy working, we go to the basement and eat the remants of your souls.
We also go to a lot of pointless meetings.
Please don’t come to GCCH.
Please don’t come to GCCH.
Please don’t come to GCCH.
it reduces the need to manually update your status, and it also enables co-workers to know that you’re at work so that they can coordinate in-person meetings with you.
They’re not even trying with these weak ass justifications anymore. Are either of these things an actual problem for anyone?
My status is permanently set to Away so that people don’t bother me with stupid questions like “are you in the office”, although for some reason teams randomly resets my status to green every couple of weeks until I notice the increase in stupid questions.
“Hey are you in the office” works well, too.
But IME if I am, they are just lining up at my door anyway and I can’t focus on actual work. At least when I WFH, I can ignore “hey you got a sec?” until I actually do.
“Hey are you in the office” is too much social interaction for the antisocial mindset of techbros it’d seem
