New Outlook takes 10 seconds to show an email after clicking a Windows 11 notification. Outlook Classic does it instantly.
crash?
Search in Outlook always was a dumpster fire. But the search in the latest version of Outlook has failed to clear even the already low expectations I had for it.
I now save a copy of any email I think I’ll need to reference in the future in a folder on my PC.
You could put them into the pile of trillions of websites online, and Google would still find your file in less than a second. Microsoft has known this to be possible for 3 decades and they still shit the bed when asked to search local data.
Even without the entire other 99.99% of the dumpster fire that is Microsoft, this one fact should have put them out of business 20 years ago.
Microsoft is a testament to how badly our society’s system of value allocation “functions”.
Exactly the same as when Microsoft ditched Outlook express.
This is the same with most software today.
We have extraordinarily fast computers and we still have to wait for shit to happen like it’s 1993.
I’m a dev: the problem as I see it has been the focus on “developer productivity “. This means adopting practices that are not consumer friendly.
The predominant attitude in software development for a while also took user hardware for granted.
You didn’t need to optimise for memory and CPU usage, because computers are so powerful now, and memory was plentiful that it wasn’t anything you needed to concern yourself with, except in the extreme case.
Whereas in 1993, you were much more constrained, so had to squeeze things in to make it run well, or at all.
Doesn’t it also have to go through the process of collecting all the data it can possibly get?
The current practices are to make software faster to create, not to use.
We should all go back to mutt or elm. Maybe pine.
This is the same idiot misrepresenting WhatsApp ram usage. His job is to inflame, not inform.
Isn’t it an improvement if it takes 10 seconds to crash instead of crashing immediately?
The examples are pretty funny. Is VERY slow. Like I thought old outlook was a bit on the slow side for syncing. The videos they provide are remarkably slow in every day interactions.
The only improvement I notice is the search. But to be honest that feature couldn’t get any worse anyway.
Which is impressive because it still sucks balls. Especially when it misses items, so you need to dig through folders to find the item. Only for the subject to have the exact word you searched for and it somehow didn’t show up.
Plus the annoying top results and search results being mixed in the same view. Either just sort by time or by relevance. Don’t go mixing them together into a messy results view that’s hard to use.
They’ve calmed down a bit with it now, but there was this phase where they had those small little popups all over the place whenever they changed stuff or added something new. Sometimes even two or three of them you needed to clear just to do the damn job you booted up the infernal program for in the first place. It would drive me insane. Especially when there was something actually worth looking at, but I need to do my job first. But in order to use the tool, you needed to close those popups and once you did they were gone forever. So good job remember what it was and how to find it. Such awful UX design.
Tho Plex recently did a full screen wizard to show off their new “Discussion” feature. A feature I do not want and will never use. But I was still required to go through the slide deck on each of my devices before I could use the app again. UX is really an art and in my experience kind of a lost art for the most part these days.
I have to use Outlook for work. It’s difficult or impossible to find the features that were actually useful in the new Outlook.
I still use old Outlook because at least it actually works.
Same. I will stick with old outlook as long as I can.
Even opening a task takes ten or more seconds on new outlook. What the hell is it doing that old outlook wasn’t?
If they try to retire classic outlook I’m gonna riot.
Windows 11 is bad and I was unhappy when I got moved onto it, but is bearable. New outlook is unusable if you get a large number of emails every day for work.
They decided: let’s rebuild it with none of the features!!
What the hell is it doing that old outlook wasn’t?
Eating all your ram I would guess 🤷♂️
Someone in MS saw the old Outlook, heard the complaints, and thought it was a great opportunity to lead a full rewrite and new product launch in order to get promoted.
Windows 11 ships with two versions of Outlook. There is Outlook Classic, the long-running Win32 desktop app built for power users, and there is the new Outlook, which Microsoft is pushing as the future of email on Windows. The newer one is built on WebView2 and is, in essence, a browser window that loads Outlook.com.
Old Outlook downloads all your stuff when you sync, so it’s immediately available when you try to look at it. New Outlook just being a wrapper around a website probably means it’s asking the server for things as you select them.
Oh that’s bullshit.
It must be really bad over there at that billion-dollar company where they can’t maintain both a website and a native app. Aww.
A native app in their operating system
Yeah, not bothering to maintain a native app in their own OS seems like a capitulation and a admission
I’ve taken to just using the website for everything, because I ran into synchronisation issues with the android app on my phone (which is also shit). I have to be able to switch computers, so that makes sense for me.
The website has got worse, too - over the last couple of years it’s got slower. For something that’s meant to be the future it seems to be going backwards fast!
Don’t get me started on Teams.
Holy fucking shit. Imagine paying millions for enterprise software for your thousands of employees, then you basically get an icon that loads a webpage
It’s so, so bad. I hate it so much. It makes me angry every time I have to do it. Especially when I try to do some sort of action that’s buried 3 menus deep but it decides to sync something at that moment and just pops you out of whether the fuck you were trying to do.
I don’t understand how people can stand this sort of software (or quality of software). The only explanation is they are hostages of the situation.
MS is trying to make some of thier money back, after spending all of thier money on AI development,or hositng OPENAI.
There are plenty of sites that you can check to get alternatives for everything Microslop is offering and you can’t be bothered to then it’s your own fault.
Go sell that where you work! You and I are not the customer, business is the customer, and catering to enterprise is a whole 'nother ball game.
That’s been Microsoft’s business strategy for decades now.
I can’t say I’ve experienced any of the problems people talk about here. I use a Mac at work so maybe that’s the difference. The old outlook was an enormous memory hog and slow AF. The new one works just fine.
It should be criminal to even charge money for MS software considering how much garbage it is
Good thing that the new Outlook at least doesn’t force itself onto you… oh, wait
I use Thunderbird for my stuff. I like it for personal email. Its good enough.
Both of my workplaces use Outlook, and it’s so cumbersome. Microsoft’s products do not work well on Linux/Firefox. It’s like they only test in Edge.
Tried to install and use Thunderbird the other day. Of course I need to ask an administrator to get permission to use Thunderbird as an approved app for both organizations. Not gonna happen, probably. 💀
I am one of the biggest MS hater out there and my organization requires outlook.
Not sure how I did it, but I’ve manage to bypass that stupid permission thing. You can get TB to look pretty much like outlook so nobody ever said anything.
Oh my gosh you gotta hook me up, my dude 🙏
And with the power of AI we’re going to keep making those delays LONGER!
