Look, restuarants should def be paying wait staff and get rid of tipping, but in some states, those are the only jobs available and they pay as little as like $3.00 an hour without the tips
…no, thats just not true. The tipped minimum wage in the US is like 2.13. Theoretically the employer is supposed to make up the difference if tips dont average to 7.25 an hour but that is often not the case. Not to mention that a lot servers share tips with kitchen and cleaning staff.
Are you a bot or is english a 2nd language? Yes it is the law. Employers in the states regularly break labor laws and nobody does anything about it. So it is only theoretically illegal, since it is almosy never enforced.
That doesnt mean you should stiff the server because their boss sucks. That is insane logic and could cost them their rent. Instead, report businesses that dont pay enough and help lobby to get rid of tips all together.
Or just sit there and be a stingey little cry baby, your move.
Why is your default assumption that wage theft is occurring? If you dont tip the employer will pay min wage that is the law and its regularly enforced. If they dont there are millions of lawyers who will take that open and shut case of wage theft.
You are trying to argue this stupid position of we must tip because wage theft to white knight for waitstaff but they dont care about that, they just want tips because it pays far above min wage or what waitstaff make in other countries.
I didnt misunderstand your point is just dumb. If 7.25 is to low then it needs to be raised. The answer is raising the min wage not forcing customers to tip that is so stupid. But even raising min wage to $15 an hour would still have servers complaining because they make way more than that. Getting rid of tipping would put more pressure on the min wage being raised and benefit people who make 7.25 an hour who arent able to collect tips.
Minimum wage for servers is significantly lower than regular minimum wage. In theory they are supposed to get paid to make up the difference if the tips don’t cover it.
Yeah, for jobs that are expected to rely on tips federal minimum is $2.13 with the expectation that tips will bring you higher. In theory if wages + tips don’t cover the spread to $7.25 (general minimum wage) the employer is supposed to cover the difference.
Why are you saying “In theory”? and “Supposed to”?
Wouldn’t not making up the difference in these cases be illegal?
What I’m hearing is that if everyone decided not to tip, then servers would(should) still walk away with minimum wage. So servers aren’t incentivised to change the system because sometimes they take away more than minimum?
Except the same is true for other tipping cultures, minimum living wage is garunteed, tips are extra.
Seems like the US has the same outcome in terms of meeting minimum wage but with many complications and without the legal protections for the employee.
I said in theory and supposed to because if it’s happening regularly then either you’re providing terrible service and about to get fired or the restaurant isn’t bringing in enough customers and isn’t going to make it much longer.
So servers aren’t incentivised to change the system because sometimes they take away more than minimum?
It’s been a long time since I worked in a restaurant but when I did it was a mid-high end place and they were definitely making more than minimum wage.
I’m not going to pretend I know what the answer is, but a few people just not tipping here and there isn’t it.
Seems like the US has the same outcome in terms of meeting minimum wage but with many complications and without the legal protections for the employee.
Ideally, yes. But those complications and missing protections really screw things up.
Look, restuarants should def be paying wait staff and get rid of tipping, but in some states, those are the only jobs available and they pay as little as like $3.00 an hour without the tips
not true. In those states they dont get $3 they get min wage
…no, thats just not true. The tipped minimum wage in the US is like 2.13. Theoretically the employer is supposed to make up the difference if tips dont average to 7.25 an hour but that is often not the case. Not to mention that a lot servers share tips with kitchen and cleaning staff.
No not theoretically. Its the law.
Are you a bot or is english a 2nd language? Yes it is the law. Employers in the states regularly break labor laws and nobody does anything about it. So it is only theoretically illegal, since it is almosy never enforced.
That doesnt mean you should stiff the server because their boss sucks. That is insane logic and could cost them their rent. Instead, report businesses that dont pay enough and help lobby to get rid of tips all together.
Or just sit there and be a stingey little cry baby, your move.
Why is your default assumption that wage theft is occurring? If you dont tip the employer will pay min wage that is the law and its regularly enforced. If they dont there are millions of lawyers who will take that open and shut case of wage theft.
You are trying to argue this stupid position of we must tip because wage theft to white knight for waitstaff but they dont care about that, they just want tips because it pays far above min wage or what waitstaff make in other countries.
Yeah you have completely misunderstood my point. If you think 7.25 is a living wage, youre still an asshole
I didnt misunderstand your point is just dumb. If 7.25 is to low then it needs to be raised. The answer is raising the min wage not forcing customers to tip that is so stupid. But even raising min wage to $15 an hour would still have servers complaining because they make way more than that. Getting rid of tipping would put more pressure on the min wage being raised and benefit people who make 7.25 an hour who arent able to collect tips.
So introduce a minimum wage.
Minimum wage for servers is significantly lower than regular minimum wage. In theory they are supposed to get paid to make up the difference if the tips don’t cover it.
I’m talking about a standardized minimum living wage that applies to all labour.
Is there a different minimum wage depending on what work you do in the US?
Yeah, for jobs that are expected to rely on tips federal minimum is $2.13 with the expectation that tips will bring you higher. In theory if wages + tips don’t cover the spread to $7.25 (general minimum wage) the employer is supposed to cover the difference.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
Why are you saying “In theory”? and “Supposed to”? Wouldn’t not making up the difference in these cases be illegal?
What I’m hearing is that if everyone decided not to tip, then servers would(should) still walk away with minimum wage. So servers aren’t incentivised to change the system because sometimes they take away more than minimum?
Except the same is true for other tipping cultures, minimum living wage is garunteed, tips are extra.
Seems like the US has the same outcome in terms of meeting minimum wage but with many complications and without the legal protections for the employee.
I said in theory and supposed to because if it’s happening regularly then either you’re providing terrible service and about to get fired or the restaurant isn’t bringing in enough customers and isn’t going to make it much longer.
It’s been a long time since I worked in a restaurant but when I did it was a mid-high end place and they were definitely making more than minimum wage.
I’m not going to pretend I know what the answer is, but a few people just not tipping here and there isn’t it.
Ideally, yes. But those complications and missing protections really screw things up.