Drugs aren’t the problem, unfettered capitalism is the problem. https://sh.itjust.works/post/61987714
Gotta get that sweet sweet dopamine. Outrage works better than joy.
I have noticed a trend that social media is not about being social anymore but I’d more about the “media”
Its a place to consume media or generate it but interaction with it has become more limited. You can like it, or buy something from it or move on.
So lemmy is like that cool growing weed in their house?
Deal with it. You problem. I’m here for a half hour to hour and out. The users in the thread trying to differentiate Reddit and Lemmy are predictablly sad.
"thIs place is like weed and reddit heroin " 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌👍
No, they are not, stop posting talking points that justify authoritarian government policies, those aren’t showerthoughts.
That’s shitty. And absolves companies like Meta as stated.
If you upload your ID you can continue to get it.
Mastodon was specifically designed to be less addictive than xitter.
Lemmy is a lot like the old Reddit. In the current version of Reddit, there is an algorithm that fills your feed with stupid nonsense that is apparently very popular among the majority. I guess that makes it even more addictive than what it was long ago.
Anyway, comparing modern social media with drugs isn’t far fetched.
Who gets addicted to Mastodon lol
Can confirm. Those design choices are working.
I love that this place still thinks it’s any different than Reddit.
The algorithm changes little.
The fundamentals are still the same, so in that sense you’re absolutely correct.
There are major differences that make Lemmy better though.
- it’s smaller
- the UI doesn’t suck
- you can use whatever client you like
- it’s federated. If you don’t like this instance, make an account in another.
Sure sounds like addictive features to me
There is no one behind the scenes trying to make Lemmy more addictive like seen at other major social media giants where employees openly talk about being like drug dealers.
Lemmy is also not using algorithms to push political content or advertising. While these both exist on Lemmy, no one is being paid to push these into your feed.
https://counterhate.com/blog/what-are-algorithms-and-how-do-they-make-social-media-more-harmful/
Anything can be addictive, but the defining feature is causing problems in your daily activities of life. I have yet to hear about Lemmy causing this issue but I have seen this on other platforms such as FB, Snap, Insta, X, etc.
I certainly do use Lemmy every day, so it’s definitely attractive. It doesn’t seem to be causing any harm yet, so I guess it’s still far from being addictive in the technical sense of the word.
Just remembered that Reddit has streaks and achievements now. Could you call that a dark pattern? Either way, it’s definitely manipulating the users into spending more time on Reddit than they otherwise would, and that’s the first step towards addiction. IMO that sort of thing is clearly unethical and pretty dark in general. By contrast, Lemmy doesn’t have that sort of “engagement enhancing” corporate cancer.
The algorithm changes little.
The algorithm is the problem. Lemmy is like coke after they removed the cocaine. It’s good, but it’s not nearly as addictive.
👌👍
Actually, it’s a heuristic.
Reverse chronological is second best to synchronous social media.
Soo… is that like newest on top and oldest at the bottom or which way does it go?
Anyway, my Madtodon feed is really boring. I don’t really care enough about anyone, so there’s usually nothing worth reading. Following hashtags is a bit nicer, but definitely not addictive in the least. Hence, I don’t really use that account for anything. About once a month I take look what’s going on, come to the same conclusion as always, and close the app. Well done Mastodon!
Boring is the point.
This is how Twitter use to be. And it was how Twitter could be with third party apps until Musk killed them.
Does that make Lemmy an underground black market?
🤔I was thinking Lemmy isn’t even a real drug. It’s that weird kid who hands you a paper bag to hyperventilate until you feel high.
Or maybe that shit with the whipped cream cans. Except it’s whipped beans.
Copium.
Lemmy is a forum, not social media. It has none of the hallmarks of social media, and is only alike in the fact that you talk to other people, which is literally the entire point of the internet in the first place.
Forums are a type of social media.
Look, the six types of social media are: mail, instant chat, forum, blog, feed, and game. Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok are feeds. Discord and Whatsapp are instant chat. Email is mail. Reddit is a forum that wants to be a feed, and it used to also have mail, but they got rid of it and replaced it with instant chat. Tumblr is both a blog and a feed, as is youtube. Any site with user pages is technically also a blog, but most such sites would rather be feeds. And then there’s games, most notably World of Warcraft, but also Halo and Minecraft and chess.com.
It feels like social media to me. It has upvotes, replies, notifications, comments, a feed… If it’s not a social media then neither is Reddit, and at that point the word stops being meaningful. Look right now we’re even arguing about semantics just like any good social media
If it’s not a social media then neither is Reddit
Correct
Look right now we’re even arguing about semantics just like any good social media
Semantics matter when they’re being used to restrict your rights. The current “definition” of social media was spread by a person trying to get a business degree, and they just made up a definition that happens to include pretty much the entirety of the internet. Newscasters that didn’t know any better started calling anything that made it to the news “social media” even though we had a perfectly fine definition before that. Forums existed long before social media did, forums are not social media, and both Lemmy and Reddit are forums of forums, not social media.
Don’t get me wrong, Reddit is terrible. But so is 4chan and I don’t think anyone is calling 4chan social media.
- The sole purpose, or a significant purpose, of the service is to enable online social interaction between two or more end-users.
You can’t argue that a news site that happens to have a complementary comments section is the sole purpose of the service. It’s not comparable to Reddit and Facebook at all. Look I hate the social media ban as much as you, but that’s a completely separate issue you just mixed up in there.
Governments banning websites is a whole other kettle of fish I don’t really want to get into right now. Social media has always been a vague definition. It’s like porn, you can’t define it, but you know it when you see it.
4chan is a forum because it lacks the features that make it social media-y. There’s no upvotes. There’s no feed. It’s just a list of unstructured posts and comments. What would happen if you added upvotes, comment threads, direct messages, friends list, an algorithmic home page, to 4chan? Oh look it’s Reddit. Which is a social media.
You can’t just change the definition of words because you don’t like governments restricting them. The actual problem is governments attacking your rights, it has nothing at all to do with social media. If instead of restricting social media they restricted specifically “comment sections”, would you be arguing with me on the formal definition of a comment section?
Again I get that you hate the restrictions. I think they’re dumb too and I live in AU. But the definition of social media is not the problem here.
You can’t just change the definition of words because you don’t like governments restricting them. The actual problem is governments attacking your rights, it has nothing at all to do with social media. If instead of restricting social media they restricted specifically “comment sections”, would you be arguing with me on the formal definition of a comment section?
here’s the thing. the definition didn’t include forums until news casters started talking about it. No one on the internet called forums social media. No one called forums social networks. News casters that didn’t understand what they were talking about were the ones changing the definition. It’s a bit like newscasters talking about tide pods like people were actually eating them. They were naive, tricked, and didn’t understand the culture around it. So falsehoods were spread and now we’re in the situation we’re in.
No one in their right mind thinks of GM’s Blog as Social Media… and yet that’s literally where the dictionary definition of social media comes from. A business student wrote a paper and claimed that GM’s blog would be considered social media. The entire Webster’s dictionary definition rests on one person who claimed some absolutely batshit insane things as social media.
But that’s not what people that use the internet actually think. Like you said “It’s like porn, you can’t define it, but you know it when you see it.” And forums aren’t social media. If they were, then everything is social media and the term is useless.
Myself and everyone I know considers Reddit to be a social media. Along with TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, Lemmy. Some grey area ones are Discord and Snapchat. So if you work backwards from there, the Aus Gov definition you listed above is actually pretty reasonable.
I agree that the forums I used to ask for help in Diablo 2 don’t count as social media, and they are rightly excluded in the definition you listed. So you’re really just trying to argue that Reddit and Lemmy is a forum instead of a social media, which you’re entitled to your opinion of course, but most people will disagree with you.
definition of social media (from Merriam Webster):
forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos)
lemmy fits this definition perfectly, what are you on about?
Yep and that definition includes every website on the planet. It’s a completely useless definition, spread by newscasters that have no clue what they’re talking about, completely diluting the term and making it so that lawmakers can pass laws restricting ALL of your rights on the internet but making citizens think only a subset are being affected.
For example both Amazon, Alibaba, GM’s blog, and news sites meet that definition.
That definition does nothing to describe social media except help the government restrict your rights.
I would call lemmy home-grown weed, while mainstream social media is lab refined heroine
call lemmy home-grown weed
Yup, occasionally it is really good but every now and again you smoke something so horrendous you wonder how someone grew that on purpose, but also sometimes you find a seed that makes you think about growing something yourself and seeing how it goes.
I think in that metaphor, Lemmy is more like a tor-hidden drug forum filled with dyi enthusiasts.
Lemmy is the public kitchen.
