• Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
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    13 days ago

    Some prospective migrants complain about high immigration in their own countries or what they see as declining living standards, he says.

    Pot calling the kettle black.

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    14 days ago

    Ilja Belobragin, general managing partner at Move To Russia, a company which helps foreigners relocate to Russia, says something he frequently hears from his clients is that they “don’t recognise the community around me anymore”.

    Some prospective migrants complain about high immigration in their own countries or what they see as declining living standards, he says.

    Let’s break this down: The people say they “don’t recognise the community around [them] anymore” because of “high immigration”, so they decide to become an immigrant surrounded by people of a different nationality than them.

    As I see it, this is for one specific reason only: I don’t believe it’s the different cultural values from immigration that bothers them (they are literally moving into a wholly foreign culture; although I’m sure the Orthodox church gives some perverse appeal), but I believe they are bothered by ethnicity/skin colour. I believe these people are racists more than they are xenophobes.

    I believe, for these people, Russia is a better alternative only because they have a certain perception of white-skinned Russians. I don’t think these people are aware of places like Tuva, or Yakutia, or Chechnya - and I don’t think they would ever visit those places. To say their quiet part out loud, I think these “conservatives” are just people who are white supremacists, moving because it’s a “white country” in their eyes, and thinking all white people have some shared essence. This is how they can justify to themselves being a foreigner in a foreign land. How else could they justify it to themselves?

    • Bogus007@lemmy.zip
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      As I see it, this is for one specific reason only: I don’t believe it’s the different cultural values from immigration that bothers them (they are literally moving into a wholly foreign culture; although I’m sure the Orthodox church gives some perverse appeal), but I believe they are bothered by ethnicity/skin colour.

      So, because you don’t believe it, it cannot be true? Resembles the same small world view which Nazis have - sorry, I need to add to be in line with your words: I believe.

    • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip
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      they “don’t recognise the community around me anymore”.

      I think that’s a narrative implanted in their brains by conservatives: too many brownskinned people, danger danger danger.
      Just like Russia deliberately creates the narrative that they offer an alternative, conveniently ignoring the multicultural nature of Russia - and the obvious conflict of becoming an immigrant yourself.

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          14 days ago

          We’ll have none of that gay stuff in my house.

          Now, where should I hang my framed copy of this?

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            13 days ago

            The quality is so bad that I don’t have to downvote this horrible picture.

            …um, does that horse really wear a black wig? Or has its own mane been colored (the tone looks unnatural somehow) and combed forward?

            Cheesus I already spent to much time with & thought on this pic. Dang.

      • Comet79@lemmy.world
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        14 days ago

        Russia’s been running a massive propaganda campaign in Europe and the US for more than a decade. Including slandering the LGBT and trying to associate them with illegal activities, promoting Christian orthodoxy over atheism, depicting Europe as degenerate and failing, demonizing immigrants and trying to frame them as criminals etc.

        The people who move to Russia thinking they are upgrading their lives are few according to this article, but I’m still surprised by how these people completely ignored how authoritarian and destitute that country is. Germans moving to Russia thinking it’s the better place to be is a huge propaganda victory for the latter.

      • MagicShel@lemmy.zip
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        14 days ago

        Someone who is homophobic has two choices:

        1. Leave behind everything you own and know to go live as an immigrant in a foreign country where you don’t speak the language or understand the customs.
        2. Don’t have gay sex.

        Gay sex must be really good.

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          14 days ago

          A lot of these people have kids they take with them and usually they claim stuff like the government is teaching gay sex in schools.

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    14 days ago

    I wonder if he’ll be drafted

    Within weeks of arriving, Leo says they were defrauded of 5 million roubles – about £52,000 ($66,000) – by a contact they trusted, leaving them homeless.

    Although he is committed to staying in Russia out of a sense of “destiny”, he now says he misses the freedoms that have shaped the American personality.

    “[In] Russia you don’t have these human rights values.”

  • floofloof@lemmy.ca
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    14 days ago

    Some prospective migrants complain about high immigration in their own countries or what they see as declining living standards, he says.

    Worried about immigration and poor living standards? Become an immigrant in Russia! Conservatives aren’t great at thinking things through.

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      14 days ago

      Yep, and please prevent them from ever coming back. May they rot in Russia.

      What about the Russians already there?

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        They stay there. Those who wanted really to leave, left. Or did your forget about the traffic at the frontier to Finland or to Georgia or to Turkey or to … BTW, looking at Romania, Poland and their revolution against the « communistic » regimes, well, that was some chuzpe, which unfortunately I cannot see in Russia.

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    14 days ago

    If we get rid of those idiots that way, why should we complain? I mean, there are enough sources of information to see how a county is. If you only rely on state-issued propaganda and you fall for it, don’t expect any sympathy.

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    14 days ago

    People are so fucking dumb man. Like just take the sentence and make it into questions: traditional? values?

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    14 days ago

    it just constantly boggles my mind how mentally ill people (Leo clearly has some form of mental illness) and truly idiotic people (again, applies to Leo) always seem to have enough money to just blow away like this. Meanwhile intelligent and sane individuals are barely scraping by.

    I mean i’m comfortable in life, more than comfortable, but i don’t have “move to another country simply because I hate a particular thing in society” money.

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      I also think people with the mental caliber of Leo don’t think of consequences when they spend their money, so it’s possible he sold everything he owns and built debt to leave.

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        “Sure, I’ll borrow $100k. Good luck collecting when I’m in Russia!”

        Honestly, getting rid of them for $100k is probably a bargain.

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    13 days ago

    Obvious aside, who thinks moving to a country where you can’t speak to anyone would get them in touch their culture? How would you know what the culture was osmosis?

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      That Leo guy is especially dumb. It felt good to read the end of his story. Scammed of money, devorced, and alone.

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        14 days ago

        That dude literally walked through life like a rube on the boardwalk holding a balloon and wearing a propeller beanie. Easiest mark in the world.

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        He moved there for the government, found it’s corrupt, and was saved by the generosity of the people

        It’s a near universal truth that people, in general, are kind and generous. Government’s less so. This idior spent his life savings learning that lesson, but he still hasn’t fully grasped it

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    14 days ago

    I guess credit to them for following through but now they’re in the Find Out phase.

    Conservatives, tankies should really be careful for what they wish for.

    • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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      Conservatives, tankies should really be careful for what they wish for.

      It’s kinda like when you see a dog barking behind a window, and it immediately calms down when you open it.

      Russia is the greatest country in the entire world… Until they have to live there.

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      14 days ago

      I’m not sure following through is to their credit here. It takes a special kind of dumb, and a huge pile of it, to ignore all the red flags throughout the whole process.

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        13 days ago

        Yes, tankies, please pack your belongings right now, and move to your dreamy wonderland. It is great there! Travel today!