It’s closed platforms the issue. You buy an expensive machine, pay extra for the disk drive and now they will stop making disks, you have no option.
Okay we’ll fix this one by making an open source software that loads all the files into a 7zip before its runs the downloaded content. That way it has to compile everything before it runs essentially breaking it down before it gets, “repaired,” in a 7zip which holds the, “files to be compiled” but can still be ran separately.
So, it would have no choice but to export everything to a 7zip.
If someone made a web extension it could be used to do it to movies you purchased on streaming sites and it would rip the movies and compile it into a digital format the, “copyright,” would be broken by removing traces of copyright by coding said program to remove the encryption but also having it set to identify any company logos so it’ll convert the video into loading whatever you ripped into the format you want And it would remove logo’s or identifying markers from it.
Fuck Sony… Period.
Vote with your money and time. Don’t give them any… if you do… then can’t complain.
Sony are doing this precisely because people have already voted with their wallets. Physical sales are non-existent. Everyone is already all digital on PlayStation and Xbox.
And with hardware prices being what they are, people aren’t going to be investing in PC gaming or new systems. The time is right to gouge and limit freedom.
He isn’t wrong. The last game I pirated was Escape from Butcher Bay, because it wasn’t on steam.
Convenience is a huge factor, Valve has clearly gotten that.
I still pirate a lot of media, even though I pay for streaming simply because my own “service” isn’t as crap. Many people will happily pay for good service, not for the constant enshittification they throw at us.
Same. With a dockerized *arr stack and NZB360 I don’t have to worry about where something is streaming, what platform currently nas the license, what login I need, blah blah. Just search, add, it’s ready to watch jellyfin->kodi rpi->tv. No streaming tracking for recommendation algorithms or to sell info to data brokers.
On one hand, I also don’t have to worry about finding the disc, or getting it at a store (if they have it). There is an experience to that kind of search that is lost, but damn the convenience of this setup is nice.
I would pay a decent amount of money—even the $150-250 cable TV used to cost for that hosted by someone else. Though, only if it was ad-free and tracking free.
I realize that’s not how capitalism works, and can never without he internet as it currently is set up.
And they want us to feel bad for pirating media
Never feel bad about stealing back what was stolen from you.
I mean let’s be real, it’s both
Don’t know why you’re quoting Gabe in this instance, Valve is selling the same “licenses” Sony is, revokable at the whims of the publisher.
Valve have a long history of ensuring that games purchased are still downloadable for customers who purchased them even after publishers have pulled their game off the store, or of providing refunds.
Sony has done neither and that’s a core part of the problem.
Part of this is Valve’s agreements with the publishers.
Sony could easily do this but they’re poisoned by the music and movie industries.
Sony let you re-download de-listed games.
Their refund system is unacceptable though.
until they don’t
why would you trust Sony with anything?
I don’t trust Sony, I’m just stating the facts.
the entire point is Sony can’t be trusted to keep any of this in the future given their current behavior
the facts of their current policies mean nothing
But Sony didn’t break any trust here, did they? They’ve never said they will keep releasing physical discs forever.
They’ve done nothing to think anything would change in regards to digital games.
they just removed digital purchases from owners machines, then made games digital only
be stupid on your own time
Yeah for all the shit steam gets, I bought that now de-listed Deadpool game like, however many years ago when it first came out (it was okay thanks for asking) and recently started a family sharing thing with my partner on steam, who was surprised to see that not only did I own it, but she could play it through steam’s family share. Are they perfect? Hell no, but is Gabe right about this? Hell yes.
You can do the same with deadpool on Xbox and PlayStation. It’s delisted there, but if you bought it you can re-download whenever you want.
For now. After the stunts Sony pulled I wouldn’t trust them at all. Imagine if Steam silently removed even some tools or soundtracks you purchased but never listened to? Instantly all the trust is completely gone. Even if a game is never deleted, it feels like a threat, because it is
I bought a game and similarly forgot about it for years, and when I finally got around to playing it there was no discussion board. Come to find out the game was completely delisted, felt like I was in a ghost town, but it was still functional!
I’ve got a few like that too. Apparently The Last Remnant got a remaster which for some reason didn’t get a PC release. despite the original being on PC. That sucked, but whatever. Then they removed the original from Steam.
Fuck you, Square.
As far as I know, Sony has the same history for games. Valve does not sell movies and TV.
Valve technically sell at least one movie
I have games on steam that are not sold anymore and are supported by valve, I can download them, I can discuss with people about thrm, they work flawlessly, but they are not sold anymore.
I can also share ALL of my games with a lot of people as in friends and family, forever!
Not the same.
Not the same
Exactly right, it’s not. You’re talking about delisted games, not removed games.
I guess you are right, but still, you can’t have that on other platforms and my second point stands strong.
Can’t have what on other platforms? What second point?
I can also share ALL of my games with a lot of people as in friends and family, forever!
Why would you think you couldn’t share your Sony games with friends and family?
Because I know 2 people with Sony consoles and about 100 with steam accounts.
forever!
* as long as Valve allows that
Of course, and as long as they exist. They are after all a digital platform, nothing that can be done about that. Still.
I have this mentality too so it’s really weird for me to see so many people just blindly praise Valve. Corporations have great track records until they don’t. Don’t get too comfortable.
valve (actually the devs) does not put DRM restrictions into most games. most of them don’t work without steam because the developer coded it with the expectation that steam will always be there, and that can be fixed with the goldberg steam emulator.
most games you can just download from ypur library, prepare it for goldberg, and it will work without steam
As far as my account goes, even when publishers remove games, I still have access to my files.
This is crucial for community led projects that revive game servers, like The Crew, Hawken or Blacklight Retribution.
Sony is remotely deleting stuff (or more accurately, threatening to do so)
Just to clarify: I still prefer buying on GOG but the catalog there is slimmer. Steam so far has been more aligned with their users’ rights.
The fact that a company loses a license to something in a game disallows them to keep selling them, not stealing them back from their customers.
even when publishers remove games, I still have access to my files.
Your personal experience here is not relevant. Everyone lost access to their files when Valve allowed Sony to pull Concord from Steam.
Or when Valve pulled Total War Arena, The Day Before, The Culling 2, etc.
Sony is remotely deleting stuff
Sony is not deleting anything. They’re just revoking your access to it.
Do you own concord on steam? Check again you can probably download the client anyway. I don’t have it, but I remember for a brief time people were playing with community servers after it got taken down.
You can still download the client side files for those games after de-listing.
And it’s not Valve that chose to pull down those games. It would be quite the power play for Valve to be able to tell other companies their games are no longer able to be sold.
Sony is deleting purchased movies from people’s libraries. It’s the same as when Ubisoft deleted the Crew from people’s libraries, so they are no longer even able to download the client files after delisting.
Delisting and deleting are not the same thing.
We are not discussing delisting. We’re discussing games that were removed completely.
And it’s not Valve that chose to pull down those games
And it’s not Sony that chose to pull down these movies.
Delisting and deleting are not the same thing.
That’s exactly right.
If you know there’s a difference then why are you saying customers who bought those games no longer have access to the files? You should know that’s not true if you know how delisting works on Steam.
I don’t know if it’s Sony’s choice or not but I know your statement about how it was Valve who chose to delist those games was incorrect.
So you’re conflating delisted Steam games with items being permanently removed from libraries on purpose?
I’m not conflating anything, you are. I was discussing games permanently removed. If Concord is still accessible then I stand corrected on that account. What about the other games I listed?
I don’t know if it’s Sony’s choice or not
Sony does not control the licenses for these media. They have no choice to make.
I know your statement about how it was Valve who chose to delist those games was incorrect.
It would be, had I made that statement.
Pointing out that Sony (apparently) making Concord unable to be downloaded again is not at all like how Valve lets delisted games usually still be downloaded by people who owned those games is the opposite of conflation. Conflation is when you say Valve is just like Sony when it comes to delisted games in that they both don’t let you download the game files again even though that’s false for one of those companies.
Do you not realize what you said with these lines?
Everyone lost access to their files when Valve allowed Sony to pull Concord from Steam.
Or when Valve pulled Total War Arena, The Day Before, The Culling 2, etc.
Did you think you named the actual publishers for those games this whole time and didn’t realize you put it all at the feet of Valve? Did you not remember that you said Valve has the power to allow a publisher to delist their games or not?
because Sony is clearly absolute garbage…
name something valve has done that’s horrendously stupid and anti consumer…
Pioneering lootboxes through TF2.
Well, while Valve had a hand in making that model popular, more so through CSGO, it was really “pioneered” and blown up by EA with FIFA Ultimate Team. Loot box mechanics existed before that even though, I know Maple Story had some.
Fighting the classification of lootboxes as gambling. Sony is absolute garbage, but Valve isn’t perfect.
also gabe didn’t invite me to the christening of his superyacht. nor did he invite most of y’all i’m sure. the offensiveness of this
smalllarge oversight cannot be measured.
Not offering refunds till the ACCC sued them.
You’re moving the goal posts.
Just to poke the hornets nest: if CDs and Blu-ray discs are a crappy medium, moving forward, what would you suggest to be the replacement?
I’m all for physical media, but current optical media is more than a generation past obsolete and needs to be replaced.
I personally don’t get the fixation on physical media. Like sure, you may put it on the shelf, which can be nice. But realistically digital is the way to go for most people. I just want what GOG is doing, where you gat a real installer that just works without internet connection, without steam/gog installed, same today as in 20 years, even if GOG goes under.
True. But steam’s DRM is trivial. So if you downloaded your games and steam goes dark, you can easily “crack” them. I often do this to circumvent the 2hr refund window and test longer. As many games try to keep you entertained for at least 2hrs 😁
Sure, but then why pay for them at all, unless you really want to support the devs?
It being legal and convenient is the improved service that can help reduce piracy.
Paying is up to the user of course. It was just meant as a “it’s not as bad as others in DRM”. Also you could have hundreds of games for 0,- there, too.
For me it was indeed the convenience. I was pirate since the 80s but steam gave a reason to just buy. Be it updates, workshop, community all around a game, news for that etc.
“Test longer”
You can just say you pirate games mate.
I buy if I like. I won’t if I don’t. My library is already too big, that loading it takes ages.
I pirate movies and series though. Without exception AND for convenience.
I buy if I like
Large steam libraries don’t “take ages” to load lol Source: large steam library.
Obviously not large enough :-) Try taking a look at your playtime-list. Maybe they changed something, i dunno, i stopped checking long ago.
Thousands of games are distributed in that form on Steam too. It’s a publisher/developer choice which DRM they use on Steam if any.
And if it’s Steam DRM they use, the solution if Steam goes offline is… the button that says “Go Offline”.
That’s exactly the same with Xbox and PlayStation though (the steam offline bit). You can always play your digital games on your designated “home” console as it stores licenses locally on it.
Steam still suffers the same issue where if steam shuts down and you buy a new PC, you won’t be able to “go offline” on it and play your games. They’ll forever be stuck on the pc that was your “home” PC.
System images exist, but ok? Assuming most people don’t have that technical knowledge, all those non-DRM games still work. I can copy and paste Kerbal Space Program and play it anywhere. The games with DRM I bought, I bought knowing what I was buying. I also bought knowing that what I was purchasing was smooth distribution and streamlined updates and safe and easy network play and not running random Russian .exes with an EDM soundtrack while cracking; but also with trust that those would still exist if Steam didn’t.
System images don’t get around steams home console feature lol.
People buying digital console games also bought them knowing what they were getting. The number of Steam games that have no drm is irrelevant because it’s all stuff that’s regularly given away for free anyway.
Just confidently stating untruth because the vibes suit
DRM-Free files that the user can archive on their own media, in their own format, as they wish.
The ability to distribute media without shipping physical goods allows for much smaller productions to have wide releases and in some cases to make their games cheaper than otherwise required (cough, switch tax). The issue is the DRM preventing the user from making their own backups, rather than the physical product (although steam does allow you to make backups and copies of your library folder which is cool).
The discs served as a proxy for licensing, right? It’s easy to conflate owning the disc with owning the rights to play the game; but it’s also easy to have DRM render discs useless if a game has “phone home” to unlock itself.
People don’t necessarily want discs, they want to own a copy of the game. It’s not a physical medium that really separates the two, it’s licensing and DRM software.
A distinction here is what is being sold to us. A disc is ‘goods’ where are sold the product under the assumption of ownership.
What is actually being given is a service!
We want ownership of a good, not rent of a service and digital via sony/Xbox is the latter.
If someone would make a gog/bandcamp for TV and movies, I’d use it. But the only way to view either is through DRM-encumbered physical media or rent-like payments (e.g. streaming and DRM-encumbered “purchases”). I don’t want my files like that, thanks very much.
So I actually pay for far more music and games than I do TV shows and movies. Funny how that goes.
I agree that it’s not a price issue because I wouldn’t mind paying inflated prices if that money went to the workers. It would be worth it, in fact. But the corporate entities that get that money while the workers get laid off.
Oh the irony:
…Yes I could open it in my browser to avoid this (and the ads)
Been feeling this lately with HBO, there app has gone to shit and I’m debating just pirating “the wire” instead of going through the service that we (my partners parents) already pay for
The only reason I don’t own any of the new systems and games are the prices. That’s literally the only reason
I have a PS4, there’s enough games to pirate that I haven’t played yet that I don’t need to get a PS5 yet.
I remember when Sony joked at Xbox’s expense for disallowing secondhand games… they’ve basically done the same here. Fuck Sony.
Nah Sonys is significantly worse. Microsoft was going to have digital trade-in/re-selling and loaning.
While I agree for the most part, pricing is absolutely an issue too (an ever increasing one). I and so many others in a similar situation have a lot of time but not a lot of money, it doesn’t matter if a game has 2000+ hours of playtime, we just can’t afford $70+ as a once time purchase.
Well there are games where I absolutely cannot justify paying for unless there is a sale or waiting for it to go on discount due to being super old.
However I still don’t pirate them just because they are priced too high if they are steam because I know eventually I will still have easy access I just need to be patient.
Cae in point this summer sale a game that came out 2-3 years ago I finally bought because it was 50% off its original $100 price tag (CAD). Finally felt it would be worth it.
Never pirates it became I knew steam would provide easy access and an eventual sale.
I remember when street fighter 2 was released for the SNES. Our store had it at 64.99 and that’s in 1990-something dollars.
Games have always been expensive, especially when hyped and already popular
But I still have an SNES and SF2 and can play it whenever I want. No chance a licensing server rejects me or a lic is flagged invalid in the future.
That’s the difference. I know as long as the hardware works, I can always use that game.
As it has been for all of time: as long as Tom is trying to eat Jerry, Jerry will find new inventive ways to kick Toms teeth in.
