State sponsored rape and murder, but if you phrase your criticism of Israel in the wrong way, instant censorship in the west.
Israel has a “right to exist” the same way Rhodesia, Belgian Congo or Nazi Germany did.
“Rape” she means strip-searched.
The third time Anna Liedtke was subjected to an illegal strip-search in Israeli detention, female prison guards forced her on to her knees, covered her mouth to stop her screaming and raped her…
The victim and the article distinguish between the already-illegal strip search and the sexual assault.
Fuck you
This is embarrassing. Read the article
To respond to your edit: rape was accurate, even with the pretense of a strip search. Do not tell us what she meant. You are trivializing what happened to her.
When she refused, guards pulled off her clothes, groped her and forced her to kneel. One of them inserted her fingers into Liedtke’s vagina and then her anus, Liedtke said.
Am I missing something, other than the kneeling, that sounds almost exactly like a strip search?
Nobody wants to be strip searched, yes it’s humiliating, and I doubt a foreign country is going to oblige to you rejecting their terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_search
Before I fan the flames more, no I don’t think it was warranted but to claim it as “rape” may be a stretch.
You’re confusing a cavity search by a medical professional in a sterile environment, with weaponizing sex acts to traumatize the victim and as a show of power.
Perhaps, apologies I knew that comment would open a can of worms.
I hate the lax use of the term too. but that one incident really was that.
Sometimes I see comments downvoted a lot and I can’t understand why.
Israel should have handled that way more elegant. See theres just a bunch of teens on a boat, seize it, invite them to some kind of PR Dinner with a diplomat of some sort and deport them home with a huge handling fee. Treat them nice with a fat bill. Sun Tzu would be proud. Instead they do this…
Yes, they could do that. Why didn’t they? Is it because Israeli citizens actually expect their government to torture and kill people?
Why are you carrying water for people who literally raped people who were giving fucking aid?
They probably are this brazen because they are narcissistic sociopaths that keep getting away with their crimes
Rape prisoners? With dogs? Even mentioning the fact is nowt antisemitism. Murdering children? All fine because opening your mouth is antisemitism
For a long time the world was told about how horrible Jews were treated during WWII and yes, that was a horror show to which we said: never again
And here we are…
IDF used dogs to torture human beings with rape. Your fantasizing about a more sane but still evil Israeli state is very telling,; that you see no issue with misrepresenting the adult floatilla activists as teens to try to discredit them in contrast to a genocide regime when that simply implies the IDF raped teenagers shows how morally numb, if no complicit you are in this discourse.
Europe doing nothing about Israel kidnapping and raping their citizens tells you all you need to know.
I hope she’s doing better…
This is DISGUSTING! TELLING people about how Israelis RAPED you is ANTI SEMETIC!
-Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer!
No really, you’re recognizable for it but why
This is a country that proudly raped prisoners in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.
It’s a country that believes prison rape within the state system is part of the punishment for criminality. Literally “don’t drop the soap” used as a threat aimed at people accused of crimes.
Old enough to remember how D.A.R.E. officers would recount sexual assault in prisons as a means of scaring people off drug use. Americans deeply and indelibly believe in the power of corrective rapes. It is embedded in our culture.
Previous boss was a Coastie that was deployed for prison duty. I made a lot of snide rapist comments when I was pissed at him.
I mean, the only reason most of the founding fathers have descendants is because of the rapes, so its pretty much a founding principal
What is the deal with the uppercase?
It’s their schtick.
Pissrael Nazis literally raped Palestinian civilians with dogs. This happening to flotilla activists is par for the course. If they had been Palestinian women their fate would have been much worse. This is all well known stuff - the most moral army in the world uses rape as a weapon.
Because they lost every last shred of humanity. Has been a while since that happened to a whole country…
When did they ever have it?
People forget this but Israel was founded with Genocide. Against Jews during the holocaust, yes, but also against Arabs in the region during the Nakba, so that the Zionists could carve out their ethnostate. This is not new behavior for them. They’ve literally been doing this for decades.
Most of the Zionist immigration actually occurred before the Holocaust. In fact, the Zionists were actively refusing Jewish refugees because they would have “tainted” the movement.
https://palestinenexus.com/articles/eugenicism
From the late 19th century through the 1950s, Zionist leaders adopted a selective immigration policy designed to exclude ‘undesirable’ Jews.
Menahem Sheinkin described them as “miserable paupers, depressed and patched up, with bundles like rag-merchants, the poorest of the poor, who could not possibly be a blessing to the country.”
By the early 1900s, an office was established in Jaffa to screen Jews hoping to settle in Palestine. Menachem Sheinkin and Arthur Ruppin reviewed application letters sent from prospective migrants and told 61% of them not to come, primarily because they were too impoverished.
I sympathize with those who suffered due to antisemitism over millenia and during the holocaust. But I have zero sympathy for fascist colonials who created founding myths based off the suffering of others that they actively turned away.
Israel is the country of rape, torture and genocidal mass murder. That’s its reputation in the world now, and we all see it clearly.
industrial scale pedophilia too. And making a sport of shooting hungry kids in the head as they play in the dirt in rags.
People don’t understand Israel is at total war with everyone. If they’re friendly to you, it’s because you’re low on the list and they’re using you and collecting kompromat/info on you. If you’re higher on the list they’re bombing and shooting your children.
This is all part of the “Never again to us” mentality, for this they’re a horrible and derranged country. They’re fascists, and don’t stop at Palestine, they’ve already “settled” areas of Syria and Lebanon.
They’re despicable, bad neighbours, and cannot be trusted, even by allies.
I think “Never again to us” part is for the Zionists just propagandistic sloganeering rather than being heartfelt.
Maybe about 10% of Israelis are descendants of people who actually suffered directly or indirectly from the Holocaust (the origin of the overwhelming majority of Israelis is Russia and the Middle East, not Western Europe), the rest only have one thing in common with the victims of the Holocaust - they have the same Religion.
Now, unless one believes in a Jewish Hive Mind or some other kind of special (never demonstrated to exist) system that via nothing more than ethnicity propagates from person to person the pain and suffering of being a victim, it’s clear the overwhelmingly majority of Israelis (or, in fact, of Jewish People) are NOT victims or the Holocaust - no doubt they have an intelectual understanding of it, might even have been taught to fear that it might happen to them, but they certainly have not felt the pain nor actually empathise with people who feel that pain because neither they nor their close family or friends were ever in that situation.
(BTW, this probably explains why just a bit over 80% of the Israeli population supports what’s being done in Gaza).
However, the “racial victimhood” is a core element of ethno-Fascist propaganda, so specifically the Zionists have leveraged the shit out of claiming that the entire ethnicity which they claim to represent are victims, sometimes just to obtain beneficial treatment that people that ethnicities which aren’t portraid as such don’t get, other times such as now for the much more nefarious purpose of having extra leway whilst they commit their very own Holocaust on people of ethnicities they call “vermin”.
Worse, the use of such racial victimhood stories by the ethno-Fascist is mainly meant to induce fear of the other in the people whose ethnicity they claim to represent - just like the NAZIs before them, the Zionists claim that doing what they say is the only way for the people of the ethnicity they claim to represent to be protected from further victimization - in the process increasing the power of the ethno-Fascists, the Racism of the population and their willingness to commit the most inhumans of acts against those the ethno-Fascists deem “or enemies” because its “what we must do to save our race”.
In simple terms, the Zionists are leveraging the Holocaust to make it more likely that people who did not suffer from the Holocaust and only share an ethnicity with those who did, will support and even commit their own version of the Holocaust on those people whom the Zionists want to steal from, subdue and even murder.
I agree with much of the intent of what you’ve said, but your revisionist and exceptionally inaccurate history is really going to bias people to ignore you.
The holocaust did not occur in a vacuum and was the culmination of centuries of antisemitic violence across all of Europe, from Western Europe but certainly throughout the Russian empire. In fact, Zionism arose as a capitalist ethnonationalist aligned response to the incredible waves of pogroms that were sweeping through the flailing Russian empire. It’s very hard to distinguish this era of European history along tight geographical lines–that is to say, any Eastern European descended Jew, in Israel or elsewhere, almost certainly has a direct family connection with the overall context of the holocaust.
With that said, you are certainly right that an enormous proportion of Israeli Jews, approximately half, are from the middle east. Hell, there are multiple sub-dialects of Arabic associated with these many groups (Judeo-Arabic).
Ultimately, Zionism never justified itself primarily based upon the holocaust because it predates the holocaust by damned near a half century. Obviously, the holocaust and history of pogroms feed significantly into the Zionist narrative, but you have to understand thag Zionism is unquestionably an artifact of the ascendant moment of ethnonationalism that was taking place as the old colonial empires and monarchist systems of power began to fall.
It was also spearheaded by wealthy capitalists. Most of the time time, if the question right now is why is something so fucked up, the answer is “because capitalists.”
I feel like the holocaust is just publicity for the zionist. All the politicians here take money from AIPAC.
I had a holocaust section each year after 5th grade passed between history and english classes. This has made me keenly aware of the depravity occurring in Gaza.
They expect the programming to shield them into perpituity as we watch them commit the same acts we were raised to have disgust for. I never learning a thing about jews or israel, no explanation for the nazi’s hatred.
I remember in college there was always a weird old man holding a “save palestine” poster during football games back on 2017. That was really the only time I saw hints of an issue, which I ignored because I just thought he was a crazy homeless.
It’s shocking to me that Isreal culture is so tolerant for evil. It makes humanity feel more predictable, easy to manipulate, almost animal. No values or principles able to stop a modern genocide. It’s numbing.
Whilst the Holocaust has been de facto weaponized in countries like Germany, UK and US to enable the vile actions of the most murderous present day white supremacist nation which are fast turning into another Holocaust, personally I think it is important for people to empathise with the victims of the Holocaust and, ideally, feel horror at the idea of such things being done to human beings, ANY human beings.
I would say that you can distinguish the genuine, “Never again should be this done to anybody” rememberances of the Holocaust from the racialized propagandistic or at least propaganda-tainted ones, by the obcession in the latter with the Jewish victims, whilst the former are much more agnostic in terms of the ethnicity of the victims. For the NAZI Holocaust there’s quite a simple test for this: do they mention both the Jewish People and the Roma People or neither, or do they overwhelmingly focus of the Jewish victims but not other victims? The NAZIs didn’t just target Jews for extermination, they also targetted other groups of people such as the Romani (1/4 million of who were murderered by the NAZIs) the handicappped and even Communists.
Remembering the horrors of the Holocaust is important, it’s the hyper-racialized variants of the rememberances (a format which, curiously, follows the NAZI mindset that people’s race is the most important thing) that I disagree with because I believe it promotes racist interpretations of the world and even racist beliefs (for example, the idea that all Jews are victims when in reality only a fraction of them were actual victims requires believing in a version of “All Jews are the same”) and can be used by supremacist ideologies to spread feelings of fear amongst people of the etnicity they claim to represent and to defend, in order to make such people more Racist and more approving of the actions of the supremacists (which is exactly what we see in Israel)
The Humanitarian “Never again should be this done to anybody”, is very very different in terms of the way to look at people and of its objectives, than the Race-specific “Never again should be this done to Jews”, especially in light of there having been very large numbers other victims of the Holocaust - some even targetted for extermination due to their ethnicity - whose pain the latter version disregards.
