• Sundray@lemmus.org
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    2 months ago

    “Ooo, I can’t believe I’m going to pay $100 for GTA 6 after all this shit!”

    - A Gamer

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    Basically, Microsoft spies on everyone. They’ll identify you and let the feds trawl through your OneDrive account. On Windows, it actually takes a very conscious effort to NOT upload files to OneDrive.

    They’re targeting a guy just because he unknowingly interacted with the suspect. As a joke.

    If anyone questions why people like me have a GrapheneOS pixel connecting to self-hosted cloud storage on a home linux server, this is why.

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      I saw a story about them preempptively sending information to the FBI, not responging to a warrant, but snitching on someone for their computer activity.

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    They’re fishing with a dragnet subpoena for everyone on 3 discord servers whether or not they had anything to do with to the leak.

    This is like demanding the lifetime customer history of everyone who had ever gone to a bar where a crime happened.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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      they only need to get one, intimidate that 1 person to come foward, set an example. they do this with movies being pirated in the past. mass subpeona for certain movies and shows.

  • Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
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    It’s my understanding that this essentially amounts to the legal and collateral doxing of hundreds of thousands of people, if it covers all members of these servers.

    Stop using Windows. Stop using Discord.

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      Stop using Windows. Stop using Discord.

      Yep. On it almost a year now, ever since 10 was EOL’d and I learned Discord was building a profile on every user based on usage.

      Linux has been awesome and Discord mostly sucked anyway.

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        What solution did you end up on post Discord? If you had a group of people you communicated on Discord with, did you have luck migrating them out? I’d like to move, but my use is already really minimal and I feel like getting my friend group out is going to be difficult to non-existent in some cases.

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          Matrix is what I moved to. To make transition easier for my core friends I wrote a guide with step by step instructions and pre-made a replica of our discord server. I got probably 70% of them to come over.

          The real hit was large communities. For roughly a month I came in daily letting my communities know about what was happening and that I was gonna switch so if people wanted to find me here is where they could find me. I got 3 kinds of replies:

          1. The nihilistic “I’ll never escape it, everyone already has my information, why fight it”
          2. (In reference to the ID verification) “I’m not American so I don’t care if people have my ID because my country doesn’t have the problems America has”
          3. “Moving is too hard and I use one specific feature the other apps don’t have and my friends are here so I’ll move when they move”

          Moving to the new platform, giving a grace period to friends, and then moving and cutting contact with the platform had the highest success rate. People that want to talk with you will move, even if it’s just to only talk with you. But the hardest thing is accepting that some people just don’t care about their privacy and want the easy to use features enough that they are willing to lose contact with you.

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          None. I was never invested in it very heavily. I had one channel that I was a pretty involved member on but the whole “you don’t have to tell them how old you are, they’re going to use an algorithm and your usage patterns to deduce it,” I was just haha no, fuck that, and I quit.

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            Fair enough. I strictly use it for comms in games I play with friends. I’m not active in any other communities and I’m certainly not paying for nitro. I’d like to migrate but getting everyone to do so probably won’t happen. I could maybe convince my closest game friends, but I have a clan in a game with people I don’t know that we use discord to chat. Definitely not getting all 40+ to move.

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        I dumped Discord when I heard they were trying to do an IPO, as soon as that happens a company is without fail going to screw all of their customers because if there are shareholders the customer becomes the product.

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          Not when they announced they’ll require government IDs for age verification?

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            Already gone by then.

            But that was the final straw for Google when I deleted an account that was a legal adult because they demanded my driver’s license for a music video.

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          This is going to happen with every large centralized service, especially if they let you use it for free. These services end up being expensive to run.

          The only real solution is to use something decentralized. You’re already on Lemmy so I assume you already know this. Matrix is decent (not perfect, but it’s pretty good) and it’s easily self-hostable using Tuwunel.

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            Tuwunel should not be recommended to new users.

            Keep in mind the claim of being official is not true: this is a claim by one of the former co-maintainers of conduwuit, to claim legitimacy over other projects like continuwuity. Additionally, tuwunel’s maintainer has openly made threats against the maintainers of continuwuity, aswell as being formally banned from the foundation for actively abusing protocol exploits. I’m not sure I’d trust a project primarily maintained by them for these reasons. Additionally, it’s maintainer appears to currently also be pushing for publishing how to exploit the security vulnerabilities from the upcoming security release.

            — aur tuwunel-git, corroborated by nex (CoI: continuwuity maintainer; has received death thrrats from tuwunel developers) in #offtopic:continuwuity.org a few upgrades ago

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              I don’t usually get involved in internet drama so I wasn’t aware of this.

              I started with Conduit. I hit some bugs though, and development was very slow. I looked at all the forks. Conduwuit was the most active, and all the issues I had were solved, so I used it. It got archived because of some other internet drama, and the readme said to use Tuwunel instead, which is what I’m using now.

              Should I use something else?

              I dunno. Use whatever I guess, as long as it’s not Synapse.

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            Alreeady on Matrix, too, of course. And my main social is Mastodon.

            I’ve purged Meta, Microsoft, Google, Sony, all of them. Heck, I’ll even be lookin in to alternative GPUs for the next build, and how well I can run things on RISC-V rather than x64 or ARM.

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    Fucking peoples lives over for leaking what is essentially advertising is an insane timeline to be living in. In a proper world, Take-two would get laughed out of court and Microsoft /Discord would be under investigation for spying on its users.

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    Attachment A asks Microsoft to return that identifier for every account that was a member of, or communicated with any of the three listed Discord servers between June 1, 2026 and the present, in addition to the three handles named in the filings.

    I haven’t looked in the directions of these servers… and I feel itchy.

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    Wasn’t there a thread the other week warning everyone about Microsoft device fingerprinting and there were chuds in the comments saying it was a nothing-burger and the fingerprinting was necessary for licensing or some shit? Talk about timing!

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    Take-Two wants more than just names and is asking for MachineGuid and MSA device identifiers, registration and last-login IP addresses, phone numbers, linked Google and Xbox connections, and OneDrive contents for every account that communicated in three named Discord servers since June 1.

    No government is requesting this and nothing can stop this massive transfer of personal information. This is a company mad at facing contempt for their anti-consumer practices and exercising extra-legal methods to find the justice they will buy against the people they deem responsible.

    Take-Two is not stopping at who is responsible either. They are scrapping ALL records of everyone who has ever touched those Discord servers. And there is nothing innocent people can do to appeal or stop this.

    Corporations are authoritarian motherfuckers.

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      No government is requesting this and nothing can stop this massive transfer of personal information

      Plenty of governments don’t need to request it because they already have all this info. Like China.

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        My point is highlighting that this action is outside of any established set of laws. There is literally no regulation around what a company can do to keep information private.

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          Aren’t they using the legal system in this case? So it is by definition, within a set of established laws. Though to me it’s not clear if the judge will let them actually get this data. If this were Apple, Apple would probably push back. Microsoft might just give it away for fun though.

          My point was simply refuting the “no government” part of your statement. There are plenty of authoritarian governments that are just as bad on privacy

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            Rockstar and Take-Two are performing the investigation themselves, not law enforcement. This is corporate vigilantism where the business finds someone they think is guilty and hands them over to the police to enact the justice the business advocates. The police should be investigating and requesting records, NOT the business.

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      I‘m more upset about the union busting than their anti-consumer practices but that‘s mostly because I have no interest in buying it. Either way it‘s an insane demand for a company to make. How about just let authorities handle it like everyone else would?

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    man I honestly do not know how these people are so brave. Seriously. They’re going to be absolutely giga-fucked when they’re found out, and it sounds like they’re going to be since they’re using OneDrive, Discord, and it sounds like their crypto address is directly linked to a known crypto exchange who validates IDs. It’s only a matter of time. At this point they should be planning on leaving the country IMO.

    Also note how they’re asking for Machine IDs. We only heard about their existence a month ago over “security” and already the lawyers are using them. Don’t trust non-open-source.

    Take Two won’t forget this, they go after mod developers. They’re only a step down from Nintendo in terms of their legal pushes.

    If there is no jail (which at this point I’d be surprised), minimum they’re going to have millions owed. Guaranteed these are some idiot kids who are going to fuck up the rest of their lives.

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      It’s probably some 20 year old who thinks they are making a statement. They are getting gassed up by people agreeing with with stated goal. But gonna really regret it a year from now when they are screwed and everyone forgot

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        Yeah it’s important to keep perspective. To Take Two this represents material loss, millions of dollars potentially gone, ruining an entire marketing campaign and wasting shitloads of money. (Remember, whether or not you agree, that’s their perspective).

        To this hacker’s perspective, it is a 100 dollar game. Do I agree with the fact that gaming has gotten insanely shitty? Absolutely. However at the end of the day it’s a game, and you’re gambling your entire future livelihood and wellbeing.

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          material loss

          This is the one I take issue with. If selling your game involves secrecy and hype, rather than making a good game, then that is solely their fault for a poor business decision.

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      brave

      What a fucking joke. It’s a video game. There are very real issues in the world right now, I wish people would stop talking about this like some white hat saint.

      Nobody has any real fucking values anymore

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    After seeing the leaks, I can now understand the panic. This can result in a lot of hype going away and cancelled pre-orders due to the fact that it just looks like another GTA game and not some miracle that many tried to portray.

    Probably a reason they started pre-orders before showing gameplay.

    Manage your expectations people.

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    Not to defend anybody involved here but the article does not say that the request has been fulfilled, only filed

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    Ngl, the fact that they’ll probably block me out of playing because of my OS of choice already killed the hype for me

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      Single player will probably work. It did for V. That’s all I give a shit about personally. That said, this is kinda feeling like a yoho kinda game to me.

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        Some games even block you out of single player if you don’t have that kernel malware installed sadly. Battlefield 6’s single player for instance.

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      OS of choice in this case being anything that isn’t a game console.

      I am not going to buy the game multiple times, if I’m going to get it I’m gonna get it on PC where I can get mods because as sure as hell I have no interest in GTA online