a certain instance can, but that won’t affect the network as a whole that much. you hop over to another instance and done. the developers also could, but it’s open source, it can be forked by dedicated server operators. It’s also developed by a nonprofit, so there’s not abig risk, and thry have a good track record.
I wish PeerTube worked. For a while I tried just leaving in running on the theory that it might help out, but it didn’t seem to do anything. Not sure if I’m doing it wrong?
Same, dude. The power users will assume everyone has the time to assemble/learn the skill of setting it up. That being said, it’s on my list of things to figure out one day!
I wanted it to not be dog slow, because every one I tried spent all its time buffering. I’m not really sure how the architecture of it works but it seemed to suggest some kind of p2p thing so thought that leaving the window open might seed it? But either it didn’t or just nobody was interested.
you are not seeding by just leaving the window open on any peertube page. you are only seeding the specific video you have opened, if you have opened one, and probably not the complete video just the last segments you still have cached. this p2p sharing is mostly for when a certain video gets popular, to help with peek load, and for live streams. if the video was buffering for a long time it’s probably because the server did not have enough upload bandwidth, and no other viewer had the video segments.
It’s the truth but it also is fantastic proof why the entire concept is doa. The fact this needs explaining at all or is even a problem. Means it’s a non viable system.
Even technical users aren’t going to want to have to fiddle and tinker and read documentation for base entertainment.
It either works or it’s worthless. That’s the bar you have to pass for basic entertainment.
I’m running a private, unfederated node; it works. I watch TILVIDS whenever I can find something on there.
This is not an “if you build it, they will come” scenario,
There’s no monetization, so there are almost no content creators.
Creators generally don’t do it for free.
Good creators rely on income from the videos to produce higher-quality videos
Youtube:
surfaces creators’ videos
pays creators
hosts the videos
handles CDN
Peertube:
The creator pays to host the video (largely against their ISP’s wishes)
There’s no surfacing
There’s no payments
If you’re lucky peertube doesn’t need CDN.
Even if they go all patreon, they’re still not getting that extra cash, surfacing, and free hosting that youtube does.
We need some kind of FOSS Patreon and to have Peertube do some kind of partner/recommendation engine.
I’d rather money not be involved. There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless. I’d actually say YouTubes monetization is what made it shitty
There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless.
But there really aren’t. They would be all over the free platforms that have existed for years. But Peertube is nearly bereft of quality content, there are maybe a dozen regular creators that make anything interesting enough to 50% of the population to watch.
No money means no videos. That’s just facts, you can bitch moan and cry if you want. But till money gets involved your not going to see anything actually meaningfully grow.
Video production is just too costly to produce even on a hobbyists level. Either in time or money.
I’m not shilling for LMG, but something like Floatplane would make sense. You pay per creator for their extra content and ad free viewing and the cut goes in favor to the creator. Of course Floatplane has to also make money. They’re not in it to serve you ads or use your data to make money. If that took off I could easily see people paying 3-5 creators monthly to watch their videos ad free with extras on one platform.
You can’t really monetize PeerTube though, so you’re never going to get full time creators there. Media distribution has always been a choke point. Always will be. Short of a non-profit foundation and a unionized creators guild joining forces to operate a decentralized subscription video platform, you’re never going to have a real alternative. I mean… there’s Nebula which is basically that, but who goes to Nebula, it’s full of lefties and educators and theatre people.
I’m with GreenBeard on this and was always saying that monetization is the biggest peertube problem. Patreon and such are not an ideal option, subscription is IMO. A subscription that would be distributed through authors fairly, but that’s not an easy task I suppose.
Like I said, Nebula does it and it’s pretty good. Hard to get on as a creator unless you have a proven follower base elsewhere though. They’re still mainly using YouTube as a farm league.
Might be interesting to see Nebula set up a fund for PeerTube creators and start using that as a farm league, but I don’t know that they have the subscription revenue for that yet.
Even though it’s no longer tractable for the casual hobbyist (me) to run a node, Invidious is still usable thanks to absolutely heroic effort by the ~4 organizations still willing and able to invest the crazy infrastructure needed to prevent GOOG from blocking them.
I really wish PeerTube would take off, or any other alternative.
So they, too, can enshittify your whole experience? Or are they somehow immune from capitalism??
a certain instance can, but that won’t affect the network as a whole that much. you hop over to another instance and done. the developers also could, but it’s open source, it can be forked by dedicated server operators. It’s also developed by a nonprofit, so there’s not abig risk, and thry have a good track record.
It’s a federated network of open source servers, anybody can host it. So, I think we are pretty safe. For now.
I tried to use it a few times but it’s truly god awful. Both performance-wise and in terms of discoverability.
Nebula is pretty legit but you won’t be able to find everything you want to watch there.
I wish PeerTube worked. For a while I tried just leaving in running on the theory that it might help out, but it didn’t seem to do anything. Not sure if I’m doing it wrong?
Same, dude. The power users will assume everyone has the time to assemble/learn the skill of setting it up. That being said, it’s on my list of things to figure out one day!
What did you want it to do?
Did you set up a node? Did you promote it & grow a user base? Federate?
I wanted it to not be dog slow, because every one I tried spent all its time buffering. I’m not really sure how the architecture of it works but it seemed to suggest some kind of p2p thing so thought that leaving the window open might seed it? But either it didn’t or just nobody was interested.
Could be a zillion reasons for this. Need an actual instance to debug
you are not seeding by just leaving the window open on any peertube page. you are only seeding the specific video you have opened, if you have opened one, and probably not the complete video just the last segments you still have cached. this p2p sharing is mostly for when a certain video gets popular, to help with peek load, and for live streams. if the video was buffering for a long time it’s probably because the server did not have enough upload bandwidth, and no other viewer had the video segments.
there is another load balancing system that peertube supports, they can clone videos fromneach other and help serving them: https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin/following-instances#platforms-redundancy
don’t know why you got downvoted, this is 100% truth
It’s the truth but it also is fantastic proof why the entire concept is doa. The fact this needs explaining at all or is even a problem. Means it’s a non viable system.
Even technical users aren’t going to want to have to fiddle and tinker and read documentation for base entertainment.
It either works or it’s worthless. That’s the bar you have to pass for basic entertainment.
I’m running a private, unfederated node; it works. I watch TILVIDS whenever I can find something on there.
This is not an “if you build it, they will come” scenario,
There’s no monetization, so there are almost no content creators.
Creators generally don’t do it for free.
Good creators rely on income from the videos to produce higher-quality videos
Youtube: surfaces creators’ videos pays creators hosts the videos handles CDN
Peertube: The creator pays to host the video (largely against their ISP’s wishes) There’s no surfacing There’s no payments If you’re lucky peertube doesn’t need CDN.
Even if they go all patreon, they’re still not getting that extra cash, surfacing, and free hosting that youtube does.
We need some kind of FOSS Patreon and to have Peertube do some kind of partner/recommendation engine.
I’d rather money not be involved. There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless. I’d actually say YouTubes monetization is what made it shitty
But there really aren’t. They would be all over the free platforms that have existed for years. But Peertube is nearly bereft of quality content, there are maybe a dozen regular creators that make anything interesting enough to 50% of the population to watch.
No money means no videos. That’s just facts, you can bitch moan and cry if you want. But till money gets involved your not going to see anything actually meaningfully grow.
Video production is just too costly to produce even on a hobbyists level. Either in time or money.
I’m not shilling for LMG, but something like Floatplane would make sense. You pay per creator for their extra content and ad free viewing and the cut goes in favor to the creator. Of course Floatplane has to also make money. They’re not in it to serve you ads or use your data to make money. If that took off I could easily see people paying 3-5 creators monthly to watch their videos ad free with extras on one platform.
You can’t really monetize PeerTube though, so you’re never going to get full time creators there. Media distribution has always been a choke point. Always will be. Short of a non-profit foundation and a unionized creators guild joining forces to operate a decentralized subscription video platform, you’re never going to have a real alternative. I mean… there’s Nebula which is basically that, but who goes to Nebula, it’s full of lefties and educators and theatre people.
Lots of channels have a link to their Patreon or a tip jar; lots do live reads.
You can monetize PT with Patreon, but you can monetize YT with Patreon and get paid twice.
That’s why YT has 5 9’s of the creators.
Sure, but then you’re still bringing a for-profit company into the mix. PeerTube is your loss-leader and Patreon is your main platform.
Some channels use Ghost instead of Patreon, including one of my favorites Anders Puck
I’m with GreenBeard on this and was always saying that monetization is the biggest peertube problem. Patreon and such are not an ideal option, subscription is IMO. A subscription that would be distributed through authors fairly, but that’s not an easy task I suppose.
liberapay can do that already. but apparently they don’t have the necessary API for integration: https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/1586#issuecomment-459100710
Like I said, Nebula does it and it’s pretty good. Hard to get on as a creator unless you have a proven follower base elsewhere though. They’re still mainly using YouTube as a farm league.
Might be interesting to see Nebula set up a fund for PeerTube creators and start using that as a farm league, but I don’t know that they have the subscription revenue for that yet.
They could still get sponsors and have “ads” during the stream. Though most already do that in addition to YouTube monetization.
Even though it’s no longer tractable for the casual hobbyist (me) to run a node, Invidious is still usable thanks to absolutely heroic effort by the ~4 organizations still willing and able to invest the crazy infrastructure needed to prevent GOOG from blocking them.
https://docs.invidious.io/instances/
Nebula.tv has been pretty good. I’m considering the lifetime subscription.
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