Imagine making the decision of sacrificing hundreds of thousands of additional lives to delay your own inevitable demise caused by your own astronomical fuck up.
Putin is a cowardly bitch.
Imagine blindly following such an asshole and allowing your own fathers, sons, brothers to blindly become part of the meat grinder because you’re too ignorant to fucking rise up and get rid of this dipshit.
We’re still talking Putin right? Not Trump’s Iran debacle? I suppose it’s technically not a meat grinder… yet… we’ll see what he does after the midterms.
As much as I hate Trump, he’s got nothing on Putin yet. A few dozen American soldiers have died at most, and many suffered, but it’s nothing like what’s happening with Russian soldiers and infrastructure. People are not being drafted yet either. He’s cost a lot of money, but there’s not hundreds of thousands of men dying in an invasion.
I did say “yet.” Give it time. We all see it coming. Do you?
FWIW, Trump’s 6 years older than Putin.
Sure, but psychologically he’s 12. Gambling on a man who admittedly has one foot over the grave and the other on a banana peel dropping dead before millions of Americans get a dirt nap in war(s) none of them want to be a part of seems… reckless. I know gambling is more American than mom and apple pie, especially lately, but maybe don’t put your children up for collateral to a loan shark.
Honestly it need not even be his demise. There are any number of countries he could flee to, countries without extradition treaties and willing to look the other way for any rich despot looking for a safe harbor. Some small Middle East dictatorship seems a logical choice. But even China would probably offer him refuge. Even North Korea if he’s truly desperate. Hell, if he offered to end the war tomorrow, most Western countries would probably be willing to offer Putin amnesty, as painful as that would be. If the choice is between holding Putin accountable and saving another hundred thousand innocent lives, I’ll let Putin go.
What he is truly afraid of is losing power. He can keep his life. He can keep at least a lot of his wealth. The one thing he can’t flee the country with is his power.
In the modern world, dictators never need fear their personal survival. International pariah dictators all support each other. There’s a reason Trump cozies up to despots. The dictators all realize that any of them could be deposed, and that losing power will result flight or death. They’re all paranoid and afraid of losing power and their lives. So they all backstop each other and provide what assistance they can. And what even the poorest dictator can offer is protection from extradition.
No self respecting western country would take him The russians would kill him if he went to the US. Whoever takes over will decide if he is returned from an ally. Stalin had much tighter control and he couldnt leave office because of te same fears. He would give up the power if it meant he wouldnt die immediately. They would hang every failure on him, publicly trial him and sentence him the rest of his natural life in a camp.
I don’t think you’re correct. They may not have extradition treaties, but they also don’t want to negatively affect relations with the successor for nothing in return. They aren’t going to defend Putin, because most of the world, and especially the Russian successor, would be after him. There’s just no benefit. They may not extradite, but they won’t host him either (outside of a prison). He’d likely either be held in captivity or executed, if he isn’t extradited, or let The Hague take care of him.
…delay by less than a year
Do it and we buy gas again.
The actual quote:
One source said Putin believes ending the war without capturing at least all of Donbas could threaten his survival. “They will hang me,” he reportedly told people close to him.
So this isn’t him saying “I think we’re gonna lose the war and I’ll get hanged” it’s more “if I don’t completely win the war I may get hanged”
There’s no indication that he thinks they’re going to be defeated. I think he recognizes that at worst this will result in a pyrrhic victory and they walk away with a large chunk of Ukraine, not Ukraine defeating them and driving the Russians back out.
Yeah. It does show where the political motivations are currently in the war and why it isn’t going to be over any time soon. There is no politically acceptable end to the war for either side, so the war of attrition continues.
insert Neil Patrick Harris and the queen bug meme
NPH latest role was being the toymaker, maybe he can do something about putin.
I’m sure the Kyiv Post is a very reliable source of objective reporting on this matter.
where men have allegedly been detained on the streets and forcibly sent to fight in Ukraine
Huh, where else have I seen that?
Good point, but both countries conscript and Russia started this war of annexation.
Whether he wins or looses he’s fucked. Mobilise or don’t mobilise, outcome is the same.
Whether he wins or loses we are all fucked. If push comes to shove, he’ll use nukes. He has nothing to lose and is in too deep to pull out.
FWIW, Ukraine is not Japan in 1945. We have a good idea what nukes do and how to reduce damage and injury.
Moreover don’t the winds in Ukraine tend to blow east?
I wonder what Trump would do if Putin used nukes. If he essentially does nothing, it would incentivize countries to develop WMD, or more WMD.
Bro, when the first nukesof any sort fly, we will enter a new, and last, era of mankind.
You are thinking tactically, direct consequences.
The harm done to the international community will be immediate, merciless, and destroy the global system. Stocks will crash so hard they will never recover.
If only there was something he could have done to prevent this. Oh well.
Hang…himself?
I was thinking more along the lines of not starting an unwinnable war. Perhaps maybe check if you actually have the resources your commanding officers say you have. That sort of thing.
Haha yeah I was just goofballin’. :) (Although at this point, he could solve things that way too.).
You’re absolutely right though. How hard is it to just…not start murdering your neighbors? Somehow these high and mighty “leaders” can’t seem to contain themselves.
Can we chip in to buy the rope
There’s United24 for that, I think
(I am not a financial or geopolitical advisor, make sure to double-check before donating)
sic semper tyrannosaurus
Shouldn’t have skipped arm day brah
kinda skipped everything day on this one
It’s been 1.4 million casualties so far, 400k is just 6-9 months worth at this point.
Ukraine has basically eradicated Wildberries, a main distributor of components and gear used by the Russian army.
Who would have thought outsourcing critical goods distribution to Chinese dropshipping fronts would have negative consequences for your imperial wars of aggression?
It gets even worse because Putin has said that in order to protect critical infrastructure such as these distribution centers, they can request military aid to protect them, but they have to pay for the privilege and once they pay the kremlin gets to decide what to protect, where, when, and how to spend that money at its own discretion.
🤡
Not only that, but if they don’t protect their businesses themselves, then the Kremlin will nationalize them and “protect” them.
It’s their own fault, then!
his own russians also dying from alcohol abuse, and systemic drug related diseases and ODs. its a double punch
Yeah the demographics were already terrible before the war. Now they are disastrous. Probably a million have left the country too.
Prime candidate for getting gaddafied
i bet he watches the video of gadaffi everyday.
Rather he gets mussolinied
Oh no!
Anyway…
400 000? That’s just the next given number. There will be more after the 400k.
he has over ~135-140mil russians, he would sacrifice 30mil men if he could.
there were rumours that accurate information does not reach him any more, as he’s surrounded by yes men. this, if true, points to him indeed having at least soma accurate info.
hes probably paranoid from all that “speculated” corticosteroid he takes for a “systemic illness”. 1 funny side effect of oral steroids is paranoia.
Or he just has suspicions based on how similar failures have gone
Is there a volunteer list of hangmen? I’d like to sign up.
I am fairly certain the line would be ridiculously long. Maybe they can implement a lottery system and use the proceeds to rebuild some of the economy?
That works.
Hanging would be way too a light sentence for all the Ukrainian war crimes…
Stop using ellipses incorrectly.
No…
Hr is privately worried that he will get Gadaffi’d
It’s not “the west” who is going to hang him
