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Mainstream politicians express alarm while lead candidate in Saxony-Anhalt welcomes congratulations from Elon Musk
Mainstream politicians around Europe have expressed alarm after the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) swept to a historic state election victory in Germany, while nationalist figures cheered the result as a mandate for change.
While falling just short of an absolute majority, the AfD surged into first place in the Saxony-Anhalt state election on Sunday, exit polls showed, putting the far right within reach of power at the state level for the first time since the second world war.
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Keep in mind that this party is under observation for their Nazi tendencies, and fulfils a good number of criteria for getting prohibited as a party, something that is really really hard in Germany.
American Nazis like Musk and Trump sent their congratulations to the AfD. Which tells a lot about them.
The only upside is that they won in Saxony-Anhalt. Which is the most neglectable and backwater state in Germany, with only a very small fraction of Germany (about 2% of the population). Their win is mainly based on promises they simply cannot fulfill, so if they manage to form a government, they will disappoint their big time from day one. They might terminally fuck up Saxony-Anhalt, but that’ll be no big change - that state already is a lost case.
Yah but that won’t stop fake liberals and Americans from trying to make themselves feel better about their own inaction, they’re cowards and pussys Imo.
So strange every country that were forced to take a fuckload of immigrant have political party that are anti immigrant on the rise. That was totally unpredictable
Germany took a look at the absolute SHITHOLE the US has become and truly said yeah I’ll have what they’re having. Are you guys fucking stupid???
I’d be checking to make sure everything was legal and that gross parasite Muskrat didn’t have his lackeys fuck with your system, that’s for sure
Sadly I spoke with people and they still think they are offered a solution with afd
damn nazis rearing their ugly heads is becoming a global epidemic. we get rid of them this time, i suggest leaving NO survivors
I suggest a reverse holocaust.
…Im just happy that germany will be the cause of all three world wars! 😂🤣😏
if you think there is going to be a third world war let me tell you something; it already started.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was step 1. trump destroying America, which again is Russia, step 2. all of the bullshit the US (aka Russia because trump is a Russian asset) is step 2. really we are just waiting for the US or china to start an even bigger conflict.
Russia might be good at general shithousery and political warfare but I feel this just feeds their mythos. America did Trump to itself to a large extent, certainly by voting him in after the man attempted a literal coup.
Lol China never does anything except sell weapons to BOTH sides of a conflict. Lol I would be surprised if they did anything to start any conflict seeing as how the world looks today…
Thoughj the world will change DRASTICALLY in the next 50-200 years due to climate change, which will deeply effect parts pf southern China so… Things may changes eventually …
Hat trick baby!
On the brighter side now the world can hate the US AND Germany.
And Britain
And France
And Italy
And almost everywhere
Fascism is on the fucking rise everywhere
Because people are not happy with what we have and want to try something different. Is it smart or right no. But the current system isn’t working for the people so the people want something different. I mean it is understandable they see nothing improving for them and getting worse and we have at least more of the world more left. So people well swing the other way.
This just shows how much other parties neglected that part of electorate.
Mass immigration to debase wages as rents skyrocket is actually very progressive, if you don’t think so you’re probably just a racist. Corporations were heavily lobbying for it so it must be good.
Humanity, it seems, is doomed to repeat this cycle until we’ve destroyed the earth and ourselves.
We are sooooo going extinct. I honestly give humans 2 generations left.
The good news is last time this happened they warned this time would result in next time being fought with sticks and stones
What? You think nazi-ass USA is going to nuke them? This time they’ll be supporting them…
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”- Albert Einstein
I was referencing this quote, not the US nuking anyone.
but who says that the ukranians and the germans, polish, italians, romanians wont launch ANOTHHER invasion of Russia and the other Slavic cointries? That can definitely eventually happen. Russia has many nukes right?
All those former stated countries are taking a turn towards the right… And by right I mean Russophobic right, not necessarily ‘anti-Dark-Skinmed-Peoples’ right©®™
I’m not talking about nuking any countries, i’m talking about the AI race destroying the world, because in my opinion that’s likely the great filter that will kill off humanity
…you see AI as a bigger threat to humanity than … nuclear weapons?!..
Ahhh that makes a lot more sense!
Did Elon touch the voting system?
Doubtful. The German voting system is quite solid with multiple people checking ballot counting at each step. Citizens can also witness the counting of they want to
The state in question is just one of a couple that always voted quite rightwing. It’s nothing new
Also, the system is way too old for Elon to have any interest in touching it
The interesting thing is that he doesnt even have to touch the voting system itself, all of social media is controlled by techno fascists so (basically) all they have to do is boost their own messaging while downplaying opposing messages. Control the voters control the vote.
Not to mention drop some pocket change in the right places.
I’m interested in your statement about this state being one of a couple that always vote right wing. “Nothing new” is how you ended that bit. The way it comes across in the media and commentary is that this is quite a significant thing, so I’m wondering if this is actually worrying or media hype? Thoughts? I’ve also heard that AfD is polling well across Germany in general, so is this taken into account in the media and your statement?
Because we are internet strangers, I just want you to know I’m actually interested in what you said and your opinion, with no intent of attacking you.
They need to investigate this yesterday. I believe Musk meddles big time
No way humanity is actually that bad
Pretty much impossible to do. The voting system in Germany is fairly analog. It’s all done on paper.
The only electronic part, that could be hacked, is when the do quick reports of the results that are being used for reporting on the day of the election. But discrepancies would come to light very soon.So I highly doubt direct interference with the election. But I’m sure he has a big influence on the propaganda that’s going on, and that is problematic enough.
I don’t know about the people being bad. They are certainly misled, and I would have liked to bring that up as a defense. But it also says something about them, if they let themselves be misled by obvious arseholes.
Americans when a far right party gets a high non-majority result in a single bundesamt in former East Germany, primarily taking votes from the other right wing party:
😏😏😏😏😏😏😏 Guess we’re in the same boat now, huh? 😏😏😏😏😏😏😏
So, there was this group of right wing idiots called “The Tea Party.” Might want to look into how that started and what it lead to.
your comment comes across like you’re implying that it’s actually fine and everyone is overreacting and should calm down. in other words, exactly what every center-right and right-wing idiot in the US did before trump.
I’ll be sitting back and watching intently for them to “show us how it’s done”.
It is genuinely scary, but most don’t understand how the system works. This is like the Republicans winning Texas except part of the Republican party refuses to work with the other part because they are nazis. So the sane half work with the democrats to keep the Nazis from having influence.
The Nazis are taking over everywhere because THEY ARE ALL FUNDED BY THE SAME PEOPLE.
WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WE COULD REMOVE THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL OF THIS WHENEVER WE WANT
The history of humanity is slow walking into disaster, consistently and unceasingly.
Remember that Simpsons episode where homer kept walking into the rake over and over and over? Ya thats us
And it’s not just a single episode. It became a running gag.
People don’t like immigration, and the only parties that promise to do anything against it are the extreme right wing ones. That’s how they get their votes.
Until other parties wake up and realise that they should tackle the immigration problem, the fascist will always have that trick to get votes.
Saschen-Anhalt has barely any immigrants and a population older than Jesus. The few immigrants there are, are trying to keep the old fucks alive. What are other parties supposed to do about that?
We do not have an “immigration problem”, and copying the far-right does nothing, as shown in multiple studies: https://cloud.karakeep.app/public/lists/gf3gklfyh1tw7ngqb0n2aonj
Please describe to me how immigration is a problem that needs to be dealt with rather than allowing for visa free movement between borders. And how immigration is anything but a means to control the average person and prevent them from seeking a better life elsewhere?
Sure, I’ll try!
There is nothing inherently wrong about borders. You’re probably very happy your house has a border. Wolf packs have borders. Borders are useful.
As I see it, borders are physical manifestations of a social construct. You know, like money, flags, medals, wedding gowns, etc etc. And just like all of these, borders have a social purpose for the tribe within. In their case it’s to distinguish between “us” and “them”. Why make that distinction? Because tribes must pool their resources to thrive. That includes material things like food and shelter, but also immaterial resources like labor, safety, clean water, you name it.
But sharing has two hard requirements: reciprocity and trust. Without either, you cannot pool your resources without risk of getting taken advantage of. Why invest in a common good that might not be there for you when YOU need it? That’s why reciprocity and trust are so fundamental to human relations! We built an entire society about signals of trust, about showing other people you are “us” and not “them”.
Long story short, tribes (“us”) guard their pooled resources from outsiders (“them”). That’s why Germans can’t collect their pension from Mongolian state funds. Nationalities, then, are a shorthand for calculating whether a person has contributed to a tribe’s resources and is therefore an “us”.
There’s a ton of valid(!) arguments to be made about which kinds of borders are fair, or which immigrants deserve our pooled resources. But that’s not my point here, I’m here to argue that visa are useful and serve a purpose (which is not bullying outsiders, but protecting INsiders)
Hmmmm sounds like exclusionary tribal bullshit ideas to me. Specifically based off of ones locating from the global north where resources are hoarded rather than pooled.
In Germany we can see that the people who don’t like immigrants are the ones that almost have no immigration.
So you see there is sth. that doesn’t make sense.
Also the far right blame alien people for the problems and claim dealing with immigrants solves that. However we know what the actual issue is. Rich companies and rich people.
But the common people only see shit is bad, probably immigrants. Because BILD newspaper said so.
But the CDU is also promising to tackle immigration, and has actually delivered on some of it during their government. They were halved this election.
The fascist can always jump to the next topic. Immigration isn’t even the original boogeyman, there’s always another “other”. You can’t beat them at their own game, they’ll always promise a more radical, more “effective” solution, meaning you’ll never “do enough”. The only thing you’ll do is legitimize their viewpoint.
You need to address why people are looking for a boogeyman. And that’s because many of them appear to be worse off than they were a decade ago. They’re angry at traditional parties because they messed up economically and standard of living is going down. Address that, and you take away the oxygen that fuels the fire. Immigration didn’t cause the standard of living to go down, promising you’ll end it legitimizes those who claim it does.
the fact one side was pushing for the criminalization of the other probably didn’t help
musk and putin helping with the messaging that is.
I wonder how much this has to do with musk owning twitter, larry ellison owning tiktok, and zuckerberg owning rest
Alright European lemmings… You’ve been lecturing us American lemmings for several years about what you’d do if fascism started creeping into power in your country. Now’s your chance, show us how it’s really done.
Just let it fester into a horrible world war and the problem will solve itself
Ok, watch and learn. By the time it’s done it may be too late for you tho.
feddit.it? Like Italy? Like “Benito Mussolini’s bloodline is still in politics?” Like “already has a right-populist government”? Seems like you’re not trending the right direction there.
OK, we’re watching…
I have no doubt they will, actually.
I mean, this party didn’t just spring out of nowhere. They’ve been building power for years now.
So, maybe you should doubt a little bit.
We won’t, unless Germany somehow gets invaded by France. Only they know how to revolt, and we can’t/won’t communicate with them…
The same France in which the far right candidate leads the polls for 2027’s presidential elections?
No, that one can go fuck itself
I have serious doubt, but I’d prefer to be shown up as a monumentally incorrect fool. Defeating fascism is a lot more important than petty schadenfreude.
