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Donald Trump’s bruising return to the White House has sent many longtime foreign allies scrambling to get their distance, and according to a new piece from The Atlantic, that distance will last long after Trump is gone.
Trump’s second term as president has been marked by notable and widespread disrespect toward nations once seen as close U.S. allies. Between his attempts to level massive tariffs against nearly every nation in the world and his frequent breaches of diplomatic norms, Trump has created a hostile global environment in which allies no longer feel safe trusting in the stability of the U.S.
In a new piece for The Atlantic on Tuesday, staff writer Vivian Salama argued that this new dynamic, in which the nations of the world are working to establish a safe distance from the U.S., is bound to become the new normal for years to come, even after Trump leaves office and is potentially replaced by a more traditional, dependable administration.
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Because it’s not trump.
The whole damned US framework facilitated this little shitheel. And its shown you are not to be trusted, and unfit to operate on an international stage
That’s the thing. I hear Americans saying to not blame them, this is all Trump.
Not so fast. The entire US government is failing from the middle out. Sure, Trump is an idiot manchild, but the entire US government is supporting him. The GOP fights dirty and don’t care about laws while the democrats completely stopped playing the game and sit on their hands. The citizens elected Trump twice, almost three times, and keep electing the other people around him supporting his insanity or unwilling to fight it.
The majority of US citizens wanted this to happen or allowed it to happen.
Generations of propaganda and lies, the dumbing down of the population combined with arrogance and hubris have accelerated the downfall of an empire whose only current goal is to extract all the wealth from the population.
The majority of US citizens wanted this to happen or allowed it to happen.
A big aspect that gets ignored.
This is the second time Americans allowed Trump into office. If they can’t be bothered to walk across the street to vote, they can’t claim Trump doesn’t represent all Americans.
The only permanent aspect of politics is that nothing is permanent. In the modern age it seems to mean 2-10 years
Delegating your security to any other country, like much of the world has done for decades with the US, is never a good idea. Europe did this after WW2 because so much of it was destroyed by war. Allowing the US to continue as their sugar daddy for so long is at least partially on them. Canada is feeling the sting of this too right now.
If a country can’t provide for most of its own needs in terms of goods, services and energy, it has no real sovereignty.
The only way we can even begin to fix this is if the entire Trump crime family & their enablers are indicted & incarcerated. The entire cabinet belongs in prison or in RFK Jr’s case, executed for innumerable counts of Depraved Heart Murder.
No. Trump is just a symptom .
We desperately need the US Empire to fall. They lead war all around the world for decades and most conflicts are born from them or our two precedent empires : Russian and English.
They simply have too much power and absolutely 0 ethic.
We desperately need the US Empire to fall.
I dunno, like I see where this is coming from, and partially even would agree, but the power vacuum would also be disastrous.
…and personally I’d just like to know what the hell to do about it in the grand scheme of things, so me and the rest of my peasant family and the rest of us aren’t stuck suffering and holding the entire bill on account of a handful of monsters bent on ruining the world.
A reminder to study how people pushed through the collapse of their homelands in the past…
Yeah, I feel you.
If there is ONE thing I can give to Trump, it’s that he’s preparing the world for it.
He’s destroying NATO as it exists, ruining the petrol dollar, destroying the US soft power world-wide. I don’t think anyone did more for EV and solar than him the last year…
But yeah, it will be a mess. From my pov, the natural filler would be China. It as pros, it has cons. EU could gain a lot too but I really fear they won’t have the wisdom to move away enough to net get caught by the blast.
We’ll see I guess ^^
Be careful what you wish for.
As an American, won’t the US falling affect us too?
At least from my perspective there is a big party that said they are on board with it so there need to happen a lot of things but going back to have America so deeply integrated should never be done.
After WW2 the us wanted Germany to not be armed and now they complain. America wanted eu not be armed. Now to say we are abusing usa? NA there is a lot of stuff you guys need to change but I’m the meantime we need to get rid of our dependence and cut some ties.
No argument here. I think the EU was stupid for allowing any of this to continue this long. Those ties should have been cut in 2016.
At the same time, you’re very much about to have your own set of fash between Ruzzia, the AfD, Meloni & LePen. Good luck.
Are there people who still don’t know this or are just realizing this?
It happens more slowly than you might think.
Here in Australia the US has been our major ally since WWII and is generally seen as the enforcer holding off Chinese expansion in our region.
When the tariffs were announced ours were minimal and largely to our benefit anyway.
The general feeling was, the Americans are having a bad day, but we can weather that to maintain our long term relationship.
We have an agreement with the UK and US to build nuclear submarines, which would be helpful in maintaining control in south east Asia. This is a long term strategy with many billions involved, likely to stimulate entire regions in Australia. However, the arrangement is looking very unappealing presently and no one actually believes the US will deliver on their end.
I think the summary is, everyone knows that Trump is not a reliable partner but he will be dead soon, and these relationships run pretty deep.
Trump is not a reliable partner but he will be dead soon
But you can’t rely on the US being a reliable partner at all then. In 4 years the citizens could just vote in someone just as unreliable as Trump who will throw away previous agreements on a whim. They’ve already done it twice, and it’s clear the US has no mechanism in place to make sure it holds to previous agreements.
People voted for Brexit, people voted for AFD, people voted for LePen, people voted for Meloni. Y’all tend to forget that this isn’t only an American problem.
How am I being dense?
Well, for one, you replied to yourself and not to the person who replied to you.
Oh, no. A mistake!
Answer the fucking question, jackass.
You can’t be this dense though
Yes, the people that dont follow the news, poltics at all, and the republicans that dont follow anything after they voted.
Unfortunately, yes there are.
I talked to an idiot the other day who said Carney only rejected a trade deal with the USA to “stay in power”… they apparently are not aware Carney already has a majority, is very popular ATM and does not have to face an election for some 3 years.
Some people are just too dumb to realize when they are wrong and will die on
thats definition of a low information voter. conservatives are almost always low info, they voted for R, but never follow up the policies, just that did vote. thats how they see it as a team sport.
I do have to wonder about their logic. If rejecting a trump deal kept him in power, one would conclude that a majority of Canadians agree that we should not make that deal, or a majority of his base.
So even in their own dumbass world their explanation still makes no sense
Carney rejected a Trump deal because Canada is a democracy. This is terrible!
well let me explain, you start assuming they have any logic… you just went down the rabbit hole from there
Trump is the symptom not the cause.
If anything Trump is doing the world a favour by dropping the pretence that the US is a good global citizen that just happens to have hundreds of military bases worldwide, an infinite money hack and nukes.
The US is a brutal imperialist power that genocides or destroys anyone who gets in its way. People with sense have known this since before Vietnam but the narrative pushers are finally high and dry.
He’s both
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Ironically, it was probably the corporate bootlicking and Robert’s clearly nonsense claim that the President is above the law that sealed the deal. An election abberation is one thing, the rest of the power establishment sucking his cock while declaring that the system will continue to allow and encourage the chaos is not something worth dealing with.
Trump is only the most obvious symptom of a corrupt system.
In the end, the world will thank Trump for freeing them from American shackles. I hope that this is the beginning of the end of US dominance.
That, to me, is the truly ironic part.
It’s not that anyone is going to thank him. He’s an asshole and let him die in ignominy. But if we can survive his fucking around, there is a better world on the other side of it where one country doesn’t get to lord over anyone else.
When he got elected I thought “maybe he’s the dose of poison that’ll force them to throw up the whole damn mess”.
We should not thanks him for unintentional outcome of his stupidity
Trump is going down in history as the environmental President forcing the world to buy EVs or starve.
forcing the world to buy EVs or starve.
Or possibly “and starve.”
Not entirely sure the next in line is best, but at least China is trying to work towards better power, transit and socials. world powers need to stand now, or this is our future.
Better… Socials…?
Totally just a coincidence how much this idiocy benefits Russia.
Somebody please help? If we had a better president none of this would be happening…someone please call the referee, this president sucks
Who knew that building a pattern of attacking your allies could lead to your allies not trusting you any more?
We should lose friends over this (not that that is going to sink into the MAGAt morons’ thick skulls), but I hope we can go back to being civil once the cancer is removed.
It’s not going to be removed. I think the US is turning into a cyberpunk corpo state, more quickly than I could have imagined; Trump is just the unwitting setup.
The average American citizen wont understand or care about this, and yet I do imagine there are pretty negative long term implications for them, along with all the other garbage being piled onto them.
I brought up that the cost of diesel has gone up massively (particularly at the start of the Iran conflict) and has started to rapidly balloon again to a co-worker at my 2nd job said he did not care about the price of diesel because he doesn’t use diesel…
I carefully explained to him that everything is shipped over land is using diesel and this will cause the price of everything to go up and he pushed back again saying “Well everything is going up in price anyway.” Its like dude WTF do you even do with people like this? I did not even touch on the expense of using heavy construction and farming machinery also increasing costs of everything…
He described himself once as someone who agrees with democrats on social issues but thinks republicans are better on the economy and I internally was like DUUUUDE THIS IS THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN ECONOMY RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING TROGLODYTE AAAHAHHAHAHA WE FUCKING DESERVVVVE THIIIIIIIISSSS.
The only “social issue” he cares about is his tax burden.
Ask him how will he pay for the stuff becoming more expensive.
Well, if your coworker is that braindead, then he probably won’t notice if you start propagandizing to him. Everytime something bad happens, audibly blame Trump and the Republican Party for it. A couple of weeks of that oughta change his opinion of things.
I always knew conservatives (regressives) would destroy America. I just didn’t think it would be so fast and so aggressively stupid.
