From: @liliputing_@liliputing.com
Mwah, pretty competitive pricing. Hope this catches on.
That’s probably the pricing before including anything (cpu, ram, ssd, ports.)
Cpu is included, but the others yes. Still a good price tho.
Thanks Trump!
We don’t get nice things anymore, only “American things”.
Yeah, I’m fucking over this clown. Every tech hobby I have is not American made, nor will it ever be, because some materials need to be imported even if they want it to be American made.
We’re on a one track train to the dark ages…
Keep in mind that the 569,-€ is for the DIY edition and does not include RAM, SSD (2230 form factor) or expansion cards. So assuming you’re starting with nothing the cheapest price would be about this:
- Framework Laptop 12 569,-€
- 8 GB DDR5-5600 22,-€
- 256 GB M.2 2230 SSD 34,-€
- 4 expansion cards, ex. 2 USB-C, 2 USB-A 40,-€ (other cards are more expensive)
So about 665,-€ at current pricing from Germany, not including individual shipping costs of the RAM and SSD. If you require/want Windows then that would need to be factored in as well.
Obviously quite a bit cheaper compared to the 13, but I doubt this will impact the education market that this is supposed to target (unless edu gets steep discounts).
The point of the DIY edition is that you could just reuse some old RAM or SSDs. Maybe another $50 for a good set. Then they sell refurbished expansion cards (that are currently out of stock) for $34.
The point of the DIY edition is that you could just reuse some old RAM or SSDs.
In theory, yes. I don’t think it is very likely that people have DDR5 SO-DIMM modules lying around, let alone 2230 SSDs. I don’t understand why they weren’t able to go for the way more common 2280 form factor for the SSD at least.
Some people have dead laptops with fried motherboards or dead batteries, or cracked screens, that are absolutely unrepairable but have memory and alive ssds. I know I do.
Sure, I’m not saying this never happens, but I’d argue this is the exception not the rule. Especially when it comes to DDR5 which is still quite new, so there should not be that many laptops with dead batteries with such memory around yet. It would be a different story with DDR4, not that I would suggest that they use DDR4. And the SSD form factor they used isn’t very common, so it is probably even less likely that people have such SSDs lying around. I still appreciate that they allow me to buy the machine without memory/storage.
Exactly. I have DDR4 laying around, but DDR5 is new enough that I don’t. The laptop that I have is 7-8 years old and is about ready to be replaced, but neither the drive nor RAM would work, so I’ll have to buy that new.
I can forgive the ram decision, they’re producing laptops that can be upgraded in the future to keep them from becoming waste, not upgraded using old equipment now.
I actually do have 2230 ssds laying around. I bought a few used computers on eBay to use as servers that had 128gb versions of these little shits in them that I had assumed were 2.5" not m.2. Wouldn’t use them in a new laptop for me, but it’s plenty enough for a school laptop or device that isn’t storing data on that particular drive.
I’m not going to rag on them for going with this form factor, because they are very conscious about their designs, but it isn’t like it’s hard to accommodate a range of m.2 sizes. You just need a little hole you can screw the mounting…screw into. Like, maybe you can’t fit a 2280 in there, but from what I’ve seen 2242 is more common than 2230.
Framework’s whole model is to accommodate for exceptions.
You can buy them…?
You also need to include a 60w power adapter.
You can BYO…
Of course. But the comment above says if you start from nothing.
Yes, but most people are more likely to have a USB-C power adapter lying around than an SSD or RAM.
Many people have 60 and 100w usbc adapters already. I know I do.
This would make one hell of an impact at my school in Australia, our school sells shitty cheap laptops for $1200 AUD (around €723), but the licenses for software are provided by the government and the laptops tend to cost less than half the school sells them for, so the framework laptop 12 would definitely be preferable, including with the add-ons you mentioned.
A little sidenote, I have no clue how it’s legal for the school to price gouge us like that for literally the cheapest ThinkPads or other laptops possible.
Is it a form of funding for the school? Or are they getting ripped off too?
At the campus I’m currently at, it’s funded pretty well, we have good quality buildings, we have doctors that come in every couple days and have “chillout tuesday” where we have activities and free food in the seminar room. The other two campuses are definitely falling behind in those regards.
Either they may not be getting enough from the government and are supplementing it, or they are getting ripped off by Lenovo, although it seems to be due funding the school, since there are also the out for uniform days, where you have to pay $10 unless you don’t want to participate for the rest of the year.
More powerful i5 with 32GM RAM and a bunch of expansion cards amounted to about 1200€. A bit more than similarly specked 15-17 laptops, but preliminary I couldn’t find anything with this speks in this formfactor, so I couldn’t compare properly.
Meh, no Ryzen option… :-/
Yeah, gotta jump to the 13 (waiting for mine with a ryzen 7 350 now).
FWIW, they had very specific goals with the 12 and outlined the reasoning in a video.
Huh, only has one memory slot. Single channel is certainly a choice and is unfortunately enough to make me write this off…
Maybe there’s a USB C to memory module?
a USB4 CXL module would be exceptionally cursed and I am here for it
I dont need a laptop right now but damn this thing is sexy. Its been a long time since hardware gave me that “do want” itch even though i dont need it. Ryzen would have been great but even with an Intel SOC this thing is a compelling package.
These look great… But no backlit keyboard option :(
Good, at least no keayboard with the letters getting easily worn off
You need to learn to touch type.
I just think they’re neat
OK dad
In the dark, and close your eyes
But isn’t this an American company?
The laptops are manufactured in Taiwan. There’s so much unpredictability in the tariffs so they’re delaying until it settles down. Tariffs are going to impact US companies and US residents.
Personally I‘d give these guys a pass tbh.
O yes I don’t mean anything by it, just that it makes it extra weird you can pre-order anywhere but their home country
That’s what happens when you make it expensive to import anything and don’t have any domestic manufacturing for computer components.
Yes, but the products are manufactured and assembled in Taiwan, using a dedicated team for framework, and shipped to local warehouses across the world to sell and ship locally. They can easily decide to make, ship and sell the product across the globe but in the us. The ceo explained that they forsaw things like this when they started in 2019/2020 and therefore decided, back then, that they would take on this model to not fuck themselves incase trump would go haywire back then.
That has now saved their arses tbh
Yes. This is the technology community, not the buy European one.
Framework is pushing laptops in the right direction.
I didn’t mean it as a boycott us comment, I am surprised you can pre-order it anywhere but in their own country is all. Also understand why, don’t need an explanation.
Yes it is?
I like the concept, but I hate that the four USB modules aren’t included in price. It’s ridiculous to be almost forced to pay €40 for having 2x glorified 3 cm cord extensions on each side
Why consider these guys when Tuxedo and Slimbook exist??
Are either of those brands designed with the same level of user serviceability in mind?
The main drive for framework is how easy they are to repair or mod along with their varying degrees of modularity (such as their swappable ports).
I just noticed this is the technology community and not the BuyEuropean community. So my comment doesn’t make sense.
On the subject of those two anyway, I think Slimbook is just a Clevo reseller?
Not sure about Tuxedo
Both are.
However, and I’m not so familiar with Slimbook, but at least Tuxedo makes changes to the hardware they get from Clevo (or TongFeng?), to build what is ultimately a more premium product.
They also ship their own Linux distro that is optimised for the hardware they choose to put on their laptops and has a control panel that allows you to fine tune performance, battery, and so on.
You can check reviews of Tuxedo laptops. People are generally happy with what they get. I’m buying one before October this year before windows 10 drops all security patches. I’m already running linux out of a pendrive and happy with it.
