Let me be the First to speak it out: Trump has ended the American Empire. He has ended Europe’s blind acceptance of American superpower.

America will never again be what it was. That so called beacon of hope that Public relations Geniuses invented and never really existed.

So, yes thank you Mr. Trump for helping us to wake up and thank you for ending the American empire.

  • coyootje@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    25
    ·
    4 months ago

    While I partly agree with you, I wouldn’t thank that idiot for it. There’s a good chance that what he’s doing (even if it doesn’t fully impact Europe) will eventually drag us into it as well. If he keeps going after China he will at some point set Europe an ultimatum too: stay friends with us and stop everything you’re doing with China or be our enemy. If we choose the latter it might eventually even lead to some form of war…

    Let’s hope that doesn’t happen (and most of the damage is contained within the US itself, for better or worse).

    • TacticalCheddar@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      or be our enemy

      That would be a geopolitical disaster for the US. No matter how much he yaps his mouth around, Trump doesn’t want the EU as an adversary. If that were to happen the US would have 2 flanks to defend against instead of one. And the EU is not Russia. Collectively the EU has the second biggest military budget and the third biggest economy in the world.

      Trump is trying to get us to increase centralization at the EU level which is great as far as I’m concerned. But that chucklenut is doing it in a way that will also massively sour relations in the long term. As insane as it sounds, if Trump’s successor is going to be like him, China will probably be a more reliable partner than the US. The only caveat is that Taiwan is going to be extremely vulnerable in such a situation.

      I’m hoping the US will come to its senses at the next election and relations will normalize. The Americans are pricks, but they are still more ideologically aligned with us than the Chinese.

      • kokolowlander@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        Trump and his supporters do not care even if it hurts them. It is all about hurting people they do not like.

  • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    17
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    The damage done by US big tech isn’t going to go away anyway soon, and we have barely done anything to combat that. Former blackrock employee Friedrich Merz, coming chancellor of Germany, is definitely not going to be the one to spearhead this. Europe is getting more and more rightwing and that doesn’t exactly point to getting more independent from Trump’s regime.

  • macniel@feddit.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    12
    ·
    4 months ago

    You even say thanks :o

    But yeah we Europeans can only come out if this on top, something that is cabinet of idiots truly loathe.

    • RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      4 months ago

      Only if y’all can finally unite.

      The real winners here are China and Russia.

      I still expect the EU to remain too fractious to have any real foreign relations power. Until you speak with one voice you will remain weak on the global stage.

  • Mbingu@lemm.eeOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    4 months ago

    And thank you to all your supporters, who voted for you despite them paying the highest price for it.

    • loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      14
      ·
      4 months ago

      I’d argue those paying the highest price might be the legal immigrants in the US getting deported, Palestinians possibly having the existential threat against them worsened as Trump approveds of Netanyahu’s genocide without reserves, the Ukrainians having lost the support of the US… With Orban and Meloni at the head of their respective countries and the far-right emboldened everywhere, I think it’s a bit early to feel grateful. Empathy for the victims and wariness that we might be facing the same seem like more appropriate sentiments.

      • Zahille7@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        4 months ago

        Yeah I wouldn’t be “celebrating” right now when at least half of Europe is falling right into the same type of government: fascist ones.

        I am an American. I fucking hate this world we live in now. Everyone is still playing partisan games when the world is actively falling apart around us, and we continue to stick our heads in the sand and say “I know you are but what am I?”

  • ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    4 months ago

    Is that a surprise, it isn’t really new? We started talking about it during the first time he was president. But “nothing” was done really and then he lost the reelection. So we could restart this a bit faster now seeing as we prepared before.

    The problem is we went back on that just because Biden got elected. How is it going to be after the next election? Right back to unlimited trust just because it is not Trump? I hope not.

  • Mbingu@lemm.eeOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    4 months ago

    I hope the US will be able to look in the ugly face in the mirror and turn the page to real protection of human rights and individual freedoms.

    Yes, I mean constitutional changes

  • Crackhappy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    4 months ago

    The American imperialism is finally done. The history books will definitely feature this as the death knell for the United States of America. I say this as a native of Murica.

    • floofloof@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      4 months ago

      We in Canada will breathe out when the USA stops threatening to attack, and when our own far right has ceased to be an electoral threat.

    • realitista@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      As much as I hate the US hegemony, the only path to world peace in the past has been when there is one or maybe 2 dominant powers. The more multipolar the world becomes, the more war breaks out all over the place.

      And if we must have a hegemon and our choices are the US, Russia, or China, I will take the US. Though I would take the EU over all of them if they could muster the unity to pull it off.

      • Mbingu@lemm.eeOP
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        The time of simplicity is over. That’s a challenge but it’s just more feasible for a 21 century setup. Old concepts are being challenged, that’s messy but worthwhile. About time mankind came of age.

        • realitista@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          The new thing will just be fascists making the run up to another world war. The old is new again.

  • Kyouki@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    4 months ago

    Been hoping or wishing for this for a long time to get off this wild ride of corruption from over there. Not going to thank him, but hope EU picks up the slack and gets things moving. Become a even greater superpower.

  • Mbingu@lemm.eeOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    4 months ago

    He wants to make America great again. Greatness is a contested concept at this point