Wow, I don’t know how I didn’t notice this /sarcasm
OH MY GOD THERE ARE BEARS SHITTING IN THE WOODS!
Did we not already know this? Really?
So it’s GUIMP? I thought it was “GNU Image Manipulation Program.”
“It’s pronounced JIMP” -rms probably
Today, German public broadcasting morning show was showing a supposed video of the one recently shot dead, supposedly kicking ICE cars and cursing at them and then being wrestled to the ground, and supposedly escaping afterwards. The movement looked strange to me, which made me suspect AI.
Can anyone confirm whether such a video is in circulation and the validity of it?
I most certainly wouldn’t be surprised if it were AI generated.
I think that video was confirmed
I had written to them, and they pointed to a CNN source, which mentioned another video from a different angle, and the family confirmed it was them in the video. So yeah, seems like it was valid.
I didn’t actually see it myself, but I heard a lot of people thought it looked AI at first and that it was genuine (alternate angles and stuff like you said). It’s good to check up on it (sounds like you actually put the effort in) so we can try to keep our facts straight, as hard as that is these days.
Welcome to the 20th Century.
Aren’t we in the 21st Century?
20th ended in the year 2001
And we were using propaganda back in the 40’s.
Yeah, but it’s the 21st century now
I’m getting a lot of miles out of Orwell these days.
This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs – to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary.
- 1984
Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date
The record was corrected?
Yes, it was corrected to what the party wanted it to have been. It really is a good book, you should give it at least a once over.
You should actually read the book, or at least that part of the chapter.
Stop what you’re doing and read 1984 now.
“It’s just a meme,” has the same energy as a confronted schoolyard bully, and apparently that’s just accepted etiquette now :/
Ive seen the same sentiment on Lemmy. Manipulative/misleading articles or even straight up misinformation is posted, and when I bring it up, OP’s response is “I don’t care.” As long as it’s the right ideology, it’s alright; and mods didn’t disagree.
…We’re so screwed, aren’t we? And by “we” I mean the internet. It’s nice to think of the Fediverse an oasis from all this, but it engineered in the same structural issues commercial social media has, I think.
The horrible truth is many of thepeople who have the right opinion got there in the same stupid flawed ways as people who have the wrong opinion, and are deep down no better, but just accidentally appear to be so. These people just want what they want, they don’t care if it makes sense, they don’t care about validating their beliefs against reality or having logical arguments for their beliefs. They don’t want to be know truth, they want what they already believe to be truth.
The only good people are people who are brave enough to actively test their beliefs and earnestly question their own ideology (and accept that they even have one).
Almost no one does this. People often even say they “don’t have an ideology”. Its convenient, if you have no belief system there is nothing to question.
Yeah I agree. I think the only refinement I’d add to this statement is that such people aren’t even necessarily located in “good” territory. They have a velocity in the direction of goodness, but their position may still be in bad territory. And likewise there are people who are in good territory but have a velocity in the direction of bad territory. What a complicated world…
I mean, I’ve interacted with someone with active anti-semitic beliefs in a dedicated debate space who eventually changed his views to “Well, its not the Jews fault that they got into finance. They just kind of got funneled into that.” So absolutely people with shitty views can evolve in the right direction. I respect that a million times more than someone who is morally lucky and never budges.
And example of the opposite would be someone who adopts progressive stances of their time and never evolved from there or have selective self serving progressive blinders. “LGB w/o the T”, rainbow capitalists, Red-brown alliance types, etc.
Yeah, I respect them more for sure. It gets tricky if I’m like, appointing someone for a one year period or something though, then I have to consider both the position and velocity.
„It‘s just a meme“ was proven false when Americans voted Trump for the first time „as a meme“. Yes, I remember many of them claiming they did that ironically the first time. Of course that was a lie and they stopped pretending to be just useful idiots the second time around. They‘re simply nasty people.
You should specify which government
“yes”
I don’t know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I mean, obviously it’s a bad thing in the short term. I’m sure the current administration will continue to lie in more egregious ways. For example, if there were no clear bystander videos, would the DHS be releasing doctored bodycam footage to show Alex Pretti pulling his gun and trying to shoot ICE officers? Does that sound far-fetched? It’s technically feasible. It might seem too big and blatant a lie, but that lie has already been told in words from the DHS and Trump administration. Why not embellish it further?
And of course it’s enormously dangerous because no matter how blatant the lies are, there are many people who will accept them at face value, because they are too uneducated, or too locked into the “us and them” mentality to ever doubt the story that “our team” is selling.
So how could it be a good thing? Well, if the USA manages to rid itself of this cancer, the Trump administration will serve as irrefutable proof that government institutions cannot be considered intrinsically trustworthy, or relied on to act in good faith. There needs to be checks and balances like never before. That was always true, but knowing it and being able to act on it are two different things. The Trump administration’s eagerness to lie, cheat and cause suffering, even in the most clumsy and blatant ways, shines a clear light on dangers that were already there. It is an exemplary model of the abuse of power, and I hope that one day we will be in a position to take lessons from it. Maybe I’m being overoptimistic. It seems like the lessons learned from Nazi Germany were mostly the “how to do this” kind. But there is a chance to make things better here, not just better than they are now but better than they were before.
I have absolutely no doubt that if there were no external videos we would all be seeing pictures and videos of Alex Pretti brandishing, and most probably shooting a gun. No doubt whatsoever.
I wouldn’t put it past the orange child rapist and cronies to make up a complete back story about Alex being “involved with domestic terrorists” etc etc.
They will do absolutely anything to stay in power.
The real question is:
If they did AI up some pics and videos then would anyone with clout pull them up on it?
Again, I doubt it.So how could it be a good thing? Well, if the USA manages to rid itself of this cancer, the Trump administration will serve as irrefutable proof that government institutions cannot be considered intrinsically trustworthy, or relied on to act in good faith.
This only works if the population is wanting to sustain it. Previous horrible presidencies has shown us that they will sweep it all under the rug and move on to the next bad thing.
Previous presidencies have indeed done that, but that’s why this particular situation gives me a glimmer of hope. The rot is at the point where it all needs to be ripped out. All branches of government are loaded with MAGA appointees, the supreme court is politicized and disgraced, the whole Republican party is complicit in crimes against the nation. Business as usual just isn’t an option any more. I’m not saying that things are automatically going to get better, and unless there is a major cleanout of the Democratic party, it’s doubtful that they would. Just saying that there is a chance now that didn’t exist before.
I agree. When we take it back, we can’t just go on like business as usual. We have to crush MAGA, and purge it from our government and society, before we can move on and fix the systemic problems that have been neglected for far too long. Our Citizens, our Nation, the World, and History require that before we can redeem ourselves.
We can do that by declaring MAGA to be the the National Security Threat that they unarguably are. They have committed sedition, treason, had an Insurrection, stole hundreds of classified documents, permanently damaged our relationship with our allies, strengthened our enemies, damaged our economy on the international stage, engaged in mind-boggling corruption, sent death Squads into the streets to kill American citizens, etc. Whether their destructive intentions have been deliberate, or just as the result of their virtuosic incompetence isnt relevant, they are still an existential threat to the future of this nation, and must be prohibited from existing.
In addition, active members, especially MAGA leadership and elected MAGAs, need to be designated Domestic Terrorists, and Insurrectionists, and prohibited from holding public office for life, under 14A/S3.
The second Trump administration needs to be found invalid, due to election fraud, and all legislation, executive orders, appointments, etc., should all be rolled back. That includes his pardons, and all those traitors should be sent back to prison. Those who attempt to evade the order, should get an additional 10 years on their sentences. Laws should be passed that presidential pardons cannot be used to cover, advance, or excuse criminal activity.
The Democratic Party can become the party of the right that they’ve always wanted to be, and a true progressive party can rise to represent the left.
Hardcore Right Wing Nut Jobs will have to recalibrate their politics and learn to fit in, or remain MAGA and be reviled by society like KKK and Neo-Nazis should be.
I agree with what you’re saying, but also I think that after a crisis like the current one, there is potential to seriously examine general questions of how we got here, what systemic problems have led to this, and what weaknesses in our systems have been exposed by this. It’s a unique opportunity to fix what is broken, because all serious people can find common ground in the understanding that things have gone to shit lately and that it does need fixing. It’s a rare chance for good faith discussion and significant change. Well-informed proponents of positive change might actually be heard and taken seriously.
The dangers of false propaganda using image manipulation is one important consideration but there are many, many others. You’d probably want to start with the failure of democracy in the USA and how the electoral system needs to be reformed.
They should have put the images side by side in the article instead of only linking to X (where they may even disappear).
via xcancel:
Before Editing After Editing 
The US government and everyone that stands behind it, they want to make those who fight against ICE look like dangerous creatures that roam the Earth and must be stopped. They want to look like they’re in total control, by making these fighters look desperate for their lives when they are arrested, by celebrating whenever one of them is killed. But most importantly, they want us to fight each other, so that we forget who is our true opponent on what is basically a war on our rights as human beings.
Looks like we’re going to end up a crossover of North Korea and Russia.
All because conservatives hate America and enough others don’t give enough of a fuck to stop conservatives from destroying America.
Man, are they gonna be pissed when people use this against them as well. Collectively we have more time to do stupid shit :)
Those seeking truth are misled into lies. Those seeking things that fit their agenda or views find lies.
It’s a pretty asymmetric balance. No matter how much more time we have collectively, Trump and MAGA don’t care. If we lie about what they will catch on to, I imagine it would be things they’d radicalize and self-validate them more. Everything else, they’ll disregard. Like they have been doing for years with founded reporting etc.
They also have the centralized platform to propagate and promote.
The truth is more than enough, though.
Ohh, i fully agree. but the second someone does a convincing fake of him saying stuff that would make him big mad, he’ll go off and start denouncing AI :)
Haha that would be something, huh?
This is the main reason AI is being pushed into everything.
its useful for propaganda, because googles video AI is very hard to tell unless you have been exposed to ai videos for a while. and Right wingers are less likely to tell apart propaganda AI and real news.
And for the surveillance and defense contracts.
palinitir used to “look for targets, biased” to monitor or kill.
Main reason is money. They found a hype inducing thing and circle hyped it. Nvidia especially.
This is just a side-effect. A nasty one.
Disclaimer: “AI” is not completely useless.
