Is TikTok really harming children, or is this just our generation’s “television/internet/video games are bad for children”?
Several folks owe me apologies.
What is this meant to prove?
This looks more like Darwinism, chocking will cause you severe discomfort no matter how old you are.
That Tiktok encourages suicide stunts, as we read above, esp. if it goes against ToS‽
skill issue
They tried warning us about fb over 10 years ago and nothing happened
Then literally Web 2.0 is the problem. All social media stops existing if we go back from Web 2.0.
social media just needs http requests to exist, how does pre web 2.0 fix things honestly. gui apps have existed since windows 95 or even earlier, how is the tiktok app technically different than the space cadet paddle game with added network functionality?
Just go back to gopher.
Web 2.0 is the umbrella term for a bunch of things that enabled the social media we see today. Infinite scroll, notification toasts and asynchronous loading of new content to name a few.
If we had to reload a page every time we wanted new content we would see way less and move on more quickly.
To add to this, Web 1.0 was also known as the “read-only” Web. Webpages were managed by their owners and those owners decided what visitors saw. Those visitors also did not have the ability to add their own content to the pages. They might have had the ability to comment, or to make posts on BBS sites, but they couldn’t just submit anything. Then in 2004, it changed. We transitioned to Web 2.0. All the things you mention allowed visitors of webpages to actively submit content to those pages, and soon it became known as the “read-write” Web.
I wouldn’t say nothing happened. Young people migrated off of it and it’s now the lead gasoline of the social media world
Yeah but young people didn’t migrate off it because it was harmful
They migrated in part to instagram which Facebook bought and made even more harmful than Facebook itself
Yeah ig is the worst part of Facebook, just people curating what they want people to think their life looks like
This is in stark contrast to… Facebook???
facebook has a very different target audience
facebook is mostly about 60+ year olds holding their beer and saying sth like “beer, car, church is all we need” while instagram is predatory on 16-y.o girls telling them that they’re not pretty and worthy of love if they’re not significantly (scarily, in fact) underweight and wear lots of makeup to cover their true emotions/face.
That’s not how fb started
^ liberal “science” on social media.
At least Facebook has Facebook Marketplace.
nothing happened
Nah, the perpetrators continues to make endless money, etc. Lots of capitalist stuff has been happening.
back then it wasn’t about political independence from the US.
the EU has made a lot of noise in the last 2 weeks about getting off of US platforms. Here’s a few examples:
https://apnews.com/article/europe-digital-sovereignty-big-tech-9f5388b68a0648514cebc8d92f682060
https://ecfr.eu/publication/get-over-your-x-a-european-plan-to-escape-american-technology/
There’s many more. The movement is significant.
25 years ago. Every study on social media and mental health back then showed it was bad.
Interesting that as soon as China loses control of it, we get stories about how it’s so bad for you. News flash, it’s always been bad for you. It and all the others like it are one of the major reasons the world is the way it is today.
This didn’t change after china lost control of it, there’ve always been a bunch of stories about how it’s bad for you
We should promote long content and books instead of this short-shit
I’ve never installed tiktok. And I got rid of Instagram years before shorts. Additionally, while I enjoy long form YouTube videos from non-brainrot creators, I haven’t used the official app in years, so I avoid shorts there as well.
I’m not bragging, it’s just relevant to my next statement:
I too feel like my content consumption isn’t long enough. I think the instant gratification of moving to the next thing minutes after the first is bad for our brains.
In the last couple of months I have started reading again. Audiobooks mostly, and I know it’s not the same, but it engages my brain while driving for work.
Additionally, in the last few weeks, I’ve changed our TV habits. We usually watch 2 or 3 hours of TV in the evenings, which is probably too long by some metrics but I’m not ready to cut back yet, personally. What I have done, however, is stop binging.
Normally we pick two, maybe three at most, shows we want to watch. Then we burn through them, episode after episode. Churning through the seasons until they’re either gone or we’re caught up with it’s production.
Lately, I’ve done the opposite. We watch one episode of a show we like. Only one. We can watch one of another show if we want. But thus far we haven’t added more shows to the rotation, hard to keep track, might negate benefits, IDK.
When we’ve watched one episode of one or two shows. We either change gears and stop watching TV, or watch a movie.
By that time, the time for TV is more of less over.
Already I’m seeing benefits, small, but I’m happy. The next day, in my idle thoughts, I’ll find myself thinking about what happened in the show, and making connections and predictions that I otherwise wouldn’t have made. I enjoy this.
Plus we have a backlog of movies, we’re really bad about dedicating time to movies, even though we’d gladly waste that time watching several episodes in a row of a show 🤦♂️ So I’m glad to be getting into some good movies too.
we’re really bad about dedicating time to movies
I should start watching movies instead of TV-shows. I used to binge-watch and it feels unsatisfying
Audiobooks mostly, and I know it’s not the same
FWIW, studies have found that reading and speech activate different language regions of the brain… But oddly enough, audiobooks activate the reading parts of the brain, not just the speech parts. So it may be more similar than you’d initially think.
I finally got my AudioBookShelf instance up and running last year, around March. In those remaining 7 months, I “read” (listened to) over 50 books. I used to be a voracious reader as a child. But at some point I lost the spark, as finding time to read got harder and harder. Audiobooks have reignited that love for reading, in a way I can’t even put into words.
I find myself looking forward to my daily commute, because it means I can listen to another two or three chapters in the car. I’ve even started taking the longer route home (which is technically more fuel efficient, but adds like 10 minutes to my commute) because I don’t mind the extra time in the car. I find myself wanting to wash the dishes or fold the laundry, because I can have my earbuds in while I work.
I still doomscroll on YouTube shorts or Instagram reels occasionally, but that doesn’t mean I have to give up long form content like reading. They fill two entirely separate niches.
KY P.40, PARA 125 [REDACTED BUT RETRIEVABLE TEXT]
The ‘TikTank’ [internal TikTok group studying issues affecting TikTok] Report observed that “Tiktok is particularly popular with younger users who are particularly sensitive to reinforcement in the form of social reward and have minimal ability to self-regulate effectively.”
Well, they are targeting young users because it’s a biological fact that they can’t control themselves very well, meaning that their brains are not fully developed yet. This is like making profits from people with diabetes by selling expensive insulin; if they don’t get it, they die.
TikTok should answer legally by its actions, as well as other industries.
This is like making profits from people with diabetes by selling expensive insulin; if they don’t get it, they die.
More like taking advantage of a drunk person, but I agree. Still a shitty thing to do.
i mean yeah that helps the growth of idiocracy so is it a surprise?
Children are not the only ones being harmed here. This selective focus is only going to destroy the perception of other groups in terms of harm. Teenagers, young people, old people are also being harmed here - it is by design, and its everyone.
I bet this is related to Palantir facial recognition. Seems like identifying people and feeding it into some database is very important lately.
Always has been. You’ve been fingerprinted on the web for 10 years minimum. You know those secret aliases you had? Yeah they always knew they were you.
Stop. I’m not fucking playing this stupid game. I’m well aware of data brokers and selling our data. This is clearly different uploading pictures of yourself with id as a requirement to access websites.
If she had wheels she’d be a bike
I don’t know where that was ever mentioned, though.
That’s how they want to verify underage kids. You need to upload photo proof of your ID. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that agencies like ICE are also taking everyone’s pictures to upload to Palantir database.
Yup, nobody is immune or above being harmed by the algorithms.
Damn… money laundering though LIVE with its “gifts” I never thought about this. Everything else is wrong, at scale, but this surprised me.
If you watch a decent amount of twitch streaming it’s pretty obvious. I’m sure there are a ton of whales out there willing to dump >$1000 in one go on a streamer, but just watch something like a “subathon”, or a “hype train”. You’ll see more dollars than viewers they have move around in the span of like 30 minutes.
Or when streamers “bet” each other large amounts of gift subscriptions. That’s explicitly money, and abstracting it behind subs only masks how damn much a lot of these “bets” are really for.
I’m not going to claim that anywhere near all of it is straight laundering, but it’s pretty damn obvious just how fucking easy it would be to use it all for washing/tumbling of dirty funds.
The exact same thing happened with Instagram years ago.
and Facebook.
and MySpace.
and club penguin.
and…
But club penguin is kill. I remember. I was at home, eating dorito.
It’s starting to feel this whole capitalism for children isn’t healthy.
No wonder trump wanted to “Americanize” the company. More access to kids.
Not only tiktok. My parents are addicted to facebook stories and YouTube stories ;)
The same algorithm…
What is more there a lot of Russian propaganda and misinformation. But in Poland that’s common in social media
Same in Germany. 😒 Why can’t we cut off Russia from our networks or do anything to counter them.
I feel like we are sleepwalking into a disaster.
People need to understand that we are at war and treat Russia as the enemy.
It doesn’t matter that there is little hard proof Putin, his secret service or who ever is behind this. When EVERYTHING points to their direction then you have to act.
We make them bigger than they have to be by ‘playing fair’ when they stopped doing that decades ago or never even did themselves. This is entirely an advantage we can take from them.
Although I admit it’s much harder for an open, democratic society to agree to play ‘unfair’ like the enemy. But maybe there is another way? Don’t compromise your ideals but bring pro western propaganda to Russian minds.
They don’t respect our cyber sovereignty for lack of a better word. Why should we respect theirs.
Other countries do this as well and we need to build our defences or otherwise we will be the punching bag for others.
Sounding like the villain from Doctor strangelove
Yeah ofc. It’s run by genocidal fascists now. Libs wanted this.
It was run by genocidal fascists before. Just different ones.
Oh look, another company that knows it’s harming people and society, hides it and keeps on chasing profit and power.
Just remember tick tock is illegal for citizens to use in the country that invented it.
Yeah that’s because they have a state sanctioned version of TikTok that is controlled by an algorithm that police’s peoples speech and what they do and reports anything untoward to the proper authorities.
And now that Fox News has bought TikTok, the US has their own version of an algorithm that will police people’s speech and what they do, and most likely report anything untoward to the proper authorities.
Untoward being anything Israel doesn’t like.
As if the US didn’t have that before
other one is Meta right?
