I feel bad for the men that get indoctrinated by this guy. Just like a lot of people that get taken in by religion, these people are looking for some understanding or change that really can only come from within but the church is promising that religion is the only way.
These men don’t understand that there is no black and white/ universal version of “manliness”. We all have to decide for ourselves what “being a man” means.
I go with a simple definition: as someone who was born a man and continues to identify as a man, my feeling is that, anything I do is “manly” because I am a man. Doesn’t matter if it’s sewing, hunting, or eating soup (which the preacher in the article seems to think is not manly)
Being a man is eating soup and being able to say “fuck you, I like soup.”
And also being so confident, you don’t need another man to tell you you’re a big strong masculine man.
In college a woman remarked “I don’t know many men manly enough to wear a pink shirt.”
She hasn’t seen rugby players in the south of France.
We need feminism but for men (which is a thing that kinda already exists but we need more)
I don’t know if I like soup. The only soup I ever had was cambells, and it was awful. But then everybody tells me that cambells is the bottom of the barrel scum of the soup world.
So maybe I just don’t like cambells.
Hey, you’re like me. I HATED soup for decades. Can soup BS was disgusting. Soup on the side of my burger, gross.
Then I went to a real soup place. Like all they did was soup. Like professional level soup that’s $8 a cup or $12 a bowl.
My god - it was incredible. I now understand the Soup Nazi bit of why anybody would tolerate that behavior.
I went from clean shaven anti-souper to a god damn soup coke fiend.
Campbell’s classic chicken noodle hits different when you’re recovering from a bout of norovirus.
But generally yes, canned soup is pretty bad. There’s a ton of soups across most global cuisines, so many so that it’s borderline unbelievable that you’ve never tried a single one.
And soup is so easy to make from scratch, it seems feeble to open a can. But yeah, OK, if you’re sick, that’s another thing.
Pretty much how I see it. Being “a man” is being comfortable with who you are and not being scared about what others think. Putting a dress on and having “Tea” with your kids during playtime is just as manly as playing football. (And looks hilarious when you’re a 6 ft tall biker looking dude with a beard and hairy legs like me.)
Reminds me of a scene in the Lone Wolf and Cub comic I read when I was younger.
I don’t remember all the details, but there’s a panel where the two most dangerous samurai in all of feudal Japan are camping out before a fight, and some rando is astonished that these high bred, noble, elite warriors are cooking their own rice. One of the two rips into him about self-sufficiency and how there aren’t always servants to do your cooking for you, and what kind of warrior would just starve when he has no servants around?
And what does the article say? Eating soup isn’t manly? WTF? I’d like to hear his rationale for that one, but I’d probably lose a couple of IQ points reading it.
Toxic masculinity is full of shaming men for random things that are arbitrarily defined as not manly. Nothing is more dangerous for a Man than not conforming to masculine gender norms
When I was younger, I was thin, blond, green-eyed and freckled. In short, a bit of a twink. I didn’t present as macho, but grew up in a rough neighborhood and when I went to college, could take down any “manly” frat-boy bullies who thought they could push me around.
Now I’m much older, also much bigger, look like an extra in a biker movie, but am still the same guy I was back then, and I’m never on the side of 'roid-raging morons or idiot red-pillers. When they think I’m one of them and start chatting shit, I shut it down fast. Even when they’re hormone-stuffed human cauliflowers, they’re soft. I’m not going to turn my back on my gay, lesbian and trans friends just because they make you insecure. You’re the one with the wrong values and self-loathing. Work on that if you want to feel better about yourself.
This kind of insecurity is intentionally cultivated for the purpose of being exploited. If you can make a man afraid of whatever kind of food you name by declaring it unmanly you can control him.
It’s in the 12 commandments, along with though shaft not draw.liquid with a straw because it looketh like yon penis.
I think men are going to have to define foe themselves what secure masculinity looks like and how to achieve it.
Not worrying about it has been a solution that has worked well for me. Having a close friend who’s lesbian helped a lot too. She taught me a lot about being true to one’s self, and I love her for it. In the next life, if she’s into men or I’m a woman, we’ll get together. In this life, we don’t have sex, but there are plenty of other ways to show love for someone. She’s my sister from another mother.
Having women friends is generally a good vaccine against this nonsense
Pro tip: if you’re worried about your manliness you should go to therapy not to church.
Probably would also talk hours with amazingly attractive women while in therapy too
I mean, there are ethical boundaries, but already more than a guy trying to find strength outside likely has
Watching gay porn is twice as manly as watching straight porn.
I’m actually double straight because I was straight when I was supposedly a guy and now I’m a woman and still straight. checkmate, low T beta cucks bad to the bone guitar riff
sounds like a porno theme.
that’s like 3 layers of scam: church, manliness and absurd levels
Maybe four, if you include Russian state-controlled church.
This wispy-bearded Texan is in the vanguard of a movement urging conservatives to relocate to Russia. Last August, Putin introduced fast-track shared values visa for those fleeing Western liberalism.
Oh no … don’t do that. Us lefties would hate if all our manly men left us to deal with these Haitians eating our dogs alone. That would trigger and own us so much.
Well, they’ll probably have manlier problems to deal with since moving to Russia is leopard eating your face speedrun, with examples such as Russel Bentley or that one conservative Canadian family that sold their everything to move to Russia and got their money stolen by Russian banks.
Zero sympathy. Zero.
They’re probably just hunting for a construct. I’m sure if anyone actually does move to Russia they’ll just be given a gun and told to shoot ukrainians
They’ll have a gun pointed at them and told to clear minefields in the Donbass.
I really wish Russia would get it’s shit together. It’s a beautiful country that just goes on forever. I’ve met Russians that are just awesome. I would love to go on vacation there, or even retire there one day. Buy a little dacha on a river next to some sleepy little village. But the politics, fucking Putin, fucking oligarchs…
Has there ever been a period in history where Russians haven’t been oppressed by their government or the church?
1991-1993, 1906-1914
While the dissolution of the Soviet union was great for the world, you would not have wanted to be a citizen of Russia living in Russia at that point. I have family members who still live there and did then and it was utter chaos and also created local power vacuums that got filled with local mafia style gangs or local police who also just acted like local mafia style gangs.
But yeah, as far as the federal government not shitting in Russians, that would be a proper window of time
Well, now it’s not utter chaos because one gang won.
Imagine being deranged enough to actually take that deal, damn
15 dumbasses in East Bumblefuck: *do something*
BBC: A NEW GLOBAL TREND?!?!
I wish these shitbricks were actually fleeing to Russia at the levels this article is trying to portray.
It’s propaganda. We’re trying to make it look like every man’s reaction because they want to years argumentum ad popularum try and make it so
JFC if someone is this worried about their “manliness” or lack thereof, there’s really no hope for them.
Are you talking about me? How do you know? It’s pure rumors anyway! I’m extremely manly, OK? My car makes a lot of noise, so yeah. I’m heterosexual btw
If you have to be told how to be “manly” then you
probablydefinitely aren’t whatever the fuck you even think “manly” is.IF you can be shamed into going a Russian church to be manly, you are headed in the opposite direction from the path to manliness - you become a pussy who can only follow.
I didn’t come here for MORE toxic masculinity and gender shaming. Sort your shit out.
Why does random lemmy user care what you came here for?
doggedly backed the invasion of Ukraine, calling it a Holy War
Yeah I don’t really give a shit about their concept of the male gender. Apparently it involves fathering many children, so that Russia doesn’t run out of soldiers for the hundred years of glorious holy war it will take to defeat NATO and save the world. If you really want to reach the ultimate heights of manliness, try wearing eye shadow, practicing embroidery, and watching Hello Kitty while remaining confidently masculine.
By the way, Ciril’s deranged proclamations of “holy war” are ridiculous. Ukraine is also an Orthodox country.
Manliness has always been a scam.
Source: me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
Manliness is an ideal intentionally placed out of reach. An insecurity to be exploited
Only if your conception of masculinity is stupid. There are plenty of manly role models out there, we’ve just largely decided not to pay them much attention.
The manliest man I can think of: Norm Abram. His achievements:
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Made a living wearing flannel shirts
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Excellent beard
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Distinguished service award from the American Academy of Ophthalmology
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Built a sailboat
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said “Not roman orgy, roman ogee” on national television and got away with it
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If you step out of line with what is considered acceptable (and The most toxic insecure men incent things to be afraid of out of nowhere) you get harshly punished. Learned this the hard way growing up trans
Trans man or woman?
In my experience, transfemme although trans men have had interesting things to say on the topic
I guess you got off the hamster wheel at some point. I imagine trans men being faced with this stuff… That’s not to say there’s no toxic stuff on the femme side of things.
Oh yeah we got problems on the girl’s side bit at least women aren’t afraid soybeans is gonna take away their masculinity
Word
It’s stupid on so many levels.
First off, it implies there is some sort or series of social masculine trait(s) that are in some way desirable. It gets even more stupid when this turns into expectations, like “you’re a man, you should X”.
It’s kind of sad but not unsurprising that there’s an industry trying to capitalize on the resulting insecurities.
I think it was a positive aspect of the MGTOW idea to reject these expectations and do your own thing.
I think mgtow pretty quickly became an incel movement, at least from what I saw on reddit.
That doesn’t seem surprising. They both are misogyny plus not getting laid
Well like the other commenter said, it was ostensibly about guys just focusing on themselves and breaking out of the toxic trait of defining yourself by whoever is on your arm. That in itself is fine, and hell, even helpful. The issue is that it naturally attracted incels trying to be the aloof sigma that’s too cool to bother with silly women.
This is a good movie, if you don’t mind the blood and gore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Northman
It follows the life story of a manly man… not something many would truly pursue for themselves even if they had the opportunity.
I was always told to be manly was to show up for those that you love. To be reliable and useful on a day to day basis. All this nonsense about dominance and “independence” is just ridiculous.
me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
And it’s entangled with paranoid, exclusive nationalism of the worst sort. It’s no wonder the women there like foreign guys.
Always fun witnessing another round of people arguing over whose church is dumber.
It’s a hoot. These Ultra Incels think the Orthodox Church is going to hand them a submissive woman. Sounds like their new church is a sausage fest up in there.
probably thier excuse to turn each other on.
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It’s more like we’re going to get the buy girls because they won’t want to date these guys
I empathize with women who love women much more than with men who hate them. May you find fulfillment. No kind of (consensual) love is better than others.
So fragile, so scared. They are so terrified of being perceived as lesser men that they resort to this crap. It’s just that you could only feel sorry for them… if they didn’t suck, that is.
