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Pro-Israel Figures Threaten to Kill Greta Thunberg Over Gaza Aid Mission - Quds News Network (2025-06-02)
https://qudsnen.co/pro-israel-figures-threaten-to-kill-greta-thunberg-over-gaza-aid-mission/
------>> … Greta Thunberg is facing a wave of violent threats by pro-genocide individuals after joining a Gaza-bound aid flotilla. Pro-Israel figures have called for her death or harm as she sails to challenge Israel’s siege on the devastated territory.
>> Republican Senator Lindsey Graham posted on X: “Hope Greta and her friends can swim!”…
#StopIsrael #StopGenocide #FreedomFlotilla
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Man, if the holocaust happened today, turns out most people would actually be on team holocaust. Wait, that’s exactly whats happening…
I don’t think it’s most people. Opinions outside of Israel have largely shifted against it even in the US. Politicians often misrepresent their constituents on this one. At least that’s what it looks like in some polls I’ve seen.
They’re attempting to astroturf a Holocaust. People aren’t on board but the rich goombas are.
Emphasis on “rich” here. History has shown that genocide is always followed by claiming and then divvying up the resources once held by the displaced/dead. That’s always a rich-man’s game.
genocide is always followed by claiming and then divvying up the resources once held by the displaced/dead.
Like this
Good thing Luigi’s mansion is common man’s game.
Opinions outside of Israel have largely shifted against it even in the US.
Not in Congress. Not on Wall Street. No where the power congeals. We’re hitting the end-stage of the War on Terror. Western states are not going to be happy until the entire Muslim world is cowed or exterminated.
Of course, but the disconnect growing on this coincides with the disconnect on other important issues and things are eventually coming to a head.
People who vote for nazis/murderers are complicit. Politicians are elected, so the “constituents” do not get to wash the blood from their hands. They are just as guilty.
The Israeli government doesn’t represent everyone who follows the Jewish faith. Jewish practitioners (especially abroad) shouldn’t be assumed to be complicit unless they claim or are shown to be.
That may be; I know nothing. But somebody just posted something like “Jews of lemmy, how is your family on Israel / Gaza?” And most said their families were all very pro Israeli government / Zionist. It sounded a lot like most were complicit.
Here it is, and it is a bit better than when I saw it first, but still…
If you don’t think Israel’s propaganda campaign extends to lemmy I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
What? I’m not saying anything like that. But… if you’re offering, I wouldn’t mind checking out that bridge.
And most said their families were all very pro Israeli government / Zionist. It sounded a lot like most were complicit.
Impressive research effort!
No one implied otherwise here, and speaking of here, you’re rather preaching to the choir, don’t you think?
That is completely true and also unlikely to matter.
I was born 3 decades after the end of WWII. By that point Germany and Austria had gone through great lengths to repudiate the policies of the Nazis. They had paid massive reparations. They had issued numerous official and unofficial apologies. The monuments of the Nazis were torn down in favor of memorials for their victims. That didn’t stop other kids from calling me a Nazi as soon as they found out I spoke German. To this day people are comfortable making Nazi jokes about random Germans (see Oliver Zeidler).
Similarly, we have evidence that the vast majority of sexual assaults are committed by a small number of repeat offenders. That doesn’t stop the repeated mantra of, “Not all men but always a man.”
Many people, particularly in Asia, are offended that the Nazis turned the Swastika into a symbol of hatred. Most people are aware that the Nazis stole the symbol but you really can’t wear one without risking a fight, even if you have the little dots in it.
It doesn’t matter if they should or shouldn’t be assumed to be complicit; they will. People around the world will see the Star of David as a symbol of death and destruction for generations.
Yeah, no shit.
It is a holocaust, essentially.
Most people in the west you mean. Most people in the world are very much against Israel and it’s genocide. I think we forget this.
If you live in the west you can feel alone in caring about the suffering. You just feel alone in the west.
I think the only bad thing about the Holocaust was that Germany did it. Germany threatened established colonial powers. They threatened international order. Therefore the Holocaust is a terrible thing and Germany had to be stopped.
When the good guys do a Holocaust it’s not bad anymore.
Edit: I mean as far as most people use it.
Yeah. People misunderstand your comment’s viewpoint, but it’s accurate.
The allies have retconned their WWII history as brave defenders of modern society and freedom when in reality they did not intervene for anyone’s sake but their own. Least of all the Jews’. Tons of advocates for eugenics and phrenology along vocal fascists like Henry Ford in the US, imperialist ambitions towards non-western countries, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact…
You actually think that? Please tell me it’s just poorly phrased.
I’m sure he only means it as “this is the shitty way the world actually works”. Not that he personally believes it himself.
The fact that you’re stopping to read what the person said and form a charitable interpretation of it instead of just leaping down their throat while smashing your phone / keyboard with rage is commendable.
Ignoring the actual content / intended meaning of what they said the moment THIS right here disappears from Lenny is the moment it’s dead.
I mean, if they actually think the holocaust was hunky dory then fuck them, but I agree it’s probably just poorly phrased.
If you do a holocaust then you’re not one of the good guys. It’s pretty simple.
They’re clearly not speaking from their own perspective.
Ah, yes, threatening to murder teenage girls - Clearly, the moral high ground
Small correction that does not take away from the point your making, but Greta is 22.
The passage of time confuses and scares me
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She’s done more than you ever will, so she’s got that going for her.
Threatening her life is very different than criticizing her ideals and unacceptable no matter how annoying you believe she is. Also, her credentials are growing by the day despite your personal opinions.
Serious question here, what has she been successful at doing? Has there been a bill passed because of her work?
No one should ever do anything to help anyone unless they PASS A BILL (even writing a bill is not good enough)based on the help they give.
The person I replied to spoke of her “growing credentials”. Im askng what she has achieved because last I checked she hasn’t actually achieved anything other than getting some fame.
What’s weirder is that all the people defending her cannot provide anything at all in response other than insults.
Do YOU have any examples to offer of something she actually achieved?
You could check the Wikipedia entry for her, there’s a few accomplishments in there. in any case, I’d say attempting to bring food to starving people under death threats and attempts for doing so makes any of her attempts at doing something, whether the goal is accomplished, far better than whatever you’ve got going on.
She makes chuds like you cry.
That’s something.
She also lost like 90% of public and media attention over speaking out against Israel. And she is putting her own life at great risk at this very moment.
She sparked Fridays For Future, the last German government got elected largely in the wake of their protests (among others) and achieved huge steps forward in transitioning our energy supply to renewables.
We are sadly now back to conservatives, but they won’t be able to reverse all that was achieved.
Thank you for being the first to actually provide an example of something she did.
Even without tangible achievements, boosting the climate movement on a global level like she did is not nothing.
I read it. That’s why I asked. There isn’t much there
Thunberg’s climate activism began when she persuaded her parents to adopt lifestyle choices that reduced her family’s carbon footprint.
She protested outside the Swedish parliament where she called for stronger action on climate change by holding up a Skolstrejk för klimatet (School Strike for Climate) sign and handing out informational flyers.[3] After the election, Thunberg spoke in front of supporters, telling them to use phones to film her. She then said she would continue school striking for the climate every Friday until Sweden was in compliance with the Paris climate agreement.
Sweden signed the agreement and is on track with the Paris climate agreement from what I can tell.
After Thunberg addressed the 2018 United Nations Climate Change Conference, weekly climate strike protests took place on Fridays around the world. In 2019, coordinated multi-city protests involved over a million students each.
Thunberg’s rise to world fame made her an ad hoc leader in the climate activist community.
Thunberg’s influence on the world stage has been described by The Guardian and other media as the “Greta effect”
She has received honours and awards, including in Time’s 100 most influential people, named the youngest Time Person of the Year in 2019, inclusion in the Forbes list of The World’s 100 Most Powerful Women (2019),[19] and nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Thunberg won a climate change essay competition held by Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet. In part, she wrote: “I want to feel safe. How can I feel safe when I know we are in the greatest crisis in human history?”
In December, after Sweden’s 2018 general election, Thunberg continued to school strike – but only on Fridays. She inspired school students across the globe to take part in her Friday school strikes. In December alone, more than 20,000 students held strikes in at least 270 cities.
Thunberg’s speech during the plenary session of the 2018 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP24) went viral.[67] She said that the world leaders present were “not mature enough to tell it like it is”.[68] In the first half of 2019, she joined various student protests around Europe, and was invited to speak at various forums and parliaments. At the January 2019 World Economic Forum, Thunberg gave a speech in which she declared: “Our house is on fire.”[69] She addressed the British, European and French parliaments; in the latter case several right-wing politicians boycotted her.[70][71] In a short meeting with Thunberg, Pope Francis thanked her and encouraged her to continue her activism.
While in New York, Thunberg was invited to give testimony in the US House Select Committee on the Climate Crisis on 18 September. Instead of testifying, she gave an eight-sentence statement and submitted the IPCC Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5 °C as evidence.
…made an official complaint against five nations that were not on track to meet the emission reduction targets they committed to in their Paris Agreement pledges: Argentina, Brazil, France, Germany, and Turkey.[83][84] The complaint challenged these countries under the Third Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
In late September 2019, Thunberg entered Canada where she participated in climate protests in Montreal, Edmonton and Vancouver, including leading a climate rally as part of the 27 September 2019 Global Climate Strike in Montreal.
Thunberg participated in climate protests in New York City with Alexandria Villaseñor and Xiye Bastida; in Washington, D.C., with Jerome Foster II; Iowa City; Los Angeles; Charlotte; Denver with Haven Coleman; and the Standing Rock Indian Reservation with Tokata Iron Eyes.
Thunberg arrived in the Port of Lisbon on 3 December 2019,[96][97] then travelled on to Madrid to speak at COP25 and to participate with the local Fridays for Future climate strikers.
On 30 December 2019, Thunberg was guest editor of the BBC Radio’s flagship current affairs programme…
On 21 January 2020, Thunberg returned to the World Economic Forum held in Davos, Switzerland, delivered two speeches, and participated in panel discussions hosted by The New York Times and the World Economic Forum. Thunberg used many of the themes contained in her previous speeches, but focused on one in particular: “Our house is still on fire.” Thunberg joked that she cannot complain about not being heard, saying: “I am being heard all the time.”
I’m not even halfway through the wikipedia article.
Before you jump in and say “well, she hasn’t actually done anything” let me ask you; What did Martin Luther King Jr. actually do?
The answer is, she’s a serial protester and very successful at getting arrested.
There are innumerable people who are actually achieving things but no one cares.
For example, medicines sans frontiers has medical professionals in Gaza. I haven’t seen any posts about them on lemmy. Those people have been being heroes every day for many months.
I don wonder what her actual role is on the boat. I suspect she’s head person in charge of raising awareness.
And that’s kind of my point. She’s great at getting attention for her but isn’t getting things done. She’s a celebrity-activist
In some ways I think the “attention” is counter productive.
Everyone is aware of the debate around climate change or gaza. Getting views from lemmy users on YouTube videos doesn’t help anything.
Greta is incapable of reaching the people who need to be reached. A fresh faced gen z can’t guilt boomers into changing their behaviour.
I don’t dislike Greta specifically, but the obsession with her every utterance is ridiculous.
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Good question! I hope he responds.
Also, guaranteed he talks about “females” on reg.
Wow… I didn’t realize that got posted.
I wrote it out (mostly - I didn’t finish it), but then thought better of it, but I didn’t immediately delete it. Then later when I opened my screen, there it was, still. And I actuslly thought “Lucky I didn’t butt-post that.”
Apparently not.
Ah well…
Well, that was an absolutely garbage take. Good on you.
How exactly is she annoying?
She points out that things are preventably bad while also being a normal-looking young woman. How dare she.
Let her have her last few years of relevancy.
So what’s your opinion on Andrew Tate?
Allow me to translate.
I form my worldview on vibes alone and am incapable of thinking for myself. My perception of people is entirely filtered through memes and sensationalist media.
Like you have cred.
More relevant, but less annoying than you are.
How dare you?!
/S
Serves them right if they’re… checks notes… feeding starving people. Yep.
Pieces of shit
however very on brand
She hasn’t been a teenager for a while. This idea has been perpetuated by Right Wingers since she came on the scene, and despite her turning 18 four years ago, people treat her as if she was an ignorant child. We need to all know this and stop propagating this.
I mean they’re well past threatening. They’ve been killing hundreds of actual children in Palestine for months.
The last boat was destroyed. Everyone on this boat could die, too. Those people are insanely brave doing this. hopefully they all come out of this alive and are able to help people.
Bravest woman I every heard of in that generation. I hope she makes it safe. She would make excellent world leader someday. Fuck Lindsay Graham and rest of the ghouls.
BuT sHe’S a WoMaN!
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What a silly thing to say.
I’m certain that pretty much every person in ukrain or gaza or a bunch if other places has more demonstrated bravery than Greta.
What makes you say that? She’s choosing to put her life in danger for others when she doesn’t have to. How is that less brave than simply being born in a certain place?
Wikipedia says there are 20,000 women in combat roles in Ukraine, who have chosen to put their life in danger for others when they don’t have to. Most of them don’t post videos about it.
Oh, damn. I didn’t know 20k out of 20 million is “most people”. That changes things.
I didn’t say that ?
I did however provide 20,000 examples of women braver than Greta.
"What a silly thing to say.
I’m certain that pretty much every person in ukrain or gaza or a bunch if other places has more demonstrated bravery than Greta. "
Are you claiming that there’s only 20k people in Ukraine? Cause otherwise, yeah, you did claim that.
Also, yes, they’re brave no question about that. But they’re protecting their own. Greta is helping others. I’d argue that that’s braver.
Well, we all know who the actual terrorists are.
Spectator: The sinister transformation of Greta Thunberg
JNS Daily: Danish police arrest Greta Thunberg during pro-Hamas protest
NYPost: Greta Thunberg goes full in on Jew-hate because left politics is all one big blob
Conservatives have been gunning (quite literally) for Greta for nearly a decade. Israelis are going to 100% try and kill her. She’s going to be martyred if she’s not protected.
She’s going to be martyred if she’s not protected.
Yes, I’m afraid she probably will.
I’m sure she’s aware
as much as us random unqualified internet commenters? pshh
Well,
we all knowsome people claim, that they know who the actual terrorists are./Ftfy.
The Jews? America? All of them? I don’t know what you’re insinuating.
‘Pro-Israel figures’ as the headline says are the terrorists they are probably referring to, the ones threatening to kill people on a humanitarian aid mission.
aka zionists
He’s refering to Taiwan obviously.
Wow, that’s a pretty insane reaction, why would they say something like th- Oh, I see, they say shit like that all the time and almost no one calls them out on it? They’d kill her with impunity if she were even slightly darker-skinned, and will brook no interference with their ethnic cleansing? It’s a good thing that the ICC is at least reining them in befo- oh, they’ve also been largely impotent to stop the bloodbath from flying off the rails?
Sen. Lindsay Graham among the threats
Yeah I feel like years ago someone would have had to step down from their position and quit politics in shame for such a dishonorable statement.
Hoping someone shoots missiles and sinks civilians trying to feed the poor. What a terrible soul.
Lindsey Graham is a pus riddled sore. Why does cancer harm the innocent when there is righteous work to be done?
Honestly, my generation (80s) does not deserve Ms. Thunberg.
having seen humanity, she’s not the person we deserve, but the one we need
Can we all agree. A certain percentage of Zionists people. Are blood thirsty monsters? And they should be taken out before they can harm other people. Preferably put in prison.
That “certain percentage” is 100%.
I would say the same thing about the J word. But you get banned if you say the J word. So Zionist it is.
You don’t get banned for saying “Jews”. You WILL get banned for saying the Jews should be exterminated, or that “100% of Jews…”
We do not tolerate hate speech, no matter who it’s directed at.
To my understanding Jew is not perjorative but could be in context eg if offense is obviously intended or if mention of ethnicity or religion is otherwise irrelevant.
Correct, there’s nothing perjorative about “Jews”, but the overall context can be concerning.
People get all hot and bothered and start conflating “Jews” with “Israelis” and “Zionists”.
You can be a non-Israeli Jew. You can be a non-Jewish Zionist, they don’t all mean the same thing.
It sure feels like any disagreement with a certain group. Gets you banned.
You’re welcome to disagree, just don’t make hateful statements.
It’s more that pretending certain groups are a monolith, or really pretending anything is something it’s not, to justify hate speech is banned. Sure, it’s easy to pretend that all Jews are Zionists (ergo all Jews are pro-genocide) but it’s demonstrably untrue and just lazy thinking.
Most Jewish people are pro Israel and amongst those who are most religious or Orthodox most rises to an overwhelming majority.
This isn’t pretending an ethic group has negative characteristics from a stereotype this is acknowledging an actual view most in a group have.
Most Americans are pro Christianity. Even if you view Christianity negatively it’s ok to say Americans are infatuated with the trappings if not the actual virtues of Christianity because it’s true even if this isn’t true of every single one of us.
Right, but “most” is not “monolith.” There’s around 16 million jews worldwide, so even if 90% of jews are pro-zionist that’s still over a million non-zionist jews. List of Jewish anti-Zionist organizations. Generalizations about groups of people are harmful even if they’re true, because it’s unfair to the those who don’t fit the generalization.
Fuck off Nazi, anyone with sense knows the difference between Zionism and Jews.
To be clear, you’re saying that you would say that 100% of Jews should be “taken out,” except that this would get you banned?
Absolutely not. I would say zionists need to be stopped judiciously. Through the human rights courts and other organizations. This is all their making. We need to stop them before they start a nuclear war.
anti-zionist jews are some of the loudest voices and most crucial organizers of resistance against the zionist occupation of palestine. fuck right off you antisemitic piece of shit.
I’m not an anti-Semite. I’m from a similar tribe as Jewish people. I just have family who lived through their own genocide and I have no patience for people perpetrating genocide in the this modern era. If I can’t be objective against this group for what I have anecdotally experienced. Then what do you call that? Because that’s not free speech. I don’t call people names or call them slurs.
A: what exactly is a “similar tribe as Jewish people”? Like, Arabic? Cause that doesn’t exactly preclude being racist against Jews…
B: my man, you literally just said that all Jews are blood thirsty monsters, and they should be taken out before they can harm other people. You can’t seriously think you can somehow flip that around as some sort of enlightened anti-genocide platform.
Friendly reminder that even being Jewish doesn’t preclude being racist against Jews.
I am not who you replied to, but my guesses:
A: Romani B: The post they were replying “100%” to specified zionists.
While I do not agree 100% of zionists are bloodthirsty monsters I do believe any people who claim some holy right to a land are inevitably going to commit atrocities to take or defend their magic dirt.
I’m gonna attach a screenshot so you can see that yes, the post they were replying to did indeed say Zionists, and they made it about all Jews. Not sure what exactly you’re trying to say with point B.
Armenian. Our genetics show up as Jewish on 23 and me because we are similar tribes from wayyyyyyyyyy back. I also had my entire male side of my family killed in the Armenian genocide. And my aunts turned into slave sex workers for the Turks.
While I agree, why so much punctuation?
I’m a terrible writer.
But a great panda.
Is that percentage 100%? Because any desire to take land without any respect for the ones living there for thousands of years has a certain… Lebensraum ambience attached to it
Basically we need to stop being captain america and lean towards being the punisher.
A certain percentage of all people are bloodthirsty monsters, especially when it comes to people unlike themselves.
And anyone who thinks this problem is caused by no one trying to use a bomb, gun, or flamethrower to solve it is the biggest idiot in planet earth.
Same with other side right?
A certain percentage of all humans with personal causes are blood thirsty monsters.
Yes, but most bloodthirsty monsters don’t get to use advanced military weapons and don’t receive billions in aide to seek blood
Way too many folks that enjoy genocide these days.
Good. This means Greta is doing the right thing. Also, it’s about time she’s back in the spotlight, and not some minor footnote when talking about activism events.
She lost the spotlight when she connected capitalism to climate change.
Um, do you really believe they aren’t linked?
I think they’re saying that’s why she lost the spotlight.
That’s part though I believe the CO2 output of the USSR when it existed strongly suggests the issue is overconsumption and industrialization.
The USSR stopped existing in 1991, by which point climate change wasn’t taken nearly as seriously as it is today. Now that it is taken seriously, capitalism hinders or entirely prevents serious action from being taken because it puts power in the hands of the people who directly benefit from polluting the atmosphere. I mean how many times have you seen “oil lobby kills climate bill” in a headline?
The fact that it ended in 1991 is why I mention “while it existed”.
The fact remains a counter example of a non-capitalist economy that drove climate change on a massive scale exists so you cannot blame capitalism as easily as industrialization.
Which are two things capitalism thrives on.
No because industrialized economies that were not capitalistic have also significantly contributed to climate change in the past (The USSR primarily).
The real issue is overconsumption and industrialization and we would see climate change regardless of the ideology regulating the economy provided it was industrialized.
And yet emissions got worse, and capitalism is making advertisements to over consume everything. One is not isolated from the other.
Also, kinda weird to suggest that industrialised economies were not capitalistic…
The real issue is overconsumption
Don’t blame people for what capitalism has done all on its own.
Why did you ignore the first paragraph entirely as that’s kind of the point of my post? The USSR was the second largest contributor to climate change after the USA when it existed.
Because Russia is a capitalist nation, with a healthy mix of Putin’s dictatorship thrown in for good measure.
To deny that, simply because Russia says they operate under socialist gov’t, is to be blind to the truth.
THE USSR IS NOT RUSSIA.
THE USSR WAS A HUGE CONTRIBUTOR TO CLIMATE CHANGE.
IT IS NOT CAPITALISM THAT IS THE PROBLEM BECAUSE AN OVERCONSUMING COMMUNIST NATION WOULD HAVE THE SAME RESULTS
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good job 👍
Bad headline. They are advocating for killing her. They are not threatening to kill her because most of the people mentioned do not have the power to do so. I could threaten to arrest Netenyahu but it would not be a credible threat because that’s not within my power at all. But I can post online in favour of the idea.
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"An earlier fact-finding mission named by the same UN forum to investigate the flotilla incident also found in a report last September that the blockade violated international law. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) says the blockade violates the Geneva Conventions.
Israel says its Gaza blockade is a precaution against arms reaching Hamas and other Palestinian guerrillas by sea.
The four-man panel headed by former New Zealand Prime Minister Geoffrey Palmer found Israel had used unreasonable force in dealing with what it called “organized and violent resistance from a group of passengers.”"
I would argue that nothing I said is misinformation. My post said that the basis for much of the Freedom Flotilla Coalitions argument is based on the Freedom of Movement clause of the UN Law of the Sea Convention as they state in #1 on their own post. Their purpose for doing the blockade run is about the violation of international law for Collective Punishment, but the basis for which they believe they can challenge the the blockade is the UN Law of the Sea.
As I stated in my original post, they are smuggling goods inside of the Economic Exclusion Zone of Israel. When told to stop and yield to inspection they are claiming they don’t have to because of the UN Law of the Sea which is incorrect in this instance.
Since you referenced the UN Forum to investigate the 2010 flotilla incident, the UN panel in their report noted that
“It is clear to the Panel that preparations were made by some of the passengers on the Mavi Marmara well in advance to violently resist any boarding attempt. The description given in the Israeli report is consistent with passenger testimonies to the Turkish investigation that describe cutting iron bars from the guard rails of the ship, opening fire hoses, donning life or bullet proof vests and gas masks, and assuming pre-agreed positions in anticipation of an attack. Witness reports also describe doctors and medical personnel coordinating before the boarding in anticipation of casualties. Furthermore, video footage shows passengers wearing gas masks, life or bullet proof vests, and carrying metal bars, slingshots, chains and staves. That information supports the accounts of violence given by IDF personnel to the Israeli investigation”
“The Panel accepts, therefore, that soldiers landing from the first helicopter faced significant, organized and violent resistance from a group of passengers when they descended onto the Mavi Marmara. Material before the Panel confirms that this group was armed with iron bars, staves, chains, and slingshots, and there is some indication that they also used knives. Firearms were taken from IDF personnel and passengers disabled at least one by removing the ammunition from it. Two soldiers received gunshot wounds. There is some reason to believe that they may have been shot by passengers, although the Panel is not able to conclusively establish how the gunshot wounds were caused. Nevertheless, seven other soldiers were wounded by passengers, some seriously.”
So, the Flotilla asserts that they have the right to freedom of movement by the Law of the Sea Convention, which they didn’t, and when the IDF boarded the ship they were violently attacked by “non-violent” activists.
Looks like the fatwa’s on the other foot.
