I’ve been saying it since 2016: the EU should start granting political asylum to people from the US.
edit: I did say political
Reverse the brain drain of the 1930s.
Sure, 1930s…
and 1940s
I moved from the U.S. to Germany in 2020.
My running joke since was wondering whether I’d be eligible for citizenship or asylum first….
Almost over the finish line for being eligible for citizenship, but I feel like asylum isn’t that far off.
You don’t need asylum if you are a legal resident. Asylum is the most insecure form of permit, especially in Germany, where the society is currently getting more and more hostile to migration, including labeling countries like Afghanistan as “safe countries of origin” and organizing deportations with the Taliban.
Hence the “joke” part….
There are already a handful of good digital nomad (and other) visa options that are really tempting.
I haven’t done a TON of research here, just watched a lot of youtube videos discussing the process, daydreaming of placing some distance between myself and Trump. There are a handful of countries across Europe I’d jump at the chance to move to if there were reasonable odds to get permanent residence or citizenship.
I think we don’t want open entrance policies in place that would make it easier for MAGAs to come over. Best to have some kind of requirement which filters out the MAGAs as much as possible, say minimum education level to get a work or digital nomad visa or only people from “at risk groups” such as Transexuals qualifying for asylum.
Were I am now, Portugal, there’s pretty open immigration policy for Brazil with no actual minimum requirements and the result is that we imported a ton of far right muppets from there, to the point that in the last Brazilian Presidential election the proportion of voters for Bolsonaro in Portugal (as Brasilians can vote from abroad) was a lot larger than in Brasil - since Brasilians resident in Portugal can get Portuguese nationality after 5 years, this also help fuel the rise of the Far Right locally.
Having some kind of reasonably easy and fair system to filter out the Fascist assholes would be much better.
Nope don’t do it. U will get MAGA. Be super careful vetting anything that loves trump and musk. I myself planning on retiring early. 45 yo software engineer. I will end up in SEA in next 4 years. Getting ready to sell all my investment property here. America is not going to last for too long.
We’re already getting MAGA, thanks to the internet. It’s called far-right populism. Many of their takes are taken over from the X crazies 1:1. Sometimes they don’t even fit our situation. No matter. Flooding the zone is all that counts.
U guys need to shut down Twitter and Facebook asap. Literally block it completely. Only way and only last chance. It’s like rabies
omg then the EU as we know it wont exist for long if such policies were to be implemented.
because it would be full of people?
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Canada seriously needs to make a big show of offering the same thing. It’s now or never.
We don’t have the housing. Carney needs to get the government into home building yesterday.
deport all the illegals. its easier and faster than house building.
No no no, you’re trying to be a better place than the US. Stop talking like them.
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Most in Canada are here legally, might want to check your sources.
dude, as much as i’m anti-immigration, you’re overdoing it, and also, your proposals are ineffective.
in germany, for example, the population that immigrated since 2012 makes up approx. 3% of the total population. that means that the population is roughly 3% larger than it would be without that immigration.
that is what you should be talking about. 3% larger population means higher workforce (supply of labor), and therefore lower wages (prices for labor). That is because the immigrants add almost no demand for labor (since they have a low buying power).
Demand for labor is mainly driven by growth, and we’ve had two big waves of growth since 1800: Quantitative (industrialization) and qualitative (IT work). Since both of these two waves end their growth approx. now, the demand for labor goes down. There’s no point in importing more labor force, it would only make the wages go down. That is what you have to talk about: the decreasing wages through the import of cheap labor. It’s essentially wage-dumping in the own country. That is what the people should be talking about. Not racism. We’re not better people than them, we just need to get the workforce smaller to drive the wages up.
That requires, ofc, that the borders are closed also for goods and products. If products have to be produced inside the country because the borders are closed, companies can’t just do the wage dumping in another country.
Btw, almost everywhere the number of illegal immigrants is extremely low. In the US, they make up 25% of all immigrants, IIRC, which is not much. There’s not much there to talk about, especially since these illegal immigrants are good at hiding and hard to catch. But what you can do is to study the socio-economic consequences of immigration/high birth rate and then draw your conclusions. If you really care about the people, you’d first close the borders in all developed countries, and then drop the birth rate really really low. That would give power to the people, since they are in higher demand, and keep the wages as high as possible, because the production would stay approx. constant (think the farmland is constant) but the consumption is lowest, so there’s more resources for everyone.
in germany, for example, the population that immigrated since 2012 makes up approx. 3% of the total population. that means that the population is roughly 3% larger than it would be without that immigration.
That doesn’t sound correct. Source? As of 2022, 19% of Germany was foreign born. Unless there was some kind of mass immigration prior to 2012 - which I don’t see in the stats - you appear to be mistaken.
This seems like a really bad take.
Do take a look at the age pyramid @Miaou posted. Germany needs a lot of young people to herd its old people. German ministers flying to the Phillipines and Kenya and Brazil to find care workers – that’s for a reason! And dropping the birth rate lower does not mean more high-paying jobs, it means more low-paying care jobs in relation to total number of jobs.
In addition there are a bunch of jobs that Germans don’t really do anymore (plucking asparagus, slaughtering hogs, cleaning office buildings, …) because they are badly paid hard labor which are however in some way useful to society.
Granted, preventing migrants from taking bad jobs may mean that high-paying automation jobs open up. But that’s the only silver lining. (Fwiw, Japan had a very strict immigration policy, because they figured that elderly care might be something easily accomplished with robot dogs and other gimmicks. It turns out though that that assumption was wrong. It also turns out that a lot of people from countries like Malaysia and the Phillipines would love to work in Japan, despite the racism. So Japan has adapted its policies on foreign labor somewhat now.)
Please stop parroting this notion that Canada’s problems mirror those if the united states.
The number of so called “illegals” pales in comparison to the number of foreign investors buying up property and jacking IP the rental rates.
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You should probably go back to whatever hole conservatives hide in nowadays. Xitter seems more your speed for trolling
Reddit, I heard
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Isn’t a large portion of housing owner by Chinese “investors” and just sitting empty? You may want to consider why your attention in on the immigrants.
Or, you know, force investors to sell.
A lot of scientists get paid terribly in Canada unfortunately. Certain industries are non existent or exist to support the US industry (mainly pharma)
I left the US for Germany almost 2 years ago now. I’m a software/aerospace engineer. It was like time traveling to the future in some ways, worker right are way better here and 6 weeks of vacation has cemented that I’ll never go back.
Now I just need to do my part to make sure conservatives don’t ruin this country any more than they already have. Not excited for Merz to get into power and continue selling out his country.
Myself included lol.
Moi même aussi lol
Pas besoin du “même”, juste: “moi aussi” :)
J’espère que la France vous plaira, bonne adaptation!
Est-ce qu’on distribue les baguettes, les cigarettes et les bérets obligatoires à la frontière française, ou est-ce plutôt une chose parisienne ?
They’re more like a passport. If you don’t have them when you arrive, we won’t let you in. 😂
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Je ne comprends pas l’anglais grossier
Do make sure you understand rule 1 of this community though. :)
Oh yeah, I was only speaking French out of courtesy to the other poster. I just figured that would be a “French response” to the removed comment.
Left for Taiwan in the first Trump presidency. Haven’t been back since.
Cool, what you’re doing over there?
Website optimization. My customers are global so I can work remotely.
Jealous! Taiwan is an amazing place
Come visit. We are a very welcoming country and love foreigners and tourist!
When you gonna go full China? Feel like that’s the best bet at this point.
I prefer to call it West Taiwan, at this point, China needs democracy and what best to bring it than Taiwan.
I feel like the amount of stupid per unit volume in America is indeed increasing.
But decreasing per kg :)
kg
“Stupid communist units that nobody understands”
- the USA, probably
I wish I was a scientist so I could go too.
And frankly, this is just another parallel to WWII and Nazi Germany’s rise. The non-fascist scientists and people fled to safer pastures.
Can some of y’all flee to Canada instead?
We have French Canada if your dead set on speaking French.
I’d love to move to Canada. How can I find a job there?
The affordable housing is the more pressing problem.
how much worse is it than major metros in the empire?
I remember Vancouver area, all of it, spiking very fast and very hard a decade before the pandemic. I haven’t kept up with the market in a couple years though, maybe it’s gotten better?
maybe it’s gotten better
I’m sorry, you don’t seem to be familiar with the century we’re in.
I 100% would but being “skilled labor” kinda ruins it. I am finding out that 15 years of nuclear instrumentation work doesn’t appear to help much, at least not according to what I have found. For now though I am stuck here dealing with the insanity of America’s downfall. New plan is to save all my money to spend abroad and in Canada when on vacation. Just embarrassing to be American now.
“Skilled labor” i.e. SEO (search-engine optimization)
Vancouver and Toronto are so expensive. What are some LCOL cities in Canada?
Also its very cold in winter. Love the super long summer days though :-)
$16M for 3 scientists for 3 years? I hope those scientists are bringing their whole labs with them?
Why not? That’s ~1.77 million per year per scientist. Yes, that is a lot of money. But if you think about it, those scientists might be able to start multibillion dollar economies. They can train hundreds of experts in their field. And some lousy CEO of some stupid company gets paid more
Top level scientists/professors are like famous sports players. Recruiting them is a prestige boost which attracts students and employees, but also can have very direct results if they manage some breakthrough or novel solution.
Talking about labs. Building, organizing and running those is far harder than spending money on equipment usually.
Maybe they are just being well paid
This is a foreign concept to American scientists.
Also very foreign to french scientists tbh
i hope they are engineers or doctors. not the “science” of gender studies. lol
You got a problem with people wanting to not be pieces of shit huh?
Anyways here is some good book recommendations for everyone else.
1: My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness by Nagata Kabi
2: Fun Home by Alison Bechdel (Yes the same Bechdel behind the Bechdel test)
3: How We Fight for Our Lives by Saeed Jones
What’s wrong with gender studies? Fiji has three genders!
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There are as many as we want, they’re a social construct.
EDIT - Just so anyone reading this knows, their deleted comment was, “There are more than three genders.”
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Sex and gender are not the same thing. Sounds like you need a gender studies course.
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I hope you have the day you deserve. lol.
The atmosphere is nearly perfect for an EU resurgence. American workers potentially willing to leave is only one piece of it. You also have interest in drawing together as a continent against a new shared enemy. Hell even Germany is ready to drop their spending limitations to actually try to rise to the occasion.
I really wish they’d take it a step further and pump heavy investment into the region - and not just defense. Isn’t it exactly the right time to build European industries to replace the American ones they are no longer sure they can trust?
So true! I especially hope the software industry will be a focus. That’s where security and civilian life converge and Europe has the skilled labor to pull it off.
Back in 1945 you know how many people America took in who did any kind of scientific work. wernher von braun may be the most famous. That was just to insure that America would be leaders in the world. Now it doesn’t seem America wants to have anything to do with leading the world in any field to progresses america as a country.
Wernher Von Braun? This one?! Hahahah
Gather 'round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun A man whose allegiance Is ruled by expedience Call him a Nazi, he won’t even frown “Ha, Nazi, Schmazi” says Wernher von Braun
Don’t say that he’s hypocritical Say rather that he’s apolitical “Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That’s not my department” say Wernher von Braun
Wdym? We already have Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Horowitz, Yarvin, etc.
EDIT: apparently the sarcasm wasn’t obvious, so here’s your ‘/s’
Literally people that try to rip the US apart and privatize it.
The pinnacle of leadership in the field of enshittification.
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the usa doesnt need MORE capitalists
Y’all need data analysts?
Data analysts with decades of wine industry experience?
I know a guy…
Sadly, France doesn’t have a very well developed wine industry yet!
If only some Americans could show them the way… I’m sure all they’re missing are some sick viral marketing campaigns, maybe replace the corks with sports-drink style suck-on plastic caps and some bold colourful text on the labels. Of course we’ll also have to replace the grapes with corn syrup to improve margins.
Just don’t tell anyone about The Judgment of Paris and similar events that showed the wine world, and French wines in particular, in a very poor light.
You may have a look to Bordeaux’s University. There are litterally school and research center for wine 🤣
https://www.u-bordeaux.fr/universite/organisation-et-fonctionnement/composantes-de-formation/isvv
This French university made the news on scientific news sources a week or so ago when they announced this, I thought it was a fluke… glad to see they are getting applicants
Of course, I am fully aware that this is just one isolated case since US-based academics would never think of applying for European positions. Most US-based academics would never know resources such as EURAXESS which hosts many academic positions in Eurozone and beyond, or jobrxiv dot org which also includes lots of European academic positions. This is not mentioning country-specific resources such as when I was lurking on jobbnorge dot no for Norwegian jobs, and a personal communication I had with someone at University of Gothenburg who was literally asking me where to look for US-based postdoctoral applicants…
Anyway what was I saying
Need any IT?
Germany needs plenty. But only the cheap ones with expert knowledge. That’s not how they would word it though
Well, the correct german word is to say ‘Fachkräftemangel’ which in my experience translates to ‘We need someone with 20+ years of experience, that we can pay like an intern’
Couldn’t have said it better
How though. I don’t mind working for cheap since I am almost retiring anyways. Need something to keep me busy if I don’t have to stress about politics.
First big hurdle: speaking German.
Second: ageism is a thing, even though it’s not legal to be one. They want someone that has 20 yoe who is 18 and is going to work 50 years for a dime for them
Yep that sucks. Likely SEA retirement then. Might just do meditation and learn machine learning.
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Makes me wonder where all that money is going? I mean they must be making billions in those funding cuts. Are they all gonna funnel that money into Russia and tech oligarch’s pockets?
They want to create an oligarchy in the US.
Privatise everything and give them to their billionaire buddies to run.
Imagine the money you can make by selling weather data, gathered by government sensors. Or a private VA organisation with an exclusive contract with the government.
Selling to who?
If the masses are penniless serfs, who is going to buy the services provided? One of the other 8 billionaires who own the country?
They really haven’t considered the longer term here. Ultimately, they’ll be kings of a worthless backward shitheap, despised and shunned by the international community, their best and most promising exfiltrated to the rest of the world then fenced off to rot into obscurity.
Like North Korea, more or less.
That is exactly what they want. They want us to literally live like dark age serfs while they live in opulent and highly technologically advanced palaces that cater to them.
They don’t just want everything. They want everyone else to have NOTHING. A billionaire in a chauffered Bently that costs 500,000 dollars definitely looks down on people driving Honda Civics that cost 20,000. But imagine if they were in that Bently and the people around them had no cars, and even a bicycle is a luxury, and whatever public transport that is available is prone to breakdown. Their ability to look down upon the serfs is much greater, which is what they want.
The issue is that technology advances with the whole, the internet/smartphones/gaming etc. All benefit from large populations being able to buy/engage with them.
They don’t care. At all. They would hoard it all for themselves and use as many common people as medical guinea pigs for medical experiments to prolong their own wretched existence, too. Imagine the average ‘elite’ living 20 or 30 years longer than the ‘common’ person. They would see more superior and like gods even though they fully well know it is entirely them killing their underlings.
Trump effectively orchestrated the fucked up response to the pandemic that resulted in 500,000 deaths. They knew that far more minorities would be harmed than whites. If you think they also ultimately care about their white underlings you are wrong.
The point was, that isn’t possible. If everyone is too poor to consume, their system stops, and they aren’t rich anymore.
Long term, the snake is eating it’s own tail. What happens when it gets to it’s own head? It chokes to death (and scavengers pick over the corpse).
Either they’re too stupid to know what happens at the end, or they’re stupid enough to think they can jump off the ride with the loot before it crashes.
In neither scenario would I want to be living that close to the coming chaos.
Either they’re too stupid to know what happens at the end, or they’re stupid enough to think they can jump off the ride with the loot before it crashes.
Both. The answer is both. They really think they can survive environmental collapses. They would more than the average person… but not for very long.
The US is an oligarchy already. It has been since at least the late 70s. It is just that now the system is falling apart.
Brain drain also shifts the country rightward. Worked well for Fidesz, will work well for the Republicans.
yes
Not to Russia probably, not directly at least. Just to oligarchs. But not just tech oligarchs, oil barons will obviously take their share, no oligarchs will be left hanging
Makes me wonder where all that money is going?
Scroll down to spending categories. Most money is spent on things like social security, medicare, veteran care, unemployment insurance, and health. Defense is 13% (and absolutely needs to be audited ASAP). Interest payments on debt is now 13% and growing fast. This is why it’s important to at least reduce the deficit as fast as possible. Imagine how much good the government could do with another $400B each year without those interest payments. (well, maybe not this government, but the next one).
Since this shows spending since 2024 oct it would mostly relate to spending in the government before actually wouldn’t it? I am more interested in what they are going to do with all the influx of money that will come from all the funding cuts that have happened in the last month or so.
