the magamobile… i know it has its issues, but the sad thing is, if you want an electric car as a person who does not care about car-people-things, the magamobile is one of the best options in terms of efficiency. ALSO in terms of used vehicles, you can get teslas so bloody cheap rn and for people who just want to get from A to B with Comfort and ease, you dont have so many other options.
At some point you have to draw a line, and the car sold by the guy who’s directly helping to destroy the US, helping the AFD in Germany get more power, and cutting aid to so many other countries which will lead to millions of deaths is a pretty fucking easy line to draw. Besides, as the saying goes, “electric cars aren’t here to save the planet, they’re here to save cars” so take public transit and fight for it if you don’t have it(also this is in Germany and Europe generally has more options than the backwater that is the US).
There are plenty of other options that aren’t so boldly rotten as Tesla, too. People not wanting even the slightest inconvenience is how we get into these messes and it’s time to buck up and deal with it.
yea because public transport works everywhere perfectly fine and people who have to use a car they bought because they cant afford buying a new one as a political statement can go fuckoff! sounds like a perfect plan.
not buying new teslas/try to boycott the company should be the line imo.not judging people that make use if something they already have! if you have a thing, use it as long as it freaking works is one of the most sustainable things you can do lol
or do you mean using a magic wand and make the problems go away with “buck up and deal with it”?
nobody says that electric cars save the planet (beside maga idiots), also public transport wont save the planet alone bro.
if you have an bicycle that will save the planet more than public transport. if you have an electric car thats charged by sustainable energy that will save the planet more than some fucked up diesel engine.
your statement is just way to far off by fucking reality.
I hadn’t even considered that this is causing the used market to drop out. We could be urging people who otherwise couldn’t or wouldn’t to adopt EVs. Could turn the negative into a positive.
yes!!! This is a great thing for the Used Market, especially when considering that the longer you drive an ev (with eco friendly energy) the better the thing is for the planet! GO BUY USED EVs!!!
when you have Solar Power@Home (or biogas or whatever you can do to produce electric energy) a cheap used ev is the absolute best option when you need a car.
Totally agree and the fucker already got the money. They are just fucking other people’s lives. However, we can agree that if you think you’re buying a car that someone is going to burn down, then that’s a good deterrent to buy them. So I can also see the positive side of things. And all these cars are probably insured against vandalism anyway
ICE cars are filled with gasoline and function by blowing it up, the risk is clear. EVs should not be catching fire.
Also yea, I want people to use public transportation, actually. And I want villages to return, not these horrendous sprawling “small towns” where, despite having less stuff than my Montréal neighbourhood, it’s a huge pain to get anywhere and you need a car at least simply because too many jobs that could be remote aren’t.
You don’t need insurance FOR your car. You MUST have a “Haftpflichtversicherung” - but that only covers damage done by you and your car. If you only have that, you’ll get exactly 0 Euro.
Most people here have partial coverage, so if glass breaks, you get into an accident with a wild animal or you car gets stolen - and you’ll get some money back.
Full coverage would also include stupid mistakes you made. As long as they are not on purpose or done by speeding, drinking and driving and stuff like that.
So yeah, most people with newer cars would have full coverage. Expensive tho. So older cars usually only have partial or none coverage - only “Haftpflichtversicherung” is a must. Without you are not allowed to have a car in traffic.
All cars are required to have insurance in most European countries, Germany included. Not sure if collateral damage by vandalism is covered by default, but most of the time you are covered against any damage that you yourself didn’t cause, so I assume it is covered.
Required insurance doesnt cover thing like that tho. It covers your liability not your car from the elements. For that you need at least partial coverage which tbh most people with Teslas probably have.
I can’t speak for Germany but my car insurance wouldn’t cover arson. It only covers liability, so if I cause damage or personal injury with my vehicle then my insurance kicks in and covers the other person’s damages. If I wreck my car in a single vehicle collision, a tree falls on it, or someone who doesn’t have insurance hits me then I get nothing. That is collision and/or comprehensive insurance that cover those situations respectively.
However I know that if I were to lease a vehicle, I would need to get comprehensive insurance as part of the lease agreement. These were probably leased so their insurance might cover it, definitely not all of those Tesla owners though.
I can assure you if you have a second hand 10 year old car and it burns down, you’ll get 3000€ from insurance, and good luck finding a replacement for that money.
“They have insurance” doesn’t solve all problems when you’re struggling and need a car for work.
Civilized countries require insurance so that victims aren’t at fault and on the hook, and better ones will even provide it(the province of Québec does the liability portion, for example).
Read this thread man. People have become fucking deranged, cheering on destroying the property of people who likely had no reason to believe they’d be making car payments to a Nazi.
Frankly if you’re not out canvassing for politicians you support or helping organize a union or something but you can find the time to cheer on the destruction of what is likely a worker’s property, you need to get a grip.
So many people on social media cheering for vandalizing other people’s private property just because they disagree with the politics of the maker of their cars. Wild.
Specifically his ego, Musk is such a weakling that he sees ANY attack on Tesla as an attack on himself. That may be the point basically using the cars as proxy but the fact he legit gets so upset about it means it’s working. Also as I need to remention Musk is such a fucking weak little bitch that he gets sad when folks burn something his company produces.
Not everybody has insurance that covers vandalism. Most people have a deductible they need to pay before the insurance kick in. You are forcing people to take time out of their day to take the car to the shop for repairs and/or have to deal with long administrative tasks.
Premiums would not only go up for future Tesla owners.
Not everybody has insurance that covers vandalism.
Tesla owners should upgrade quickly.
Most people have a deductible they need to pay before the insurance kick in.
True. However the main financial impact on current Tesla owners is the falling 2nd hand market price. Current owners are already losing out. Nothing can be done about that.
You are forcing people to take time out of their day to take the car to the shop for repairs and/or have to deal with long administrative tasks.
So sell the Telsa if that is a worry.
Premiums would not only go up for future Tesla owners.
If only Teslas are vandalised then only that brands premiums are affected.
Maybe one day you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens and only then you might change your mind.
You do not get to dictate what cars people get to buy, nor what kind of insurance they must have. That is not how insurance works, premiums will go up for everyone.
Besides, you tell people to sell their cars, while you acknowledge the big financial hit that would involve; who are they going to sell it to? Whoever buys it will also suffer from the vandalism you encourage.
Tesla owners are people who could afford luxury cars, and NEW Tesla owners are people who are fine with Nazis, that is, exterminating a fuckton of helpless people. The first category, I’m sorry for but they can afford the insurance and if they were stupid enough not to get one, even now when it’s obvious that they need it, it’s their loss. The second category we are at war with, and if it ever goes full blown, idk if somebody told you how wars work, but I’ll be killing them. Setting their car on fire is pretty tame compared to that.
Do people think wars consist of the parties sending strongly worded letters at each other?
Edit: and toppling a billionaire to prevent a full blown war that will kill a few million people worldwide is worth ANYTHING short of killing a few million people worldwide.
Yeah conservatives were totally the largest market for EVs before Musk took the mask off, right? You people truly have not spent even a microsecond thinking this through.
“Just because they disagree with the politics” look we can say what we want about the burning Teslas part this isn’t a “little disagreement”. Musk’s a full-blown turbo-Nazi and in and in Germany, where this happened, he’s pouring money into the AFD which is essentially just the return of a German Nazi party. Don’t water it down.
America has previously spent TONS of money destroying the property of people with those ideologies. They even had a name for that historical event: World War 2.
If people are being kidnapped out of their homes for free speech, and plans are made for invasion of other countries, which party is “starting” said war?
Imagine you buy a car and it gets burned down because the owner of the car company turns out to be a Nazi.
I would like Tesla to go bankrupt too but cheering on regular peoples property being destroyed is wrong.
Sure, I have some sympathy for those who bought them years ago.
But let’s not mince words. If you buy a Tesla today, you are literally a Nazi collaborator.
Those who bought a Tesla much earlier were more like one of those few people who bought one of Hitler’s paintings during his starving artist phase.
I think Tesla owners should put anti elon stickers on theirbcars
I saw this the other day, in north Germany
Hopefully they had bubble insurance and now they’re freed of their magamobile and can buy something better.
Yeah because insurance companies are run by great people who are known for helping others.
This is Europe, not USA. We are not getting fucked by insurance companies on a daily basis - only weekly basis.
the magamobile… i know it has its issues, but the sad thing is, if you want an electric car as a person who does not care about car-people-things, the magamobile is one of the best options in terms of efficiency. ALSO in terms of used vehicles, you can get teslas so bloody cheap rn and for people who just want to get from A to B with Comfort and ease, you dont have so many other options.
At some point you have to draw a line, and the car sold by the guy who’s directly helping to destroy the US, helping the AFD in Germany get more power, and cutting aid to so many other countries which will lead to millions of deaths is a pretty fucking easy line to draw. Besides, as the saying goes, “electric cars aren’t here to save the planet, they’re here to save cars” so take public transit and fight for it if you don’t have it(also this is in Germany and Europe generally has more options than the backwater that is the US).
There are plenty of other options that aren’t so boldly rotten as Tesla, too. People not wanting even the slightest inconvenience is how we get into these messes and it’s time to buck up and deal with it.
yea because public transport works everywhere perfectly fine and people who have to use a car they bought because they cant afford buying a new one as a political statement can go fuckoff! sounds like a perfect plan.
not buying new teslas/try to boycott the company should be the line imo. not judging people that make use if something they already have! if you have a thing, use it as long as it freaking works is one of the most sustainable things you can do lol or do you mean using a magic wand and make the problems go away with “buck up and deal with it”?
nobody says that electric cars save the planet (beside maga idiots), also public transport wont save the planet alone bro.
if you have an bicycle that will save the planet more than public transport. if you have an electric car thats charged by sustainable energy that will save the planet more than some fucked up diesel engine.
your statement is just way to far off by fucking reality.
I hadn’t even considered that this is causing the used market to drop out. We could be urging people who otherwise couldn’t or wouldn’t to adopt EVs. Could turn the negative into a positive.
Nope the “activists” say, burn em all.
yes!!! This is a great thing for the Used Market, especially when considering that the longer you drive an ev (with eco friendly energy) the better the thing is for the planet! GO BUY USED EVs!!! when you have Solar Power@Home (or biogas or whatever you can do to produce electric energy) a cheap used ev is the absolute best option when you need a car.
Imagine parking next to a Tesla and your car becomes collateral damage.
Totally agree and the fucker already got the money. They are just fucking other people’s lives. However, we can agree that if you think you’re buying a car that someone is going to burn down, then that’s a good deterrent to buy them. So I can also see the positive side of things. And all these cars are probably insured against vandalism anyway
Sometimes sacrifices have to be made to get the message across.
also buying a car knowing that elon is a nazi makes the buyers complicit as well.
it could’ve caught fire on its own, it’s a tesla.
you should’ve known that when you bought the car too, before you knew about the nazism.
Yeah ICE cars catch fire 61x more often than EVs.
Facts are important. We want people to switch to EVs. Spreading falsehoods because it helps your own side short term is wrong.
no we don’t. we want people to switch to public transit
No. Both can be true.
ICE cars are filled with gasoline and function by blowing it up, the risk is clear. EVs should not be catching fire.
Also yea, I want people to use public transportation, actually. And I want villages to return, not these horrendous sprawling “small towns” where, despite having less stuff than my Montréal neighbourhood, it’s a huge pain to get anywhere and you need a car at least simply because too many jobs that could be remote aren’t.
just to clarify I’m not talking about “EVs”. I’m talking about teslas. they’re famously prone to catching fire.
Meh, they have insurance
some of them maybe? surely not all?
You don’t need insurance FOR your car. You MUST have a “Haftpflichtversicherung” - but that only covers damage done by you and your car. If you only have that, you’ll get exactly 0 Euro.
Most people here have partial coverage, so if glass breaks, you get into an accident with a wild animal or you car gets stolen - and you’ll get some money back.
Full coverage would also include stupid mistakes you made. As long as they are not on purpose or done by speeding, drinking and driving and stuff like that.
So yeah, most people with newer cars would have full coverage. Expensive tho. So older cars usually only have partial or none coverage - only “Haftpflichtversicherung” is a must. Without you are not allowed to have a car in traffic.
All cars are required to have insurance in most European countries, Germany included. Not sure if collateral damage by vandalism is covered by default, but most of the time you are covered against any damage that you yourself didn’t cause, so I assume it is covered.
Required insurance doesnt cover thing like that tho. It covers your liability not your car from the elements. For that you need at least partial coverage which tbh most people with Teslas probably have.
Not so in Austria. Only Haftpflichtversicherung is required which only covers the car owner’s liability.
I can’t speak for Germany but my car insurance wouldn’t cover arson. It only covers liability, so if I cause damage or personal injury with my vehicle then my insurance kicks in and covers the other person’s damages. If I wreck my car in a single vehicle collision, a tree falls on it, or someone who doesn’t have insurance hits me then I get nothing. That is collision and/or comprehensive insurance that cover those situations respectively.
However I know that if I were to lease a vehicle, I would need to get comprehensive insurance as part of the lease agreement. These were probably leased so their insurance might cover it, definitely not all of those Tesla owners though.
I can assure you if you have a second hand 10 year old car and it burns down, you’ll get 3000€ from insurance, and good luck finding a replacement for that money.
“They have insurance” doesn’t solve all problems when you’re struggling and need a car for work.
So you can buy another 10 years old car with that.
Civilized countries require insurance so that victims aren’t at fault and on the hook, and better ones will even provide it(the province of Québec does the liability portion, for example).
Read this thread man. People have become fucking deranged, cheering on destroying the property of people who likely had no reason to believe they’d be making car payments to a Nazi.
Frankly if you’re not out canvassing for politicians you support or helping organize a union or something but you can find the time to cheer on the destruction of what is likely a worker’s property, you need to get a grip.
So many people on social media cheering for vandalizing other people’s private property just because they disagree with the politics of the maker of their cars. Wild.
Because this is one of the only ways to attack a billionaire.
Specifically his ego, Musk is such a weakling that he sees ANY attack on Tesla as an attack on himself. That may be the point basically using the cars as proxy but the fact he legit gets so upset about it means it’s working. Also as I need to remention Musk is such a fucking weak little bitch that he gets sad when folks burn something his company produces.
You’re not attacking a billionaire. You are attacking random private citizens.
Nah. The random private citizens get the insurance money. Premiums only go up for future Tesla owners.
Not everybody has insurance that covers vandalism. Most people have a deductible they need to pay before the insurance kick in. You are forcing people to take time out of their day to take the car to the shop for repairs and/or have to deal with long administrative tasks.
Premiums would not only go up for future Tesla owners.
Tesla owners should upgrade quickly.
True. However the main financial impact on current Tesla owners is the falling 2nd hand market price. Current owners are already losing out. Nothing can be done about that.
So sell the Telsa if that is a worry.
If only Teslas are vandalised then only that brands premiums are affected.
Maybe one day you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens and only then you might change your mind.
You do not get to dictate what cars people get to buy, nor what kind of insurance they must have. That is not how insurance works, premiums will go up for everyone.
Besides, you tell people to sell their cars, while you acknowledge the big financial hit that would involve; who are they going to sell it to? Whoever buys it will also suffer from the vandalism you encourage.
Tesla owners are people who could afford luxury cars, and NEW Tesla owners are people who are fine with Nazis, that is, exterminating a fuckton of helpless people. The first category, I’m sorry for but they can afford the insurance and if they were stupid enough not to get one, even now when it’s obvious that they need it, it’s their loss. The second category we are at war with, and if it ever goes full blown, idk if somebody told you how wars work, but I’ll be killing them. Setting their car on fire is pretty tame compared to that.
Do people think wars consist of the parties sending strongly worded letters at each other?
Edit: and toppling a billionaire to prevent a full blown war that will kill a few million people worldwide is worth ANYTHING short of killing a few million people worldwide.
Pretty sure Luigi showed a more effective way
Difficult to get public sympathy if you hit the meat shield.
But you hurt the regular people way more.
If they are insured, no.
Insurance premiums will go up on teslas.
Then people will buy less tesla.
Then Musk will get margin called.
How about stop fucking burning people’s cars in the first place?
The opposite of that statement is:-
How about stop fucking buying cars that are sold by a fascist and are being burned by anti-fascists
And it is an equally absurd proposition, because no-one should be burning another individual’s personal property
No-one should be sending money to fascists.
Premiums going up will hurt regular people more than Musk. Hurting your fellow countrymen is such a lefty thing to do…
It will only hurt people who continue to own Teslas when they renew their insurance. They are part of the demographic supporting Musk, so fuckem.
Yeah conservatives were totally the largest market for EVs before Musk took the mask off, right? You people truly have not spent even a microsecond thinking this through.
What? This has nothing to do with politics of the consumer. YOU haven’t thought this through.
The point is to damage Musk. If you continue to use his products (rather than sell or scrap) then you are part of the problems.
This is true for cars, websites, AI, satellite connectivity etc.
They don’t care. They are psychopaths,
“Just because they disagree with the politics” look we can say what we want about the burning Teslas part this isn’t a “little disagreement”. Musk’s a full-blown turbo-Nazi and in and in Germany, where this happened, he’s pouring money into the AFD which is essentially just the return of a German Nazi party. Don’t water it down.
Stop acting like you don’t get his point
That is politics. Are you suggesting it is acceptable to destroy private property that belongs to the members of the AFD?
America has previously spent TONS of money destroying the property of people with those ideologies. They even had a name for that historical event: World War 2.
That’s called war, do you want to start a war?
If people are being kidnapped out of their homes for free speech, and plans are made for invasion of other countries, which party is “starting” said war?
Did the AFD members kidnap people out of their homes for free speech and plan the invasion of other countries?