Didn’t hte Supreme Court just say that was illegal?
One thing I’ve been wondering through this whole story is does the US need Spain’s bases at all here? I mean we have a lot more bases a lot closer. So it’s all just posturing right?
Considering the US has bases in most of the EU, yes, it’s tantrums.
I’m more interested in seeing what happens with the second part of his threat, that he’ll “use those bases whether spain likes it or not”.
I believe that’s called an incursion on foreign soil.
Is it? They’re already there, so the incursion has already occurred.
I’d place military outside those bases just to be sure if i were Spain.It’s called: instead of uniting together to eliminate Iran we should gather together and eliminate the US government with its oligarchs. This will immediately solve a lot of problems in this world.
And Spain, before you count yourself blessed of being rid of them … It will only lasts until he or one of his oligarch’s can make a buck, then it’s taco time all over again.
What a fucking child, oh wait he also rapes children.
Honestly, those two are likely psychologically connected.
What’s the Spanish equivalent of “freedom fries”?
Freedom Fly
papas bravas
Patatas braves
Chorizo de la libertad? 🤷
Fuck you trump, keep your shit in your diapers you orange pedophile.
oh no, how will Spain handle not being able to get American exports???
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Those are annual numbers.
TACO, so we’re looking at, what, a week?
Surely looking at the global economy through a western capitalist perspective is the answer.
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Socialism is the answer.
Maybe losing in the short time, but getting rid of fossil dependency is in my opinion a good thing. And most of the other things have (maybe suboptimal) alternatives.
Also, now Trump has no leverage against Spain, so that’s another good thing? And its time to increase trade with China, India, etc. 😸
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The upside is that it has the potential to bring Europe even closer together.
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Because people think EU is like the US when it’s much less united, not even having a common language.
Im sure china has something they can use
The upside is the orange demented man will change his mind about it next week.
yhea, but it’s like ripping of a bandaid. the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better
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the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better
And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn’t vote for Trump, all the vulnerable… just… fuck 'em?
I don’t really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth. I think that’s going to make things even worse for everyone on earth.
imperialist BS, the US fucking over the globe for your benefit is good for you. the world stopping the US from fucking over the globe, which means it’ll just fuck over it’s people, is bad for you.
I’m not American.
I don’t think turning the US into an isolated pariah state will stop the US from fucking over the globe. Quite the contrary, I think it will just make it even worse. I don’t think there’s any situation in which a nation will “just fuck over it’s people” - we live in a globalized world, that’s a pipe dream.
I think accelerationism is a very privileged take. The first people to die will be the most vulnerable, which obviously must not be you, or you wouldn’t refer to them as “it’s people”.
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better than enabling it and help it.
And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn’t vote for Trump, all the vulnerable… just… fuck 'em?
They can always overthrow him (and the rest of their ruling class). It’s one genocide too late to worry about Americans; at this point the world has to move on and they can sink or swim. I’m not happy it had to come to this, but given their complete inability to reign in their ruling class I’m not going to complain now that nature is running its course.
I don’t really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth.
Me neither, but it’s better than a murderous neocolonial empire with 1/4 of the world as vassal states. A lot, I daresay most, of the evil the US gets up to on a monthly basis is only made possible by the cooperation of its so-called allies.
Which also means that the people behind trump are also going to lose money. He can’t piss off his handlers.
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They’ll pass any loss on to the American people, whether that’s jacking up prices or the government bailing them out with our tax dollars. What remains to be seen is just how much his average supporters will tolerate and justify until the cost to them becomes unbearable. I hope more nations follow this lead; cut us off or get him to cut your nation off, strangle us economically and make us a pariah on the global stage. His loyalists and bots and foreign bad actors may be a loud minority on the internet, but they’re still a minority and getting a free pass to be a western male chauvinist isn’t going to keep party-line voters content when their businesses fail, their mortgages default, and their kids start dying in Iran.
Good thing it’s not actually happening then.
Thanks to their unified trade policy, the only way for Trump to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. I seriously doubt he’s willing to do that.
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Yes, it protects the smaller countries as much as the big ones. Any trade retaliation, like cutting off Spain means all members would cut off USA.
All he’s doing is creating more states willing to drop USA softly. Denmark was shocked awake. Now Spain. Hopefully Ireland soon. France has always been moderately awake.
The USA is not a trustworthy partner. Their interests conflict with European values and European interests more and more.
Ruasia and china are worries, but Russia less so as it’s seen to be weak but disruptive. China acts reliably but sometimes against others interests. China are less collaborative but moving to be moreso. They will do what they can to fill the void.
Add all this uncertainty with another war in the middle east and we’re in for a rough few years. It looks like Iran has been preparing for a drawn out war for quite a while. The USA has not, yet started one.
Yes, it protects the smaller countries as much as the big ones. Any trade retaliation, like cutting off Spain means all members would cut off USA.
In theory.
…which is why I doubt this will actually happen. Too many US oligarchs would lose money. It’s just more posturing by the Taco.
Yesterday: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…
Today: Spain is a terrible country, really, one of the worst in Europe, we’re going to cut off all trade with them, we don’t want anything to do with them, and many people agree, and I know many important leaders, they’re my friends, and they love me, really they do, and they all agree, except maybe that Pedro Sánchez guy, lazy Pedro I call him, but I don’t know, sleepy Sánchez, well he wouldn’t, would he, because he’s the king of Spain, and did you know they’re still a monarchy, truly terrible system of government, and a bad country and I never liked their pie-ella, it’s not a good dish, I mean, come on, it doesn’t even compare to a Big Mac or anything, and there’s no fries, and people all agree, everyone agrees, and they love, me, they do, they say 'Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…
Tomorrow: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…
Trump should be pleased with Spain, they even named a military base after him:
“Trump’s comments came after the US relocated 15 aircraft, including refuelling tankers, from the Rota and Moron military bases in southern Spain after the country’s Socialist leadership said it would not allow them to be used to attack Iran.”
As Trump said about Starmer:
I guess our relationship isn’t what it used to be.
You are goddam right it isn’t you malignant sociopath. And it’s all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!
and the Americans that voted for you twice!
3 times.
They voted for a felon rapist pedophile 3 times.
It’s the ones that he won that count.
And it’s all 100% your fault,
You’re talking like that’s a bad thing.
It absolutely is, I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
Cooperation is generally a good thing, but it’s impossible to cooperate with USA now. Their values are simply too different from ours.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights, USA support authoritarians and corruption, and work against what used to be shared values.We (EU) support democracy and human rights,
Many migrants on boats would disagree, as well as many African nations.
Still leagues better than the US though.EU has helped a lot boat migrants, and it’s not a human right to enter EU.
EU has helped a lot boat migrants,
I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights
Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it’s just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.
Cooperation is generally a good thing,
Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.
The Vietnam war started in 1955 and ENDED in the 70’s.
That’s still 1970-1973, or four of ten years one would call “the 70s.” That said, if you want more examples you can consult this list, among others. And let’s not forget all the evil shit Israel got up to with American permission in this time period. Also… uh… mind responding to everything else I said? Unless you’re conceding those other points, in which case fair enough.
Response to your edit: The peace movement was nice, but neither it nor Carter prevented the US from installing and supporting foreign dictators, arming Israel or giving diplomatic cover to the Khmer Rouge. Carter was a good man if I’m not mistaken, but the state apparatus he presided over was as unapologetically evil as ever.
As I very clearly wrote, progress was fast in the 70’s, and ideals about peace, democracy and human rights were on the rise.
Progress being fast, clearly means things were better late 70’s than early 70’s.
I also never claimed things were only sunshine and rainbows, only that things got better.
You write like someone who did not experience the 70’s, and is completely ignorant about the mentality of the 70’s compared to the pragmatism that was before and came back very quickly after.
I absolutely agree that after WW2 USA took a new role upon themselves, to act as global police, and they clearly got drunk on their own power.
But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s. And the normalization in the White house of illegal practices with the Iran Contra, that had zero consequences for the administration.But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s.
Sure, except none of this is relevant to the topic. It’s hard to argue that things weren’t somewhat (and only somewhat) better in the 70s, but… so what? The pendulum was always going to swing in the other direction, and it did before the US did anything even close to redeeming itself. What’s your point here?
Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, one of a dwindling number of left-leaning voices in Europe
I didn’t know there were any left. Good job, Spain!
You should also look into the Hungarian elections coming up to starting to look like their far right leader will lose!
Don’t get too excited. Yes, it’s a split from Orban and Magyar is more pro-EU, but Tisza (the new party) is a splinter group from Fidesz (Orban’s party) and share many of the same views domestically.
Basically, same far right people but willing to stfu to get access to EU funds again.
That would be awesome! Do it, people!
The Spanish PSOE is a socdem party ever so slightly less to the right than the rest of Europe, greatly so because the plurinational nature of our country forcing the party further than it would like to gain the support of more leftist national parties in Euskal Herria and Catalunya. That said, I hope they still win the next elections in favour of the far right coalition of PP + Vox
There are many left-leaning left left.
Green Party in the UK are getting a louder voice, ie more support and members than ever.
That’s good, since Labour turned out to be Tory lite just like Democrats being Republican lite.
Yeah they are picking up a lot of support from disenfranchised labour voters.
I’m all for the move, and I’m definitely a progressive, but I think it’d be good for people to understand that Sanchez is no Idealist. The man is a party rat, and all his moves are calculated to keep himself in power.
As I said, I agree with the move, but the motivation is not what people think it is.
I guess it’s the broken clock thing.
What a snowflake.
Didn’t America start because some rich folks didn’t like the idea of a crazy guy who acts like a King taxing imports on a whim?
The founders also warned us against letting it happen again, and said we should all get to carry guns in case it does.
Hmmm
Spanish boicot of USA products now got easier! Yay!
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Here is a curated list of alternatives.
ironic to host this on a US service
You’re paying or seeing ads?
Not meaning lemmy.world (which I’m assuming to be European as the fedihosting foundation IBAN for donations is dutch) but GitHub which is free and (mostly, because copilot ads) adfree because paid with user data
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