Donald Trump made clear that his personal grudge with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky hasn’t abated during a phone interview with NBC News.

Speaking with Meet the Press anchor Kristen Welker on Saturday, the president knocked Zelensky for offering assistance to the U.S. and Middle Eastern countries, the latter of which the Ukrainian president said on Friday were seeking his aid in sharing drone detection technology.

The “last person we need help from is Zelensky,” Trump told Welker.

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    President Zelensky should send Krasnov the heavily redacted version of Ukraine’s defense program. The people with common sense already know the orange turd will send the classified documents straight to fucking Moscow.

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    Did we really expect anything else from the guy who wanted to swap out a 4 star general for a TV host as their minister of defence? Seems to be par for the course.

    Meanwhile, everyone else is looking at Ukraine, taking notes every single day. We now know what the war of tomorrow will look like. That is a rare opportunity. Completely wasted on Americans that think brute force is always the answer.

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      Not just looking and taking notes; being actively trained by Ukraine. They didn’t just make this offer to their allies yesterday. Every other nation that’s been rendering assistance to Ukraine has been actively receiving training in drone warfare from them in return for a while now. The US refused because they were too arrogant to think Ukraine had anything to teach them. And then they started a war with a nation that’s leading the way in cheap combat drones. Drones that Ukraine already knows how to counter.

      And people have died for that arrogance.

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        I honestly hope Iran manages to ruin a carrier. Not necessary sink it, as too many would die, but just enough damage to have it out of commission for the next 2.5 years.

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        I know mate, we’ve had Ukrainians here in Sweden sharing their experience of what does and doesn’t work.

        As for Iran. That’s just a whole new level of incompetence. Setting aside Israel attacking water desalination plants, which should be an obvious warcrime. The fact they just started bombing without a plan is mind blowing. Like you said, against a country that have been making the exact drones Ukraine have experience in intercepting. And trump is too proud. Pure hubris

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    Why would a Russian asset successfully weakening our ties with other countries, destroying our economy, and exposing our troops to unnecessary harm… want something that works?

    He and his maggot faithful are speed running losing as if it were their explicit purpose.

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    “Personal grudge”? Trump is a Russian asset. He doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine.

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    This makes complete sense to me. If you think you are the most powerful man in the world, controlling the worlds biggest military, then an offer to help from a much smaller country who has been asking for your help for years, is going to be seen as an insult. It’s basically just his fragile ego, refusing to admit that the country with the most modern combat experience against IRANIAN drones is going to be of any help.

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      Meanwhile all of Ukraine’s real allies took them up on this offer ages ago. I know for a fact that they’ve been training Canadians on anti-drone warfare pretty much since the war started. Ukraine has asked nothing in return for this, it’s just the kind of thing you do for your allies when you understand alliances as bonds of solidarity that benefit both parties, and not something to be exploited.

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      At the same time, he’s demanding “allies” commit ships to his stupid war.

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        Those “allies” should tell him that Ukrainian antidrone defenses would be of more help than their ships. And then commit more to the defense of Ukraine, because that’s a far more important matter than bailing Trump out of his self-chosen disaster.

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    That relationship exploded early last year, when the president and Vice President JD Vance appeared to engineer a confrontation with the Ukrainian leader at the White House. The two blamed him for gambling with “World War Three” as the conversation devolved into a shouting match in front of the cameras that stunned reporters in the room.

    https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-meeting-zelensky-ukraine-vance-b2706864.html

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    Trump treated Zelensky like a wet rag when he invited him to the whitehouse and Zelensky still willing to offer his first hand knowledge and experience of drone warfare.

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      That’s what being in a fucking pickle means.

      I mean, I’d do the same…

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      Drone warfare? You mean, the kind of warfare “defeated” Iran is using to totally shut down the Strait of Hormuz and which will crush the entire world’s economy in the next few months? That kind of warfare?

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      That’s what being the bigger man truly means. In more ways that one.

      Zelensky is the bigger man in this case. Again, in more ways than one.

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      It’s really telling how everyone went from “this is an illegal war and it needs to end” to “zelenski is so based for wanting to help America with with the war”

      This obsession American liberals have with zelenski where he seemingly can’t do wrong is so weird. He does a lot wrong, this is one the wrongs. He’s offering to help extend the war and make it significantly more deadly.

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      Buy he want wearing a suit. Difmt you know the suit is the only thing keeping you from looking like a gross pedophile blob?

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        No, they’ve been actively making this offer to all their allies for a while now. This isn’t recent. Everyone else took them up on it. Not a quid pro quo so much as just being a good friend to their good friends. The US could have been working with them on this for over a year IIRC, but they were too damn proud to accept any help from anyone else.

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          Most of the NATO countries training Ukrainians have been doing this since Day 1 (Mostly UK, Germany and Spain afaik). It’s one of the main reasons to offer continuous training at local bases rather than ‘just’ sending officers to Ukraine.

          This is the first conflict between two modern militaries since the Falklands. And that wasn’t broadly applicable for many many reasons. From a pragmatic point of view, militaries have been absolutely desperate to ingest lessons learned from the moment we started sending our materiel.

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        Obviously. It’s also meant as a “thank you for the support US have given Ukraine, allow us to share what we’ve learned in our drone warfare.”

        But Trumps pride cannot handle that Zelensky might have something to teach the US when it comes to warfare.

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        Well, also, strategically any pain for Iran is good for Ukraine, since Iran supplies Russia.

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    Unbelievable…Trump’s would rather save his ego than let Ukraine help save American lives.

    My brother in-law actually has a diagnosed personality disorder and the way Trump behaves, especially while under duress, is identical to how my brother in-law would react.

    If Trump indeed suffers from a personality disorder, which I am convinced is the case, then he is literally incapable of backing down.

    This is an absolute nightmare scenario for the US. Trump won’t stop until he is forced to stop. We will see Trump make even more crucial mistakes and see him try and escalate this as far as he possible can.

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      There is a phenomenon called “self handicapping”. And everyone does it a little at least a few times but it’s typically a behavior that’s considered poor.

      Here is an example of how it works.

      Let’s say you have a big exam tomorrow. And you fucked around , didn’t study. You knew about it weeks ago. You know you are going to fail it. But. Instead of spending that last evening cramming as much as possible to make up for procrastinating to maybe have a small chance of passing it, you decide to go to a bar and get shit faced.

      The next day you don’t even show up to class.

      You blame failing the class on the alcohol. Instead of your inability to prioritize your education or your own intelligence.

      It was the alcohol. Not your own ability to pass. You probably would have aced it actually. If you hadn’t been hungover.

      So this is a way to save face and preserve a sense of self superiority.

      People who are narcissistic do this almost constantly. They never fail. No , not them. It’s always some external cause that their plans didn’t work.

      They intentionally set up multiple barriers so that they can always fall back on those.

      Trump does the same,

      For instance. Tarriffs. He can claim he has a plan to fix the economy with tarriffs but Congress won’t let him. So we won’t ever know how great of a plan it was. It totally would have worked. It just needed a little more time.

      But. often the obstacle isn’t doing its job.

      Example. Trump starts war. It’s going badly. He won’t pull out until Congress forces him. Then he can say "we were winning. My plan was great they just wouldn’t let me see it through.

      He wants Congress to stop it. He has wanted Congress and the supreme Court to stop most of the b.s. So he can claim they were good plans but someone else fucked it up.

      He did this all through his first term too. It’s how people like him function.

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      He recently stated that he wants to bomb Khark Island “Just for fun.”

      While this is a bald-faced lie to cover up for the fact that their earlier strikes weren’t as successful as claimed, just think about what kind of lie he was willing to tell; to him, the idea of putting Americans in harm’s way “just for fun” seems completely reasonable.

      He literally does not care about the lives of the people who swore an oath to serve, to the point where he cannot even conceive of the notion that anyone else would.

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      In Trump’s case, he might just be a spoiled brat, honestly. Or it could be a disorder.

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      Is it still considered a disorder when it is someone’s whole personality? If you removed the perpetual rage, the extreme narcissism and the bullying I think you would only find an orange stain on the floor where Trump was.

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        Personality disorders are controversial in psychology. But yes they are considered legitimate.

        Patterns of specific maladaptive traits and behaviors that are consistent across the lifespan.

        Personality disorder types are specific clusters of symptoms/traits/behaviors.

        I’m personally on the fence if personalities can be categorized very much. People are very unique in their traits and levels of traits.

        Except for people with high narcissism and dark triad traits (anti-social traits like manipulation , lack of empathy, vindictiveness, impulsivity).

        These are just ruthless egotistical people who all behave the same. Just incredibly selfish and cruel.

        Estimated to be ~5% of them in the general population with some professions having very high instances. Like lawyers and CEOs.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

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      Someone like Trump would rather launch all the nukes in the world and force everyone else to do the same than even give a politician’s back down (I.E. what Ronald Reagan did after the barracks bombing in Lebanon in 1982).

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    Why would Zelensky even bother?
    Its clear Tramp is no ally.

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      But Iran is a Russian supplier, so strategically, the more US can burn through Iran military capability, the less they have to give to Russia.

      Also, the longer the strait is blocked, the better Russia can do in the fossil fuel export situation. So Iran suffering military losses and the strait being open as soon as possible are also strategic imperatives for Ukraine.

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      No point reasoning with trump, no point pushing him away.

      He is doing the smart thing - milking trump of every last drop of military aid that he can get.

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      At this point I think Zelensky just is doing whatever he thinks he can to try to stop any changes of the US changing sides and teaming with Russia

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        stop any changes of the US changing sides and teaming with Russia

        Too late.

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    Ukraine is winning because they found cheaper drone defenses than drones…

    Were burning thru our sophisticated interceptors because we’re wasting them on drones 1/100th the prices.

    Iran just has to keep pumping out the same drones they’ve been sending to Russia.

    Like, Ukraine is literally the one government that knows how to win this kind of war.

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      The only person who knows how to do anything on the US is Donald Trump, if anyone knows more than him they will be demoted, fired or abducted by ICE.

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      Haaaaaaang on.

      Are you saykng that Iran has been supplying Russia with drones, and now they’ll be keeping them to use against the USA, for the explicit purpose of being destroyed?

      So, wouldn’t this mean Russia loses their supply? So wouldn’t that mean it’s actually in Zelenskyys best interest to NOT help the USA?

      If USA ends their war quickly, Iran starts supplying Russia again with drones. But until that happens, wouldn’t Ukraine have an easier time in their own war?

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        Russia is getting a huge advantage from the Iran-US war. Trump, as a Russian asset, had the excuse he needed to lift sanctions on Russian oil.

        Ukraine needs to cut off Russian oil, which means stopping the Iran threat.

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        The USA is rapidly burning through munitions that Ukraine desperately needs. I suspect the loss of those anti air weapons etc is much worse for Ukraine than the small reduction in drones launched at them.

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          I honestly hadn’t realised munitions were so difficult to produce. Everyone concerned about burning through stockpiles. I guess in non-war times you don’t need the capability to produce a lot in a short time.

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            That’s exactly it, yes. Modern armaments production is geared around low intensity conflicts and maintaining existing stockpiles. It’s not set up for full militarization. That’s a good thing in a lot of ways; economies geared for war end up needing war. But it means that even a nation like the US can only sustain a high intensity conflict for so long.

            Iran is particularly taxing because they’re focused heavily on the use of cheap drone munitions, which the US just does not have a cost effective way of intercepting. US air defense is still designed around shooting down expensive planes and missiles. Patriot is an incredible air defense system, but it’s ungodly expensive. The whole system costs over a billion dollars, and the missiles are 4 million each. If one of those missiles shoots down a $50 million Mig-29, that’s a really good deal. A $20,000 shahed drone… Not so much.

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        If USA ends their war quickly

        The only way the US ends this war quickly is by retreating. Drones or not it’s a quagmire.

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          War agsinst a non-nuclear state onlu needs 2 things to be quick.

          1. A shitload of nukes

          2. Someone in charge of those nukes who has no morals or empathy.

          At this point, the only thing making the war take more than a day, is the fact that somehow trump thought better of dropping 4,000 nukes spread out over the entirety of Iran. They’d probably call it something like “Operation Scorched Earth”.

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                Nope but China, Israel, Russia, India and Pakistan all do and its probably unclear who the US would be launching at when they’re all headed towards Iran. Lots of itchy trigger fingers around.

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                  Israel is the only country even marginally close enough to be mistaken for the target.

                  And they would know we’re not going to fire upon them. We’re apperently sucking their dick politically.

                  None of that would make sense for any of those countries to think it’s aimed at them.

                  Let me put it in baseball terms. You’re looking at an infield pop fly, and worried that the outfielders might catch it. Or in the case of Russia, a fan in the upper bowl of the bleachers. The trajectory doesn’t line up for that to make sense.

                  MAYBE Israel, but again, they know they’re safe from us.

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        Yes, Russia will lose a part of their supply.

        They will also gain a lot of money they can use to buy things from other places.

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        This was my first take too, but I think that was mostly true in the first years when the rot in the russian military was more prevalent. They have been steadily cleaning up and ramping up production across their MIC and they also have local Shahed production now set up by Iranian engineers afaik.

        That means that the main limits on Russias ability to get drones is now primarily financial, rather than production volume. So while they lost some of their effective production, they have made so much money out of this, that even if it ends today, their biggest challenge, their economy, is hugely improved. If it continues, they will be able to afford even more production.

        With the effectiveness of the Shaheds, I wouldn’t be surprised if China is also pumping them out and Russia can buy them there. If NATO dumped a bunch of money into reverse engineering and setting up production, Iranian allies sure as hell should have.

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        “Serious trouble” is holding the world’s supposed second most powerful military to a gain of only 0.8% of Ukraine’s territory after the initial invasion?

        “Serious trouble” is a 27:1 casualty ratio in Ukraine’s favor, with over 1.2 million dead or wounded on Russia’s side?

        If you believe that, I’ve got a bridge over the Volga to sell you.

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        Russia uses Iranian drones…

        The price just skyrocketed and supply might go to zero if Iran uses all they can make

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          Russia uses Iranian design, but produce locally. Some reports that Russia is now providing Iran with Iranian type drones build in Russia.

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        For a relatively small nation like Ukraine, still standing against the full might of Russian agression after four years, is winning it.

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        You’re probably the type of person to think the south was winning the civil war, until they didn’t.

        Russia’s long term strategy ends in failure. Every week that Ukraine still exists, they are one step closer to losing.

        Russia’s equipment is finite, Ukraine’s is not.

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            Supply lines and logistics.

            Ukraine’s military equipment is a mix of NATO surplus gear (ample supplies of such gear in most NATO countries, or found on the global markets), homegrown drones/missiles (can be replaced), and various other equipment for sale in the western MIC.

            Russia’s primary equipment is gear that was made in Russia or in former Eastern Bloc countries like Ukraine. Russia’s equipment being finite comes from two things; they are burning through their vast Soviet surplus at a rate that is not sustainable, and their domestic and their domestic production of equipment cannot backfill those losses of the more modern equipment.

            A bunch of the lynchpin systems Russia relies on cannot even be manufactured anymore, so when radar systems are destroyed, the replacement of such equipment cannot be easily done.

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                For now they’re essentially off the table. They seem to be supplying equipment and components not actual military weapons systems like AAA or APVs or things like that.

                This absolutely can change in the future, but it’s China’s benefit to have a weaker Russia. So, they are making money but not directly helping Russia win. If that makes sense. At least that’s what it looks like from my limited perspective.

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          !Remind me in 1 year I take no satisfaction in saying Ukraine is losing and will lose this war. Ukraine would not be in the negative position they in without the united states and in addition taking Boris Johnsons advice and turning down the Istanbul accords. Ukraine is an extremely precarious position and with the coming spring offensive i fear for them.