Yeah but then you’ll have a green bubble
It’s amazing how apple managed to get Americans took care about that. Meanwhile no one else cares. No one uses iMessage in Europe or Asia.
Nobody over the age of 12 cares in the US either
Maybe in your bubble.
Imagine caring about what people think when they’re obsessed with what software you use to text. I’m just fucking annoyed so much of my family uses iphone, and despite being able to be part of their group chat, there’s no way to use RCS or some other message format better than fucking SMS/MMS.
Get a better bubble then
In fact, if they have the know-how, they should switch to something else. Android nowadays isn’t much different from iOS, and I’m pretty sure that what was included in iOS will eventually land on Android too.
How does this age verification shit even works? Do you just tick how old you are and that’s that and is then used as parental control setting globally or you need to send your ID to some bullshit data mining company that got hacked 3 times already in last year? I don’t understand this whole thing.
On iOS, it uses your linked credit card to verify you’re over 18, and then passes a “this user is over 18” flag to any app or website that needs it. It’s arguably the least intrusive or insecure way to handle this push from the EU.
iPhone users 🚶♂️➡️ switching to android
Android users 🚶♂️switching to iPhone
Android users 🚶♂️switching to
iPhoneGrapheneOSSwitching to iPhone would just be objectively worse in literally every way
I switched to iPhone after being on android since kitkat. Worst decision I made. Basic functions of the device don’t work/crash out. There’s seemingly no global ‘back’. Each app can dictate how back works. So I’ve found myself having to remember which apps use the swipe back feature and which don’t. They brought in the ai autocorrect stuff which completely changes words that I type. The glass ui stuff is horrific. Some text is unreadable due to the transparency effect.
Just terrible times all around. Looking to go to Graphene on my previous pixel phone next…
I had to spend a lot of time interacting with someone else’s iPhone recently while traveling, and the experience was shocking. Can’t believe how bad Apple has gotten.
They always have been this bad, if anything they’ve gotten (slightly) better over the years.
I’ve never had an iPhone, but I had a gen 2 or maybe gen 3 iPod touch way back in the day. I definitely jailbroke mine, so maybe that has skewed my memory of its usability, but it was not bad like trying to use an iPhone today.
Yeah, jailbreak doesn’t count.
You picked a bad time to switch. Arguably this is there worst version ever.
I don’t think you understand what objectively means.
No, I do, and I’m objectively correct in my use of it.
Terrible bait
I call bullshit. Apple fans happily take anything Apple pushes down their throats. Even a $999 monitor stand or a $40 microfiber cloth.
I subscribe to TWiT cause I grew up on The Screen Savers and Call for Help and regardless of what people think of him I still like Leo Laporte, the guy is my childhood. Anywho I listen to all their podcasts and I’ll sometimes listen to their weekly Mac one and it is absolutely insane the cult like behavior with these mac fans on this show. Oh they’ll complain about the monitors and everything else but will still continue to defend it all by the end. There is one woman on the show that just rants and raves constantly about the dumb decisions Apple makes but openly admits that she’ll continue to buy their products.
At least on the Windows podcast the one dude will go ham on Microsoft weekly and I feel is pretty much just on the podcast to make fun of them. Then you have the Linux podcast where those guys just make fun of everything and it’s honestly entertaining. Plus they have one guy who is in his 80s on there who is an absolute gem.
And a $150 !! or $230 !!! sock
Best cumsock I’ve ever used
Career haters just love to shit on anyone who has a preference, and thinks they can boil down an entire group of population with a single pithy comment
You sound like a career hater. We did this ad nauseum in 2007, grow up it’s embarrassing for you
@lIlIlIlIlIlIl you sound like someone worth #blocking
Because he has his own opinions and doesn’t jump into the anti apple hivemind?
Please block me too :)
Why do you even announce it? Just block and move on, no one cares
You sound like
Ah yes, the amazing argument any pseudoscientist uses to prove their wild assumptions and prejudices. The well known “looks like” argument.
I have a very nuanced opinion about Apple and it’s users. I’m just talking about the insane Apple fanbase who, while being ass-raped by Apple, continue to defend the company and buy their products. There are few companies with such a die-hard fanbase. I’m not claiming all Apple users are Apple groupies. I’m just aiming at the people who buy a monitor stand for $999 or a $0.02 microfiber cloth sold for $40 which a normal person wouldn’t do.
I’m not claiming all Apple users are Apple groupies.
Oh ok cool so you’re just delusional from comment to comment?
Get help, hate ages you real fast. You’re way too upset over this
you’re just delusional from comment to comment?
What xD
Get help, hate ages you real fast. You’re way too upset over this
Right back at ya mate
Wow, I bet you’ve got that comment saved somewhere so you can copy/paste it at every opportunity.
Wow, I bet you’ve got that comment saved somewhere so you can copy/paste it at every opportunity.
Lifestyle brands, amiright 🤷♂️
Yes every single iPhone owner also bought those 🙄
They also bought insanely expensive airpods because their phone didn’t have a jack plug anymore, so now they have fancy wireless airpods but to make sure they don’t lose them they buy Apple airpod wires for $45. You just can’t make this shit up.
Not every iPhone owner is an apple fan. I’m just aiming at the die hard Apple groupies.
Does your current phone have a headphone jack?
Yes it does.
Obviously you do whatever your preference is. But I’ve dusted off my old iPod and have been listening to music with good wired over ear headphones. I’d forgotten just how annoying having wires were when doing anything other than laying on a bed listening to music; gets caught on everything.
What I’m saying is I do not miss the headphone jack on phones literally one iota.
Wired headphones never run out of battery, wire can be tucked under clothes so won’t get cough on anything. Also won’t lose them as easy as tiny wireless pods.
Indeed it’s a preference, but by removing the jack plug it’s not. It’s forced down your throat whether you like it or not to spend loads more money on something which never was an issue, creating loads more issues. Like batteries. Next to that they can get empty, they get worse over time. Or you lose one pod. “Just buy new ones!” It’s all focused on make the consumer consume more, hoarding in exponentially more money and producing more waste. While I’m still enjoying my €120 wired headphones for over 15 years now, with exceptionally good sound quality. Except for the wire which I replaced 2 years ago, it’s still as good as new. The jack plug of my previous phone worn out, but I could easily replace that myself. Costs? $2 plug, $10 mini screwdriver set (which is amazing and I use very often) on aliexpress. Want to replace airpod batteries? Can’t, need to buy new ones.
I still have my old ipod 60GB, the first one with color screen. You know, when they forced the U2 album down your throat. It still works, so does it’s original charging cable and wired earpods. It’s over 20 years old. The charging cable which came with my iPhone 4 lasted for 4 months. The phone itself was functionally dead with an OS update. I’m never buying apple products ever again (same as Samsung, they went the same evil Corp road). Apple doesn’t want you to buy quality, they want you to buy quantity. Don’t fall for their scams claiming the non-existing problem they solved will improve your life.
I can still connect my old ipod and my current phone, to my audiophile 25 year old stereo through a tulp-jack cable. Or to any stereo with that cable at all my friends, in any older car with an aux plug or my boombox in the park.
There’s nothing stopping you from continuing to use wired headphones with devices without 3.5mm jack. In fact, I often do when listening to music critically.
The official Apple 3.5mm-to-USBC plug, at $9, is apparently a very very good DAC for the price, but I find it a bit too flimsy for my taste.
You just made a lot of that up.
What, did I made up? That there are no more jack plugs in iPhones? Or that you can buy straps for airpods? Or that airpods are expensive?
Folks, this is coming from your government. The phone makers want nothing to do with it and are actively fighting it in court as best they can. Switching between phone makers will not help, and is not the right place to put your energy. Address your concerns to your governments.
The phone makers want your data just as much as the government does. Data is money and power.
They have other ways of determining your age without requiring an extremely unpopular ID check.
Some are accepting having a credit card in Wallet as proof of age, as well as simply having an old enough Apple account
My Apple account is only like a decade old but if YouTube asks me for age verification I’m gonna be writing them a sternly worded letter because my account is old enough to buy alcohol in my country
Before wasting your time with a letter that will go straight into the rubbish, spend a little time seeing if anyone has created a work around, Hopefully Revanced or YTLitePlus can patch the age verification out.
I don’t think there is any way to actually functionally verify age without either an ID check, or a check that ultimately traces back to an ID check from some entity further up the chain. Any successful age check will either dox your identity to the checker, or it can be trivially bypassed.
You’re forgetting that they don’t NEED to know precise age unless they’re doing it for a government mandated age check.
For marketing purposes, which is what they REALLY want your data for, they have a profile of you that’s accurate enough even if your age is off by 5 years.
The capitalist part that wants money can build an accurate enough profile with just statistical correlations, but the fascist aspect isn’t doing it “for the children” or even just money, it’s doing it to completely dismantle all digital privacy, so they can know what everyone is saying and doing online at all times.
But the fascist aspect isn’t doing it “for the children” or even just money, it’s doing it to completely dismantle all digital privacy, so they can know what everyone is saying and doing online at all times.
Yes, that’s the government mandated age check requirements and anti-encryption legislation. Of course many of the people lobbying for these things are rich capitalists, but not exclusively - there are also religious nutcases and overall just people who enjoy having control over others. As far as megacorporations are concerned, they really just want all of your money and if they make you jump through hoops (age verification), you’re actually less likely to give them your money.
As far as megacorporations are concerned, they really just want all of your money
Maybe awhile back, but at this point they are kind of melding with the fascists. Social media, mainstream news, financial architecture, and communication networks controlled by corporations are definitely being backed by increasingly fascist organizations which definitely value total control over everything else.
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The phone makers want nothing to do with it and are actively fighting it in court as best they can.
Doubt. This way they have excuses to farm user data.
It was this coalition of big tech companies that blocked Texas SB2420 from going into effect on Jan 1 of this year.
Believe me my dude if they wanted your birthdate they would have gotten it before. Or more likely they already have it without this.
I’m dabbling switching to GrapheneOS. Apple was the lesser of (obvious) evils compared to Google, but that’s becoming less true daily.
I don’t think I can make it my primary device yet, still need to de-cloud a bunch of services, but it’s very likely my next device won’t be an iPhone.
That’s my next move. I’m done with the mobile OS duopoly bullshit.
I’m also starting to self-host a lot of services.
its nice out here! waters fine
The problem is graphene is entirely dependent on one arm of that duopoly though.
Buy used. Google meets their security standards.
Or just wait for the Motorolas with preinstalled Graphene. We’re unsure of when they’re coming though.
I’m running GrapheneOS since about 2 years now and I’m more than happy.
Didn’t had any real issues with it.
Art the start Android Auto didn’t work, but it does now - although I don’t really use it.I have Google play service stuff installed, but sandboxed.
And my banking apps work just fine.Friend of mine made the switch a few months ago and haven’t heard of any complaints either.
Can highly recommend it :-)
I’d use Android Auto + Sandboxed Google Play more if Android Auto allowed NewPipe, OsmAnd and other FOSS apps to be added to the dashboard.
Have you tried going to developer options and allowing unknown sources? That’s how I get metrolist and other apps in Android Auto
I somehow also get a lower resolution Google maps, when using Google Auto.
That was the reason I don’t really use it.For music and stuff, I just use Bluetooth
But good luck having Google add something as NewPipe to be allowed with Android Auto ;-)
There is actually a working YouTube client for android auto, but you have to “sideload” it
That whole site just screams scam
I’m mainly waiting for them to add banking apps. My bank is a small local credit union so it might be a while.
I’m using my banking apps (business and private) without issues
It’s not about GrapheneOS adding those apps, it’s about the bank allowing their apps to run on that Android device/version.
(Or someone correct me here, but that also makes more sense to me, than a whitelist on GrapheneOS side)
What about hotel keycard apps?
We use them when traveling because SO hates talking to people,lol. Or when its 3 am.
I have never used those - didn’t even know those exist
Usually I need the key card anyway to active the power in the room… Which sucks
So, can’t say anything about that, but it’s just usual Android, so I don’t see much issues here.
Banking apps are usually just more strict with which system they support, so that was my primary worryEdit: but as I don’t really know about those hotel keys apps, does this mean I have to install an app per hotel (chain), which probably tries to grab some personal data again, or is this just some key, I can use in some FOSS app?
Great for shy people ha,
Thats crazy ive never been in a hotel with no power until you swipe.
At least in Europe, there is often a slot in which you need to put in the key card the hotel provided (or often any card, because it’s just a switch and doesn’t check the card), so you don’t waste energy, while you’re not in the room
Said slot for the card is just at the wall after you open the door. So you usually have power, before you’re even really inside, because you just reach in and out the card in place.
It’s a bit annoying, but that’s pretty much it.As the room should be empty, when there is no card in the slot, I’m not sure how that makes it worse for shy people though o:-)
Needing to install an app and trusting my phone to be charged and functioning, when I want to enter my room, seems much more stressful for me ;-)
My current phone is old and just recently my bank app stopped working because the phones android version is too far behind. Is there any way to load Graphene OS on an android phone, and would it maybe help me get around having to use the website for my banking now?
If it’s not a Pixel, it’s currently not possible. If you don’t need the security features of GrapheneOS, you could look into LineageOS on a wider range of supported devices.
Currently GrapheneOS is only supporting Pixel phones - and not sure about the oldest ones, that get supported
But here is their FAQ with the current list of supported devices:
https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices
It a process. You can decloud while on the new device and the benefits will just increase with you progress.
In the UK
Yeah, it’s not about switching to Android, it’s about switching to the EU.
Jeez, every platform and company is going to that ID and face recognition crap. Should we say goodbye to our little bit of privacy and anonymity on the Internet?
Why’s Apple even doing this? They’re not a social media platform to begin with.
Facebook had lobbied so that the age verification is handled by the device rather than the application. The applications then need to check against this device API and conform accordingly.
This ends up cheaper for Facebook and opens up for future legislation to embed similar shit in the OS for companies to exploit.
Go then. There are other worlds than these… (that’s from the Dark Tower books by Stephen King).
Honestly… I have both. I have a 2024 iPhone Pro Max (16) and a 2019 Galaxy S (10). The iPhone is my main device. The Android phone is WiFi only, but if I have WiFi, I’d rather browse Lemmy on that, because iOS has this controversial feature where it will change what you type after you’ve typed it. So you’re constantly proofreading. Android doesn’t do that shit, or at least Samsung’s fork doesn’t do it. There are a few things I like about Android. My Android phone is basically a NookPhone — the phone you get in Animal Crossing. The case, the background, the icons… of course they’re just icons for actual apps. I don’t have the NookPhone apps. “Pro Camera” just opens the Samsung camera. “Passport” just opens my Animal Crossing item tracker. “Chat” just opens Telegram, which I just use for cross-platform media-rich chat with my wife. You can’t do that with iPhone — certainly not the 3x3 app grid the NookPhone has.
And there are a couple things iOS does better. Apple Health doesn’t sell your data. A couple years ago, my wife’s Galaxy phone told her she’d have to agree to let Samsung sell her health data, or she’d have to delete it and opt out of the app. No one’s been able to point us to a health data tracking app that is free, private, and good on Android. Everyone agrees (or refuses to speak up and disagree) that Apple Health is the de facto winner here. So it’s worth having an iPhone for that, at the least. Plus, AirPods are at least marginally better than the Android equivalents.
So yeah… at some point, I’m gonna upgrade the Android phone. Might even switch to Android, as in, move my cell service from the iPhone to the Android phone. And still keep the iPhone for health tracking, music, and whatever else I want it for. At least until the Mac can do all that stuff. As of now, it actually can’t. Music yes, health no. As I am also a Mac user. I would have no problem going Mac + Android, if my Mac did Apple Health (as opposed to just mirroring the notifications). I tried to make a Shortcut where my Mac could log Health data. It wouldn’t even log the data and pass it to the iPhone over iCloud. It straight up said “no” to that. So the iPhone has me for Health data.
But I’m not gonna sit there and pretend Apple gives a shit if I buy an Android phone. That’s just stupid. And Google gives less of a shit if you buy an iPhone, because they figure chances are good you’ll just put Chrome and other Google apps on it and hand them your data that way. No, I buy what I want because it’s the best for me and what I’m doing. IDGAF what the corpos think about it.
Gotta love a Dark Tower reference. Love that series.
Apple isn’t an advertising company so it feels like they’d be more up to not selling your data and such. But honestly I don’t really trust it.
I went from Android to iOS purely because I was sick of devices being supported for a year or two, when Apple supports their phones with mainline updates for six+. I feel like the overall user experience is better, it’s smoother, more polished, and I can do what I need to do rather than struggle with something half-baked.
My work phone is a Pixel 6, and I absolutely hate using it. Google hasn’t worked on the user experience even a little.
Would still rather a janky Linux phone that I actually own than anything else.
What I do trust is the outcome of government requests. When they have the legal authority to force apple to hand over everything and they don’t have anything to hand over thats just about the only way you can trust someone.
Apple is an advertising company.
Open the App Store, news, stocks, or maps. News and Stocks have the scammiest ads you’ve ever seen.
I prefer iOS to Android, but I do like that on graphene vpns and such actually work with granular controls. I agree, I want to try a Linux phone at this point.
I don’t see ads in any of those applications.
Apple doesn’t really promise device update time frames. They basically support a device as long as it’s feasible because they are still, at their core, a computer company, though they are more focused on the iPhone and related accessories than the Mac lately. They are transitioning to a services company. But still, updates are based on what they conservatively think the device can handle. Even phones that aren’t getting the latest iOS still get security updates. iOS 18 and older versions are still getting updated, but they get no new features.
With Android, it’s more about getting people to buy new phones, which isn’t a dumb idea from a business perspective. Back when US carriers were giving phones away a lot more (like 15 years ago), it was actually a game to piss off customers so they go and buy a phone from a competitor sooner. They all benefited from churn. These days, Google and Samsung are offering 5+ years of promised updates, but they don’t support them beyond that, because a customer who won’t upgrade has no value to them.
iOS is a bit more polished than Apple, though that’s largely down to the developer. It’s easier to support iPhones because there are fewer of them. But plenty of apps are just fine on Android.
Agree with you about a janky Linux phone. I kinda want it to be janky! I miss when phones were kinda rough and you had to know how they worked. I loved messing with custom firmware around 2012-ish. Android Jellybean was awesome for tinkering.
iOS has this controversial feature where it will change what you type after you’ve typed it. So you’re constantly proofreading.
You can disable auto-correction: Settings > General > Keyboard > Auto-Correction
I agree this is annoying and this is enabled by default.
Disabled on mine. It still changes what I put. Apparently “and” is a bad word now. I can get it capitalised, I can get sand, I can get Andy, but “and” in lowercase, Apple says no-can-do. (Typing on my Mac now, on a mechanical keyboard. Odd that the Mac doesn’t have this problem. Probably because it has an actual keyboard. Mac does have predictive text, which is kind of annoying… I see the appeal, but I’m never gonna reach over and strike Tab to complete a sentence or word.
What are you on about? Autocorrect can be annoying, and typing on the iPhone has gotten shitty over the years, but “and” is easily typed with or without autocorrect on. And and and and and.
Typed on iPhone.
Well, if you can get mine to let me type it, that would be helpful. Anecdotes are interesting, but they don’t help.
Anecdotes are interesting, but they don’t help.
Indeed.
Yeah, I mean I figured you weren’t trying to help, you didn’t really need to confirm it.
The question is, is this you at your best, or are you just having a bad day?
I always assumed that they were collecting that data from your contacts list already. I’d like to know how many people are actually affected by this or needed to “verify” their age after updating to 26.4
Also, switching to Android isn’t going to help with this.
With closed source tech getting worse, the masses will move away from it towards good willed opensource tech. Its inevitable.
except that they don’t even know about the existence of the open tech, and that they are too complicaaaateeeed
Hopping from one proprietary platform to the next is like shopping arround for a kinder slaver who doesn’t beat you as much. We can do so much better.
Promote the platforms that respect your rights and freedoms.
Apple and Google are financially wired to squueze you for all you’re worth. You are the product. You are the sheep that needs fleeced.
We need tech platforms and solutions that respect us and that are not incentivized to squueze max profit. We all know where the road to maxxing profits leads.
I’ve been windows-free for more than 5 years, and as soon as I can get a reasonable Motorola Graphene phone, I am out.
I have been deGoogled as much as I reasonably can, and if possible I want to stop rewarding scum companies altogether. I am ever looking for better options.
But they already switched to Android when Apple removed the headphone jack. Oh wait, that’s right - nobody did.
Won’t be any different. It’s just a matter of time before Android goes the same
GrapheneOS is Android and declines to introduce that
Not sure when you’ll be labelled a terrorist by using a privacy respecting OS though…
By the way our corporate dictatorships are speed-running totalitarianism, I’d say before the decade is done. I will choose to be an antifa terrorist before I accept fascism.
Buddy if I haven’t been labeled a terrorist yet after the things I’ve publicly said I am never gonna be labeled a terrorist.
You don’t know, in what list you maybe already show up
Just because police hasn’t knocked on your door, doesn’t mean, that in case all that shit will be held up against youWho knows, who is already monitored, because just of a drunken or honest comment, that icks someone the wrong way
Its so dumb because unless you specifically type /s you can never tell if someone is serious online. Literally all context gets lost on social media. We used to allow humans grace before mass surveillance came along.
Yep, “they” can just pull out a comment of context and put you into some kind of group
As you said, stupid it is
If they make their lists too broad however, the lists become useless and we can all hide in the noise.
Spanish police already profiles you for using grapheneOS
https://www.androidauthority.com/why-i-use-grapheneos-on-pixel-3575477/
Thanks for that input!
Just came back from a business trip in Spain.Maybe I missed it in the article, but do you know, how they do it?
I guess on the phone network level, my phone isn’t shouting “GrapheneOS here!!”.
So how do they profile me?
Only after they already control me somehow or…?Still, this is getting more and more Orwellian
Hopefully my Jolla will be to exotic in the first period, but on the long term, this all is a really worrying development with the aim of mass surveillance
They profile you by looking at you. Cop sees you use your grapheneOS phone and thinks you’re a drug dealer. There’s no tech involved. They just use it as a sign, same way they’ve used hoodies, skin colour, or nationality to suspect you of something.
How should that work?
My GrapheneOS Android doesn’t look any different than any other Android - and they’d need to look at my screen while walking by or something.They can’t even see the exact Android version without trying to access it - or having me show them explicitly my “About phone” screen or something
I really don’t see how that should work in practice
If they pick me out and want to scan my phone, then it could be used against me, that they can’t access my data.
But hey, that’s what GrapheneOS is here for, to don’t allow anyone access to my data, who shouldn’t have accessSo, in practice this is not really relevant or do I misunderstand something?
They’re profiling people carrying pixel devices, per the article.
Yeah I think it’s like “this guy that we suspect of being a drug dealer uses grapheneOS, which proves that he’s a drug dealer”.
Considering they are more or less attempting that reasoning in regards to VPN usage in the states I’d say maybe a few weeks?
How can they control that I’m accessing my own Wireguard or company VPN?
Or does this only affect commercial (or free) VPN services one could use?The technical illiteracy of politicians is still astounding to me
Right. Or site to site tunnels. Or client vpns for companies.
Some are uneducated, some are evil, either way we’re fucked lol
Mainstream Android will likely go the same path but there’ll also probably be 10s of workaround and forks straight up saying fuck you, bitch.
You won’t have any other option on iOS other that to take the boot up yo a.
And you’ll probably use the usual “most people won’t do that, tho”. These are kids we are talking about and have you ever told a determined kid that they couldn’t do something?
This kowtowing the corporations and governments is how we got here and fuck people who bend the knee before even trying.
GrapheneOS baby
Kicked my 15pro
